Suspension- No springs, Just Oil- Thoughts?

[71CutlassS]

Suspension- No springs, Just Oil

Wondering what everyones thought is on this. Been seeing a lot about droop systems and putting sharpie springs in the shock bodies and this and that, but wondering what people think about straight oil with no shocks what-so-ever. Read a couple things about it but really no "reviews" on it. I just tried it in my scorpion, and tried it out on the rocks outside my house and think its pretty cool so far. Used to be a basher nitro truck guy but converted to crawler, so not an expert on the subject by any means. Would like some input from more knowledgeable people.

Also, love the site. Great info, almost too much, figured it was worth the cost of a star.

 

[crawlin_incolorado83]

I think is a personal preference. Some guys think you will loose ground clearance. I however prefer droop sytle suspensions. Buddy has a nice 2.2 tuber with 70wt oil and ball point pen springs in the shocks. He doesnt like it, I do i feel it lowers the CG a little and to me feels more planted

 

[2JSC]

The only downside to no spring is that the shocks will still unload on steep climbs.

 

[RCMFMaxxMan]

sorry for being a deck but "shocks" are the body and shaft and piston whether they have springs or not.
and 2jsc has it. basically the only difference without the springs is that the shocks can unload due to gravity or torque alot more than if they had springs. this can cause higher gc on climbs and uncontrolled articulation. I tried it once but immediately put some rubber bands on it because it was so hard to control and still ride the obstacles. why do you not want to use springs?

 

[71CutlassS]

Not that Im against using springs. Just new to crawling and want to know what the good and bad is. Soon as I read the second post I understood why people use them. Ive been searching through threads before I posted to find answers on the subject but couldnt. Makes sense though.

 

[spicer3]

i have ben wondering i have taken the spring off my shock and because of the torque it gets bound up when crawling and solutions pic would be nice?

 

[2JSC]

i have ben wondering i have taken the spring off my shock and because of the torque it gets bound up when crawling and solutions pic would be nice?

Don't take your springs off, run a stiffer one in the rear. Do some more searching.

 

[TK-twister]

Running no springs cause some real torque twisting issues. When climbing your nose will want to unload and throw you back. Running internal spring on droop will help hold the shocks down or help hold your front down

 

[drilldeep]

i am running a similar setup...i have 70wt with stock valving and super soft springs in the rear with a calculated four link to eliminate torque twist; and in front i am running 100wt oil with the spacer in the shock and a fuel line spacer outside the shock, one valving hole sealed off to slow unloading on inclines...no springs. all four shocks are inverted meaning shafts up and bodies down. (you might even claim the inverted shocks lower cg due to oil and shock bodies being on bottom!) i feel ride height is perfect with the springs in the rear and flex is perfect and controlled. my lower links are inboard. the lack of springs does give you the "planted" feel.

 

[scatterbrains]

I have been running mine with stock shocks and valving and 1000wt diff fluid. So far i love it"thumbsup" dont really expirence much negative effects, although i havent comped it yet:| I do have to limit the articulation some but other than that i really like it.

 

[liketocrawl]

Is it recommended to still use outer springs with internals(droop)? Also when you decide on a internal spring rate do you match it with the outer springs or visa versa?

 

[Reflection]

The only downside to no spring is that the shocks will still unload on steep climbs.

Running no springs cause some real torque twisting issues. When climbing your nose will want to unload and throw you back. Running internal spring on droop will help hold the shocks down or help hold your front down

To a point.

The key is in the shocks valving and the oil weight. On my super last year,I ran no springs front or rear and 1000 weight diff oil. Worked VERY well with very little unloading at all. Not all shocks are valved the same,thats a common misconception that allot of guys don't take into consideration.

There really is allot more trial and error in setting up a good droop set up compared to a good sprung set up.

Is it recommended to still use outer springs with internals(droop)? Also when you decide on a internal spring rate do you match it with the outer springs or visa versa?

There are no external spring in a droop set up. Trial and error is the key. No two set ups are the same.....period.

 

[vipxj]

On my super,i run hardware internal springs in the front with 50wt oil and 150wt diff oil in rear with no springs ,works fine for me.Its all trial and error stuff,to find what suits you.

 

[sourdojack]

On my 2.2 I'm running lengthened Revo shocks in droop. They have tiny holes in the valve plates and a large overall bore, so they work super slow to help with unloading. Im even using 35 wt oil.

TOM

 

[Knoc]

Im running no springs, 100 wt. oil and glue one of the holes in the disc in the shock close (I forgot what its called.. sorry) and so far I like it alot. It doesnt lower the center alot though.

 

[JasonInAugusta]

To a point.

The key is in the shocks valving and the oil weight. On my super last year,I ran no springs front or rear and 1000 weight diff oil. Worked VERY well with very little unloading at all. Not all shocks are valved the same,thats a common misconception that allot of guys don't take into consideration.

There really is allot more trial and error in setting up a good droop set up compared to a good sprung set up.



There are no external spring in a droop set up. Trial and error is the key. No two set ups are the same.....period.

Exactly what he said.

I pulled a 13 on a course here in town were they guys were pointing out on the 4th gate with a droop rig running no springs.

It's all in the setup. This one is glued to the rocks.

 

[scatterbrains]

Yup agreed, goin to do some real tweaking this weekend with piston sizes and oils. So far i love the fluid droop setup"thumbsup"