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TCB's DD XR-10

The CrAwLL BLACK

Rock Crawler
Joined
Jan 5, 2009
Messages
501
Location
Christchurch, New Zealand
Hi everyone,

At our cANZ comp in March I made the debut of my first MOA rig. It's a bit of a change from the dual motor shaft driven rig I've been comping with for the last 3 or so years.

It was a well kept secret from pretty much everyone and has actually been a long time coming.

As soon as I saw Yoshi's DD Chassis I sent my paypal payment to him. I was in the first batch of sales in Sept last year :-o

Since then I have been stockpiling parts along with Splat, as we planned to build our rigs at the same time.

There have been a few hold ups along the way that delayed the build which was originally planned for completion in time for the cANZ Jan comp this year.
And as it was, I rushed to finish the build off the night before the comp. This resulted in some less that stellar results, but even so, it was still a huge step in the right direction.

Details:
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For the full document with clickable links:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AiXNa3TL9NSXdF92QVVESUx5ZkNxMDVRMW5jaE53WkE&output=html

On to the fun part:
Start receiving parcels....
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The first task was to visit my good friend Dan at Hulksta Engineering so he could work his magic:
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He got busy with his mill and cnc and busted out some fantastic results
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Then it was time for some wrenching:
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Added some brass inserts for a bit more security.
NOTE: I'm running front cases at both ends of the rig.
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I quickly made up some basic CF parts myself by just using the original parts as a template and busting out the dremel and sanding drum:
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TCB's Battery Mount
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NOTE: A lot of work for only a 1g saving over the Rowdy Racing mount. But CF is just cooler 8)

I also made a 3mm CF spacer to put under the VP front upper link mount on the axle. You can see it here on the right axle.
The Rear axle is on the left and the upper link mount is left standard.
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My CF fabrication just kept on going:
CF steering arms by TCB:
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CF steering arm by Hulksta Engineering:
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Then over to more traditional materials for my electronics tray:
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NOTE: The tray has actually been trimmed quite a bit so should be under 1g now. Not pretty, but functional. ;-)

Time for some electronics:
Dual Tekin FX-R's smashed and packaged nicely.
I was very surprised at how much weight was lost doing this smash :shock:
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Repackaged the CC BEC:
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NOTE: I removed the capacitor and the heatsink plate, and re-routed the wires out the same side

Then mounted it under the servo
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On the rear axle I shaved the shock mount so I could locate the shock further back. I use a longer screw on the lower link and put the shock on that.
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Then some more Hulksta Engineering magic 8)
Dan made me some sweet beefy Ti rear shafts to fit the front housing. You can see that they also space out the hex a tad more to give back a bit of width on the rear.
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Then, I gave Hulksta this:
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And he made me these:
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NOTE: My first attempt at glue on tires....and it shows :oops:

And then it was time for Hulksta to chop up, bend up, and thread up some Ti goodness.
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NOTE: Uppers are the 2nd attempt. First were too long and had both motors clocked too high.

Right now the rig is in pieces again as I am replacing some rod ends and tuning the shocks. Also, I'm adjusting the upper link lengths to get the motor clocking right.

As I reassemble I'll take more pictures during the process so you get an idea on the chassis assembly and the tweaks I'm making to it along the way.

In the meantime, here are the pictures of the truck as I ran it at the comp in March.
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Yup, that's 1671g (3lb 10oz) RTR :shock:
I ran it like that at the comp. Verts were just awesome, but my shock and geometry tuning was out for any off-camber stuff.


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Teflon skid

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I put a spring in the body to ensure it returned to centre


I must say a big thanks to the following people:
Dan at Hulksta Engineering.
Thanks mate, without your help I'd still be working on this thing.....and it wouldn't be anywhere near as cool as it is now.
Also a huge thanks must go to Dan's wife for not getting upset when I turn up at 10pm and stay until 1am working on things with Dan.

Nec,
Thanks for supplying me bits and pieces under the impression they were for Splat's XR-10. It was classic watching your reaction when I unveiled the rig at the comp and you had no idea it was coming....and then the realisation that the bits you had been dropping around to my place were for my rig and not Splats....
Sorry mate. But thanks for your help ;-)

IttyBitty on RCC,
Thanks for the tips on tuning the suspension and geometry on the DD. It has improved significantly since the first outing, and now with a bit more information will only get better.

Splat,
Thanks for coming around and wrenching on rigs together mate. Certainly made the time more enjoyable watching you muddle your way through this hands on mechanical stuff :lmao:

Cheers,
Mike
 
Already posted in cANZ mike but havent seen you in here in a while in your own thread. Im sure there some losi Die hards that will miss your losi developments.

Same as in cANZ, best of luck with the new build and look forward to some competitive runs.

Great to see you getting on board with the XR's :lmao:

Ill even say you have inspired me in a way with this build to try something different when i seen it at its first comp.

Ben
 
I'm working on a 2 front axle build. Thank you for posting this! Any help I can get! This rig looks great and good for you doing some of your own parts. I'll be watching for vids and best if luck with her!!
 
I like your idea of the spring holding down the body, still moves out of the way when needed and not as floppy. Yes? Very nice build thread!
 
Can't wait to see the retuned DD, going to do my best to get down to the next comp, mightn't have a rig together at that stage tho, see how we go


Sssshhhh
 
Your rigs lookin great TCB!

How did you get the heatsink off the CC BEC?

Just a little heat from a heat gun and it'll come right off. If you're careful you can pop it off with a knife or something similar...the heat just makes it easier.
 
Hi guys,

Thanks for the comments. This has been a fun rig to build, and the tuning tweaks that are being done now are certainly improving the capabilities of the rig. The real test will come in two weeks at our next comp.

I like your idea of the spring holding down the body, still moves out of the way when needed and not as floppy. Yes? Very nice build thread!

Yes, the spring does exactly as you mention and meant I could run a single nut to fasten the front. The spring centres the rear and seats it back down nicely after any movement.

How did you get the heatsink off the CC BEC?
As mentioned by Itty, a bit of heat and they come off nice and easy.

Really nice man! might have missed it, sorry if i did, whats the final weight on it rtr? I really like the cab on your chassis, the spring is ingenious!! and that milling looks great, really trimmed some fat in a nice way. whats the reasoning behind running front tubes in the rear?
For the first run, the RTR was 1671g. It is heavier now as I've made some changes including running knuckle weights. I'll update tonight with what's been done and current weight.
You run the front tubes on the rear for some extra clearance on the bottom. You dont have that large plastic area with the screw on the bottom that you do on the rear cases.
Also, it seems to help with the reliability of the rear end, the cases don't have as much open space as the rears, so stiffness appears to be better and helps keeps the gears all running nicely.


Your rigs lookin great TCB!
Thanks mate, and thanks again for your help.


Can't wait to see the retuned DD, going to do my best to get down to the next comp, mightn't have a rig together at that stage tho, see how we go
I'm looking forward to seeing what it can do at a comp too. Hopefully you can make it down.

I'll post up some updates later tonight when home from work. Had a little test time yesterday and it is driving very well at the moment.

Cheers,
Mike.
 
Hi everyone,

Latest updates:

As mentioned I pulled the rig down to go through some changes.

I went over the rig thoroughly and replaced any rod ends that were a bit loose, I had a few of them and it all compounded to a lot of movement that was not desired.
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I also replaced the lower link rod ends with JATO's and shaped the end for a smooth transition - no square edges.
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At the same time I shortened the rear upper links to clock the motor down some more.

Then it was time to re-assemble everything.
Lower deck and links taking shape:
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On with the upper deck:
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Next up was Shock tuning time:

Front Shocks have 12mm internal and 6mm external limiters.
Shock oil is actually 10K diff oil.
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Rear Shocks have 17mm external limiter.
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The Hulksta Shock Mods:
This mod has been around for some time, but Hulksta put me on to it and helped out with some machining.
Basically, we are adding a bladder to the shocks and providing an air breather hole for it.

Not a great picture, but you get the idea. Take one 3mm screw and gun-drill it :shock:
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Next make sure the Rod end has a breather hole as well:
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Pop your bladder in and assemble and bleed your shocks. Notice also in this pic the hole on the side of the cap which is used for bleeding:
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When I initially ran the rig at our comp I did it with an RTR weight of 1671. This was with NO knuckle weights.

I have now added on the weight holders and 5 half weights each side. I need to play around and do some testing with less weight, but so far it is going very well with all of the changes I've made. I'll drive it for a bit before making any more changes.

As it sits now:
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Cheers,
Mike
 
Some very quick testing tonight before it got dark....
And chasing after an under 3yo...
<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/63571444?title=0&byline=0&portrait=0" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/63571444">TCB's DD XR-10</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user3657255">Michael Blair</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
 
Managed to get some more testing in today.

We re-visited the last comp site and ran the PRO courses again.

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/63955198?title=0&byline=0&portrait=0" width="1280" height="720" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/63955198">The DD back at Freshwater</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user3657255">Michael Blair</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

The rig is handling SO much better. :)
 
Great information in this build. I have a question about the vent hole in the shock caps. What are the benefits in putting a vent hole in the shock caps? The way the vent hole is showed with the addition of the rod end is very smart.
Thanks,
 
Great information in this build. I have a question about the vent hole in the shock caps. What are the benefits in putting a vent hole in the shock caps? The way the vent hole is showed with the addition of the rod end is very smart.
Thanks,
It helps the bladder to work better.
Having the vent there allows air to move in and out of the shock chamber allowing the bladder to expand/compress as the shock piston moves through the oil.

Just makes a much smoother shock all the way through the travel.

Cheers,
Mike.
 
Hey team,

Had the cANZ NSW April comp yesterday and took a good win with this rig.

The DD is working very well now and I'm beginning to get comfortable with how it handles and what it is capable of.

I got a couple of videos of it running the courses so will edit and post it up later this week.

The courses were pretty technical and the DD handled it well.

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Cheers,
Mike
 
Let me just say I hate you and your Fabrication/building skills. Just kidding, but now my DD is going to look like a pile of donkey crap compared to yours. Amazing job and now I have a little more motivation to actually get mine finished up.
 
I'm glad you finally made the change to a MOA Mike :) finally giving me bit of competition eh! Going to be interesting to see how things pan out for the rest of the year now you got all my secret tuning mods hehe

BTW I've got a really cool XR10 feature I've been working on but I'm starting to think I should stop making... Don't want to give you the edge on beating me again eh ;)
 
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