The Class 1 discussion thread

[EvilTwin v2]

The biggest problem with this idea is that if you start doing it in the smaller clubs (say clubs with less than 20-30 people at every comp) than you will be too divided and there will be little to no competition in one of the two classes. This is an even worse thing for club growth.

Overall I think no matter what it is pretty much always going to end up the same way. People who aren't competitive are going to bitch about whatever the current situation is.

Compete to win, thats why it's a competition. Effort should be rewarded.

I disagree with you almost entirely.

Our club has done similiar, but not to the same extent as we still allow dig in our amateur class. We've just seperated into 2 classes; Amateur and Pro. Both classes run the same course, but with a handfull of gates throughout the course in which the amateurs and pros split up. Before this seperation, the less competitive and newer drivers were getting frustrated with the pro level courses. The way it is now, the pro drivers run the extremely difficult lines with less time and no 20 point carry rule, where the amateurs have a slightly easier yet still very challenging course, but have more time, and a 20 pt rule.

This has kept things more fun for the newer, less competitive and lower level drivers, while still allowing for a great challenge for our top level guys.

Just remember, everybody has to start somewhere. Many of this years amateurs will be next seasons pros. If we run people off when they're first starting with an elitest attitude, there will be nobody to continue this hobby.

 

[wrightcs77]

So, are some clubs considering doing a class 1 style? I see a couple of build threads popping up with this style of rig in mind.

 

[Reflection]

So, are some clubs considering doing a class 1 style? I see a couple of build threads popping up with this style of rig in mind.

Ain't heard much interest in our club,to much anticipation and thought going into a rock racing series.:mrgreen:

 

[666]

What happened here, I thought it was nostalgia class?

 

[BigSki]

So, are some clubs considering doing a class 1 style? I see a couple of build threads popping up with this style of rig in mind.

I'll post a pic of my 'sportsman' class rig tomorrow, that is what my RC club is calling the class. My rig is basically all left over parts on a stock AX-10 chassis. Its' performance continues to impress myself, along with most of my club members. I'm having more fun with a 'spare parts' rig than I have with my 'serious' comp rig.

 

[666]

Fun is what you make it.

 

[Culetto]

Mine is just about done for the SinCityRCRC Class 1 season this fall. Ill prolly ditch the grabbers for some badlands or OG claws just to get really low budget on it.

Custom Tuber
Axial Axles - NO UPGRADES "thumbsup"
Axial Tranny - NO UPGRADES "thumbsup"
Stock Axial Rims with Pyro rings
All custom links - 12 1/4 WB
Cobalt 7t
Losi 4 inchers
The rest of the electronics aren't in it yet but its just a sidewinder, nomadio transceiver and a HSR 5990. Prolly on only 7.4v lipo for weight savings.

 

[Big Bill]

I have been racing on-road RC cars for 35+ years and I see this segment of the RC hobby going the same way. In the last year or so that I have been crawling I have seen so many advances for crawlers that blows my mind. The clubs I crawl with set up the courses with a dig equipped rig in mind, so my pretty much stock AX-10 really has tough time on alot of the gates. Iam going to show this thread to the powers to be and see if we could also come up with a class like this.

 

[RealDeel]

I look at my local off-road tracks around here. I don't see much if any high dollar off-road cars and trucks. What I do see is box stock Traxxas Slash trucks being run by newbies and seasoned sponsored pro's. The indoor carpet tracks around here are no different.

The crawling world allready have affordable RTR's. This nonsense about building this or that is crazy. Why can't you go into your local hobbyshop and buy the RTR/ARTR and crawl. Leave the rules at that "BOX STOCK"?

Sure making a weight rule will limit the breakage......"thumbsup" Definately agree with that.

Even if you do come up with a budget minded crawler, the coarse designs must change regardless.

I feel this is a coarse design problem, not the equipment. Coarse designers should allow all trucks to be able to make 3-5 gates not point/time out on gate 2. If you are not familiar what a stock Axial can do, maybe you shouldn't be designing coarses. :mrgreen:

 

[gottorque]

That is a great idea. i am about to order an ax10 kit and the only electronics i can put in it are a novak esc NIB that is about 3 years old, a fairly new kyosho mighty magnet truck motor from an e maxx and a "high torque" traxxas servo. with tq3 radio gear that i allredy have. . seems like a good fit for the Box Stock 2.2 class.

 

[Culetto]

People who dont have dig is already a consideration here when we setup courses. Its not the courses that seem to be the issue. New people show up and are disheartened by the super high dollar comp rigs so a class thats more low budget was the goal to make everyone feel competitive.

 

[poorboyrc77]

This Idea is great. Wireman puts on our local comps and he proposed a shaft only class. Thats all it took to get more people interested. This class will bring more people in for sure.

 

[Bottoms Up]

you can still spend a ton of money on a shafty, there are a couple guys local that have 2.2 class winning or money finishing shaftys everytime.
and then you are back to the same problem as now, people who want to spend the money on it, and people that dont.

 

[poorboyrc77]

Its not going to be the same for every club. What works for our club may not work for yours. Its the idea and how you use it that makes it successful. He didn't post any new rules or anything , just shaft only and it seems automatically successful. He may refine the class later but for now it works. The problem I see with most clubs are the rules. Too many people want to argue because they want to run something different like lipo or brushless so they will have an advantage. Quit arguing over the rules. Let 1 or 2 people make the rules , you make suggestions and when the rules are set FOLLOW them. When Wireman posts a comp its his comp his rules. We can make suggestions , if he uses the idea okay , if not then okay its still his comp. He is doing us a favor by hosting a comp. Don't give your comp promoter a headache or they will quit doing comps for you. When I raced we tried a spec slash class and it died because we had 3 out of 15 who wanted to run lipo and brushless and wouldn't shutup so we never even raced it at all.

 

[Etype R]

Your only dropping the price of a comp rig down $200 if the limits are no aluminum wheels and no dig. If you want to run a simple class, push the 1.9 class in your local club. I have not dumped to much into mine yet, and I love driving it. I know some people drop $800 into them some how, but they always end up selling them because they feel it cost them to much money.... They end up selling them at a huge loss as well, I don't understand it. Keep your losi's on a budget and have fun. The 1.9 class can be very fun and laid back.

The same goes for the standard 2.2 class. You do not need dig, or very powerful truck to have fun. Its up to the driver to have fun with it. Take life to serious, and you are bound to give up on it. Last season I ran my axial fairly stock just to prove that you did not need a $1000 truck to compete. I took 3rd with it at one of the comps, having a top score on one of the two courses. The truck had a 645 servo, 65 turn lathe and 8 cell nimh pack. It had triangulated lower links with a delrin skid plate that I got for $20 and bent lower links from hot racing. I also had hot racing shocks to lower the rig, along with better tires and rims that I had lying around.


Now a old school TLT digless brushed 55turn 645 servo based class with moabs and mashers would be great at large events as a extra class to run. But not something that I think would work to well on a local level on a regular basis. Adding another class takes more time and people to run it. The limited classes never seem to last long, and are always dominated by the same top drivers.

 

[redbaron]

Fun is what you make it.

Its up to the driver to have fun with it. Take life to serious, and you are bound to give up on it.

So true guys, so true!!"thumbsup"

 

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

a fellow member of our club raised the question
of an unlimted class.

sounds good to me!

pretty much a run what ya brung!
only rules.
14in max wheelbase.
2.2 wheels and tires.




oh yes...
and have fun!!

 

[EvilTwin v2]

a fellow member of our club raised the question
of an unlimted class.

sounds good to me!

pretty much a run what ya brung!
only rules.
14in max wheelbase.
2.2 wheels and tires.




oh yes...
and have fun!!

In my opinion, unlimited class is already covered by the Super Class.

 

[poorboyrc77]

in my opinion, unlimited class is already covered by the super class.

x2!!

 

[blakeski]

i havent been around into crawling that long maybe 4 years, but when i did the 2wd wk was the ticket. i still really like the wk axels and have them on my comp rig, but it seems to me that when i started plunkin around it was cutting board chassis and alltread links, not bashing on people that had an advantage over me that just made me want to build a better rig ... and it did! i currently have 3 crawlers and only 1 with dig, never really got into it that much i never run wheel weights or rear steer. maybe im just more of an all natural guy. and with the tlt axels they are being replaced with axials, not very many ppl are using tlt stuff on scale builds, or comp rigs, we all know there still out there but slowly axial is taking over the crawling scene...with axial the parts are easy to get and usually cheaper, with this being said i would love to build a cutting board rig with a pede tranny and glued on moabs!!"thumbsup"