Why did you get a venom over the AX10

[bluenosegoat]

I also think I will get a Creeper. Mainly for the price and like so many others I like to make my own mods. The biggest downfall, and still the reason I havent ordered one yet, is the parts availability. Both my local shops carry axial parts and not one thing for the creeper. I suppose I could still drive my CK when I'm waiting for parts. I might also one day try it in a comp and I have never liked following the "herd". I just saw the price now is down to 99.00! Hmmm if i go rob the piggy bank.......

 

[freetimecrawler]

I like building my own stuff, instead of dropping shit loads of cash on aftermarket parts, plus my creeper crawls better then most ax10's i see for a third of the cost.

I get a good bit of my stuff from ckrc for me creeper but if u go to hot racing and look at the creeper hop-up u will see that there is a good bit of AX10 stuff on the same page and my budy has an AX10 and hands down the creeper put it in its place with less mony and I hav e put less cash in mine and I am a nub to but I messed with his and I love the way the creeper is on the rock than the AX10 and I know there are going to be a few going no no no but that is my first hand acount

beecause its similar to an axial but improved i supose!) LOTS of articulation, LOTS of Steering, Cool DIG unit available, and the price is awsome, my first crawler but the ability os quite impressive, only some weight on the wheels and tires not so good , good for scale crawling, but HB whites and the creeper can Hang with the best!)

because i can run circles around a stock ax10 with a stock creeper (seriously the steering throw is way better) the shocks are better the rims are better it comes with cvds the body looks better(opinon) selectable lockers and $100 cheaper=no brainer

At the time I bought mine the thing that appealed to me was that the creeper has a much better stock suspension set-up and awesome aluminum links all around. When I got my Creeper my buddy always out crawled me with his AX10. His is stock but has White Rovers and lead weights all around and I had crappy stock tires and no weights. The story has changed with me getting Rovers and adding 4oz to the front wheels. I crawl stuff that he can't touch now, just by evening up the playing field with good tires and wheel weights. So in a nutshell mod for mod the creeper out crawls the Axial, it is way beefier all around, and costs less. Win Win situation. I have nothing against Axials at all, they're great machines, I just prefer the Venom all around. "thumbsup"

I spent 80 bucks and got all the aluminum parts i needed from CKRC and now my rig is on point for comp..

i started out with a ax10 2years ago then dropped 2.2 and went 1.9 n now im back with 2.2 and have a creeper and imo the stock creeper out performs a stock ax10

Yeah, after reviewing the comp results threads, I can see the creeper is just tearing up the field,

NOT :lmao:

Maybe for $99 it's worth it to use the axles for a scaler (with the selectable lockers) But if it can hang with the AX10, why haven't I seen any winning comps? Why is it everyone I know who's had one, has sold it off for Axials, or Bergs? And why is it only $99??

 

[rmdesignworks]

Wow,,,People just cant seem to get the point.

this argument is so old and so over rated and so time wasting.

 

[rmdesignworks]

Yeah, after reviewing the comp results threads, I can see the creeper is just tearing up the field,

NOT :lmao:

Maybe for $99 it's worth it to use the axles for a scaler (with the selectable lockers) But if it can hang with the AX10, why haven't I seen any winning comps? Why is it everyone I know who's had one, has sold it off for Axials, or Bergs? And why is it only $99??

People sold them off for the same reason I started making parts for the Creeper and pushing the build side of the rig to make it better,,,Almost zero factory support other than great customer services...and no one picked up on the aftermarket because at the beginning the Creeper had some production quality issues...we (me and others who want to see the Creeper survive the haters' storm) are pushing for aftermarket vendors to support the Creeper...the biggest issue right now,,,CVD AXLE SHAFTS and DRIVE SHAFTS. If you take a bone stock Creeper and slide in a set of quality CVD's and D-Shafts, the Creeper will out crawl the AX with the same two upgrades.

The mods to make the Creeper "comp worthy" are the same mods that the AX needs,,,tires, shocks, d-shafts and steel yokes, CVD's and wheels.

If this isnt true then explain why the Creeper market is making a come back and the kit prices are going up. It used to be the Kit price anywhere was between $99-$110...CKRC is the only place offering the $99 kit and I wonder how many they sell and purchase to keep up with the growing demand?

 

[freetimecrawler]

If my post came off as bashing the Creeper, that wasn't how it was meant, it's just 1 persons opinion and experience at comps.
I hope the Creeper does make a come back, and I hope the aftermarket parts makers flourish. It's all the better for this side of the hobby.
I might pick one up @$99 for scale use.
I do like the idea of the selectable lockers for a scale 4x4.

 

[Abavuso]

Here's the deal, perhaps why you don't see many creepers wining is because those of use new to the sport that can't aford to buy $1000 rig with all the Bling are on the up and comming and once more of the creeper fans learn their rig and learn to drive there will be alot more creepers out there taking the cake...

Take the same driver with 4 diferent rigs and you'll see that he drives them all diferent but will prefer the one closest to his prefered driving style. Personaly, my preference id the Creeper, it's solid and very comp worthy.

It's a shame there's so many people the prefer to jump on a band wagon and then yell at everyone that's not on the same band wagon. Ride your band wangon and let the rest of us enjoy our creepers.

 

[CREEPERBOB]

THE CREEPER IS THE SHIT!"thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup"

 

[rmdesignworks]

If my post came off as bashing the Creeper, that wasn't how it was meant, it's just 1 persons opinion and experience at comps.
I hope the Creeper does make a come back, and I hope the aftermarket parts makers flourish. It's all the better for this side of the hobby.
I might pick one up @$99 for scale use.
I do like the idea of the selectable lockers for a scale 4x4.

If you read the threads in this forum youll find that almost all of us have locked our diffs cuz the selectable lockers fail due to having plastic diff carriers and aluminum locker rings with steel press fit pins...many options available for locking the diffs or maybe run locked in the rear and open in the front...

I dont think you were bashing the Creeper but i do think you need to see some Creepers in action before you say they wont stand up to an AX.

ANd as far as people who sell off their Creepers to get AX's or Bergs...I can understand this because its frustrating to need certain vendor support and not get it...again and again. Thats where RMDW comes in...I push for support of an unsupported product that is climbing its way out of a bad opinion based hole.

 

[rmdesignworks]

THE CREEPER IS THE SHIT!"thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup""thumbsup"

Bob,,,stop with the funny smelling shrooms man..its takin a toll.

 

[freetimecrawler]

Here's the deal, perhaps why you don't see many creepers wining is because those of use new to the sport that can't aford to buy $1000 rig with all the Bling are on the up and comming and once more of the creeper fans learn their rig and learn to drive there will be alot more creepers out there taking the cake...

Take the same driver with 4 diferent rigs and you'll see that he drives them all diferent but will prefer the one closest to his prefered driving style. Personaly, my preference id the Creeper, it's solid and very comp worthy.

It's a shame there's so many people the prefer to jump on a band wagon and then yell at everyone that's not on the same band wagon. Ride your band wangon and let the rest of us enjoy our creepers.

Not to keep this up any longer, but...................I see Venom as "jumping on the bandwagon" after they saw how the crawler market exploded after the release of the AX10.
I'm not on any "bandwagon" or anyones payroll. I was just throwing my opinion into the mix. By all means, enjoy your Creepers.

 

[freetimecrawler]

If you read the threads in this forum youll find that almost all of us have locked our diffs cuz the selectable lockers fail due to having plastic diff carriers and aluminum locker rings with steel press fit pins...many options available for locking the diffs or maybe run locked in the rear and open in the front...

I dont think you were bashing the Creeper but i do think you need to see some Creepers in action before you say they wont stand up to an AX.

ANd as far as people who sell off their Creepers to get AX's or Bergs...I can understand this because its frustrating to need certain vendor support and not get it...again and again. Thats where RMDW comes in...I push for support of an unsupported product that is climbing its way out of a bad opinion based hole.

You're right on about the aftermarket parts support, nothing turns noobs off more then having to fab their own parts. Again, IMO that was PTI's problem. Nothing could be better for the Creeper then aftermarket support, thanks for being there for that. I wish you the best of luck, and if I pick up a Creeper, I'll be looking to you for parts "thumbsup"
As far as the difs go, for comp crawling they would just be locked anyway, but for scalers, it would be great to have the selectables hold up.
I have seen Creepers in competition, and have crawled with one.
EDIT: I've decided to pick one up, and run it in our shafty class this coming season, I hope you have some parts coming off the mill?

 

[rmdesignworks]

Not to keep this up any longer, but...................I see Venom as "jumping on the bandwagon" after they saw how the crawler market exploded after the release of the AX10.
I'm not on any "bandwagon" or anyones payroll. I was just throwing my opinion into the mix. By all means, enjoy your Creepers.

hey bro..please dont take these responses the wrong way but the guys here in the Creeper forum are proud of what they have managed to come up with in their rigs that do compete against the industry leaders and in a lot of cases leave people wondering what happened. quite a few times now people come in and start talking about how they dont think the Creeper will compete with the industry leaders even though the Creeper Crew has proven on multiple occasions that our rigs will crawl with just about anything...and the guys in here dont get any more defensive than anyone else put in the same situation of defending what they spend late hours at night working on...

 

[Team KICKASS]

Hey guys, i got a Venom creeper over an axial because i am one of those people who have to stand out in their own way and NOT being stuck up in the axial and berg comp rigs!! i make custom parts for all different trucks to make them a one of a kind. All i wanted to do with a venom creeper was make all the guys with axials have to go back and try and find a new aftermarket part to beat my custom built rig so if i was you mate, dont listen to guys who build their trucks with aftermarket parts and buy a venom and if you dont like the way it performs then make custom parts or look little parts to make it better in its own way"thumbsup"

Kurt

 

[freetimecrawler]

hey bro..please dont take these responses the wrong way but the guys here in the Creeper forum are proud of what they have managed to come up with in their rigs that do compete against the industry leaders and in a lot of cases leave people wondering what happened. quite a few times now people come in and start talking about how they dont think the Creeper will compete with the industry leaders even though the Creeper Crew has proven on multiple occasions that our rigs will crawl with just about anything...and the guys in here dont get any more defensive than anyone else put in the same situation of defending what they spend late hours at night working on...

No offence taken, and I hope none on your part as well.
Like I stated, I'm going to pick one up for a buddy that wants to try crawling, and see what we can do with it.

Hey guys, i got a Venom creeper over an axial because i am one of those people who have to stand out in their own way and NOT being stuck up in the axial and berg comp rigs!! i make custom parts for all different trucks to make them a one of a kind. All i wanted to do with a venom creeper was make all the guys with axials have to go back and try and find a new aftermarket part to beat my custom built rig so if i was you mate, dont listen to guys who build their trucks with aftermarket parts and buy a venom and if you dont like the way it performs then make custom parts or look little parts to make it better in its own way"thumbsup"

Kurt

I couldn't agree more, I started with a Tlt axles, a Bender SW2 chassis, a Pede tranny, and a handful of home made parts,They're wasn't a bandwagon back then, besides maybe with the Tlt axles, only cause they were the best out there at the time. Look how far crawlings come "thumbsup"

 

[Team KICKASS]

I have more fun building crawlers then play soccer or riding my bike down at the local trails with mates and down at the skate park riding my scooter. I put every little design i have into these trucks and i wouldnt think of anyother way i could do that. i have made custom parts for Wheely Kings, Axials, Losi MRCs, Clods, Venom creepers, Highlift trucks and whatever i cant make i get made or buy and normally that never happens. Custom made trucks to me are your own way of making something that alot of other people have a one of a kind. Thats why i drive venom creepers and Wheely kings, because i want to prove they can crawler as good or better then an axial!!

Kurt

 

[rmdesignworks]

Hey guys, i got a Venom creeper over an axial because i am one of those people who have to stand out in their own way and NOT being stuck up in the axial and berg comp rigs!! i make custom parts for all different trucks to make them a one of a kind. All i wanted to do with a venom creeper was make all the guys with axials have to go back and try and find a new aftermarket part to beat my custom built rig so if i was you mate, dont listen to guys who build their trucks with aftermarket parts and buy a venom and if you dont like the way it performs then make custom parts or look little parts to make it better in its own way"thumbsup"

Kurt

as a designer and fabricator I have a hard time bolting stuff on,,why buy when you can build,,now, some guys cant build or dont have the tools or just simply dont want to take the time to build/fab...and thats cool too. Im not against the AX or Losi...but as long as people witness my Creeper making uphill off camber turns that a few XR10's wont or making the same climbs as every other shafty in a comp and in some cases that has included the Pro rigs...Ill keep defending it. As long as my rig makes it through gates cleaner or is the only rig to do so(which has a happened a few times now) Ill keep defending the Creeper. The Creeper has to be modified to be course worthy...it will crawl, flat out crawl straight out of the box but with mods like Ive done on mine it will do things that never cease to amaze me.

The other thing is I enjoy messing with stuff,I cant leave well enough alone. Ive recently had a couple people say that I over think things, Im sure the guys in the Creeper Crew are glad I did some over thinking.

 

[lazynocturnal]

The other thing is I enjoy messing with stuff,I cant leave well enough alone. Ive recently had a couple people say that I over think things, Im sure the guys in the Creeper Crew are glad I did some over thinking.

i will be the first to say, yes we are. i tend to do the same but it would of taken me alot longer to get my creeper where it is with out your help."thumbsup""thumbsup"

 

[asw27x]

if you work on it it will improve like all crawlers and i run mine in the pro 2.2 in my club and i have beat people who own MOA crawlers 4x the cost of mine and there like what happened and i started with it in august and im moven up the latter

 

[Abavuso]

Not to keep this up any longer, but...................I see Venom as "jumping on the bandwagon" after they saw how the crawler market exploded after the release of the AX10.
I'm not on any "bandwagon" or anyones payroll. I was just throwing my opinion into the mix. By all means, enjoy your Creepers.

Thats funny, the only after market available when i got my creeper was HR Nuckles & C's, Thomas from what I can tell helped the aftermarket expand with exception to the rc4wd HD shafts that arnt made any more last I checked. :lmao:

 

[scout 65]

get a creeper read tips n tricks then nail it. i love my creeper these guys will help u go mild to wild most mods u can do for for almost free u will have a rig your happy with get driveshafts do cv pin mod at least.