why does everybody hate on PitBulls on Scalers?

[Grizzly4x4]

That's two posts tonight where I have read about you bashing shovels and firewood...

I think you are anti-shovel and firewood.



:mrgreen:

:lmao: Yes I am.

Look at the similarities is proportions

Pitbull Rockers 44x19.5: 44/19.5 = 2.3

Super Swamper Irok 49x21: 49/21 = 2.3

Pitbull Rock Beasts 5.25x2.25: 5.25/2.25 = 2.3

RC4WD Rok Lox 5.25x2: 5.25/2 = 2.6

Which rc tire is more proportional to the 1:1? The Rok Lox are too narrow.

 

[sloppy]

As far as a national banned tire list yes you update it frequently. When a new tire comes out that is border line the national rules committee discusses it and goes from there.

So have a national set of rules that could possibly change on a monthly basis? Or at the whim of a group of guys that dont like that a tire looks a certain way? Manufactures like consitent rules and patterns. things changing at moments notice not so good for business. I personally like more and more tire options..

Reading threw the thread I see the big things that seem to make a comp tire are open lugs and realism of tread pattern.. But for some reason 2.2 rock stompers are not banned either. Open lug check, realistic tread pretty debatable. They do suck which I guess is really the best way to get on the not banned list.. (for clarifaction Yes I am being a smart ass right now )

this line from the msd rules also has to be very discouraging if you are one of these manufactures. Rules would be nice if they would be at least somewhat encouraging to manufactures..
• All Panther Tires
• All Jconcepts Tires

 

[2JSC]

Two axles = multi axles right?

 

[jeep94xj]

Show me a rig that is running a tire that is as wide as half the truck and sticks out that far? Then we may consider it looking scale.

I'm gonna assume you have never seen an XJ or MJ on fullwidths with the flares cut off? Rockwells will put the tires all the way out past the body. I am building this truck on the "extreme" side. And if the "rules" don't allow pitbulls then it will get something else...

 

[Offroader5]

Two axles = multi axles right?

That's not scale...pfff.. I'm sure with those tires, it's not very dominant on the trail...so I guess it's ok. :mrgreen:

 

[JesterSpec]

:lmao: Yes I am.

Pitbull Rockers 44x19.5: 44/19.5 = 2.3

Super Swamper Irok 49x21: 49/21 = 2.3

Pitbull Rock Beasts 5.25x2.25: 5.25/2.25 = 2.3

RC4WD Rok Lox 5.25x2: 5.25/2 = 2.6

Which rc tire is more proportional to the 1:1? The Rok Lox are too narrow.

I'm just a newb to the scale world, but wouldn't it be more like:

44x19.9--4.4"x 2'
49x21--4.9x2.1
5.25x2.25--52x22
5.25x2--52x20

Looking at the numbers like that, the pitbulls really don't seem to bad.

 

[Tommy R]

Two axles = multi axles right?

That's not scale...pfff.. I'm sure with those tires, it's not very dominant on the trail...so I guess it's ok. :mrgreen:

Yeah, yeah... Point made, ya bastids!!

 

[War Pig]

I'm just a newb to the scale world, but wouldn't it be more like:

44x19.9--4.4"x 2'
49x21--4.9x2.1
5.25x2.25--52x22
5.25x2--52x20

Looking at the numbers like that, the pitbulls really don't seem to bad.

Not all scalers are 1/10 th scale. My EB is 1/8.6 so the PitBulls scale out smaller than that. They are EXACTLY what I've been looking for in a tire, and unfortunately, not everyone has the same tastes. It's the most difficult thing we're going to have to deal with when it comes to national rules.

 

[Tommy R]

Not all scalers are 1/10 th scale. My EB is 1/8.6 so the PitBulls scale out smaller than that. They are EXACTLY what I've been looking for in a tire, and unfortunately, not everyone has the same tastes. It's the most difficult thing we're going to have to deal with when it comes to national rules.

Yeah, we will all have to compromise if things get serious about developing a national set of rules. Ultimately, as long as the more scale appearing rigs are rewarded well, I'll be happy. 8)

Even if Pit Bulls are legal! ;-)

 

[sloppy]

I'm gonna assume you have never seen an XJ or MJ on fullwidths with the flares cut off? Rockwells will put the tires all the way out past the body. I am building this truck on the "extreme" side. And if the "rules" don't allow pitbulls then it will get something else...

My guess is the rules we run wont ban tires. "thumbsup"

 

[EvilTwin v2]

My JK body is a claimed 1/8 scale, so they come out to roughly a 44" tire, which I think looks about right. The Rock Lox are a bit too narrow for my liking.

 

[bsn]

My JK body is a claimed 1/8 scale, so they come out to roughly a 44" tire, which I think looks about right. The Rock Lox are a bit too narrow for my liking.

Are the porportions of these two rigs the same? You tell me which one is more scale.

 

[gyrene]

I agree with Tommy R. It's the voids that get me. Too much space.
That and I don't have any for my rig. :twisted: I do like them. I guess I'll have to get some and decide for myself. If I don't like them I can always sell 'em.

 

[War Pig]

Are porportion to these two rigs the same? You tell me which one is more scale.

Wow, those do look very close to the same proportions...great comparison, thanks! :mrgreen:

 

[EvilTwin v2]

and here's a group of 1:1' that we wheeled with at Tellico. Hmmm, looks like som huge gaps between the tread on the rig that's almost out of the shot to the left!

 

[Grizzly4x4]

I'm just a newb to the scale world, but wouldn't it be more like:

44x19.9--4.4"x 2'
49x21--4.9x2.1
5.25x2.25--52x22
5.25x2--52x20

Looking at the numbers like that, the pitbulls really don't seem to bad.

My numbers show the ratio of the height to the width. As you see from my numbers, the Pitbull rocker, Pitbull Rock Beasts, and Super Swamper Iroks all have the same 2.3 height/width ratio. The Rok Lox 2.6 ratio shows they are too tall for their width to be proportional to those 1:1 tires.

Are the porportions of these two rigs the same? You tell me which one is more scale.

You ignored my post and question.
EvilTwin's Jeep is a good example to show how the tire is proportional in width to the 1:1 tire. It's the lugs that throw off the scale look though.

and here's a group of 1:1' that we wheeled with at Tellico. Hmmm, looks like som huge gaps between the tread on the rig that's almost out of the shot to the left!

Don't start talking about modified tires yet. :shock::ror:

 

[cave-man]

It's the lugs that throw off the scale look though.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

 

[bsn]

Which rc tire is more proportional to the 1:1? The Rok Lox are too narrow.

Sorry

Here is my world view. The thing that makes the most significant impact on appearance of the tire is the basic width versus the actual width of the body. You have much more leeway when it comes to height. This is why I think Tim's rig almost works (close to the 1/8 scale than the 1/10). The width of a pitbull vs a 1/10 scale rig would be close to 24" wide. This would correspond to a 55" tall tire. The info I have seen has the max width on the pitbulls at 19.5" (I could be wrong) with a height of 41" (not 55") so while yes, the proportions of the RC tire to the 1:1 are dead on, the proportions of the tire to the rig are off. They are too wide for the bodies that most people run. The narrower stance of the roclox works better with the body size but I will admit that the height it pretty extreme.

Also, the sidewall height makes a big difference on appearance. Don't see a ton of people running 22" wheels on their rock crawls (yes, I know, someone has a picture of one that they will post up to prove their point and to show that I am a complete noob and shouldn't even be involved in this conversation.)

 

[bsn]

2 Jeeps with 44" pitbulls. Still not as wide as some of the RC shown on here. Pretty wide though. The width of a Jeep body is 65". The pitbulls are 19.5 = 3.333:1 ratio. Proline Rubicon is 6.5" wide giving a 44" scale tire width of 1.95", not 2.5".

I have said what I have to say and I will say no more. Thank you.

 

[Grizzly4x4]

Sorry

Here is my world view. The thing that makes the most significant impact on appearance of the tire is the basic width versus the actual width of the body. You have much more leeway when it comes to height. This is why I think Tim's rig almost works (close to the 1/8 scale than the 1/10). The width of a pitbull vs a 1/10 scale rig would be close to 24" wide. This would correspond to a 55" tall tire. The info I have seen has the max width on the pitbulls at 19.5" (I could be wrong) with a height of 41" (not 55") so while yes, the proportions of the RC tire to the 1:1 are dead on, the proportions of the tire to the rig are off. They are too wide for the bodies that most people run. The narrower stance of the roclox works better with the body size but I will admit that the height it pretty extreme.

Also, the sidewall height makes a big difference on appearance. Don't see a ton of people running 22" wheels on their rock crawls (yes, I know, someone has a picture of one that they will post up to prove their point and to show that I am a complete noob and shouldn't even be involved in this conversation.)

Yes, running too small of a body is a problem with almost all 2.2 scalers. I have not yet determined the true scale of the Proline XJ and MJ bodies (I will soon) but I am sure they are too small of a scale to really work with 2.2 wheels. Anyone running 2.2's on a 1/10 or 1/12 scale rig is not really building a "true" scaler. They are abusing the system. Look at Pepe with Rok Lox on it. It is not a true scale rig.

On a bigger scale rig like Guido, Tim's Bronc, or EviTwin's Jeep, 2.2" wheels actually scale out to about 18"-19" wheels. Take Guido for example, scaled up he is running 45"x17" tires on 19" wheels. Is there a true tire that size on 19" wheels? No, but it is possible and with a 44" tire a 17" or larger wheel is a good idea.

The sidewall height has long been a problem for 2.2" tires and is why I have pushed for 5.5" tall tires for years. To make the aspect ratio more correct on a 2.2 scaler.

The problem is that we can't police true scaleness and make people provide a spec sheet showing the true scale of their body, tires, tubing, shock length, etc. Although I can provide that for Guido if anyone would like. ;-) Many people even at scale Nats don't know what the scale of their rig is, they throw whatever tire looks about right, or is tall enough, under the body of their choice and go with it.