why does everybody hate on PitBulls on Scalers?

[demonoid369]

52" Tire on 20" wheel.

And 20's are probably the largest wheel you will see.

and that is my point, people want to use 2.2 to make 1/10 scale truck and that's my thought as to why the pittbulls don't look scale, because they're being used on a smaller scale truck, if their was a 5.2 inch tire that was also a 1.9, heck it would be closer to scale for a 1/10 than the pittbulls, if you want to use them, try to make your build a 1/8 and you might actually like them, who knows

 

[SlickRockSpider]

Is it the size, the tread pattern, the compound or is it just because you don't have them?

If you're only focusing on size, then the Pitbulls are probably closer to scale than the narrower tires.

The Pitbull Rock Beasts are 5.25x2.25. When compared to the largest Pitbull Rocker, the 44x19.50, For the size to truly be a scale interpretation of the 1:1 tire, at a ratio of 1:8.38, the 44x19.50 should actually measure 5.25x2.33. So, actually Pitbull Rock Beast is actually a bit on the narrow side. The 44" 1:1 version would only be a 44x18.9.

As for the RC4wd Rok Lox, they are based on a Super Swamper Irok, with the largest available size being a 49x21. RC4wd claims the size of their 2.2 Rok Lox to be 5.35x1.61, which, in comparison to the 49" 1:1 version would put the ratio at roughly 1:9.16 scale. At that scale, the tire should actually be 2.29" wide to be a true representation of the 1:1 tire. The 5.35x1.61 Rok Lox would more closely represent a 1:1 tire that was 49x14.75.

Even if you compared them to the narrowest Irok (for the height), which would be the 42x14, at 1:7.85, the tire should still be 1.78" wide.

So, is it that the Rock Beast is ridiculously wide or is it that the other scale tires on the market are actually too narrow?

You can scale this to death. It is an opinion. I can't believe that warpig thinks that the pits look more scale than the roxlox. My opinion again. I think that they make peoples rigs look like New Bright rigs from Walmart :lmao:. My opinion again.

Evan

 

[2JSC]

and that is my point, people want to use 2.2 to make 1/10 scale truck and that's my thought as to why the pittbulls don't look scale, because they're being used on a smaller scale truck, if their was a 5.2 inch tire that was also a 1.9, heck it would be closer to scale for a 1/10 than the pittbulls, if you want to use them, try to make your build a 1/8 and you might actually like them, who knows

That's the whole point with having classes. You cannot scale everything proportionately. So quit trying to argue. It's a useless battle. :roll:

 

[demonoid369]

not trying to argue, just stating that how everyone one else is arguing, make a scale rig is just that, trying to make a r/c relatively close to scale as possible, and I'm just informing that if you want to try and get as close to scale as possible, maybe they can look into making their rigs 1/8 scale so that the pittbulls can look scale to them.
I'm not trying to prove points or discourage others, just trying to give people idea's

 

[S ARR T 8]

any chance of pitbull makeing a more scaled version of the tire I like the performance but not the hollow lugs.

 

[irok22s]

this is just my opinion but when they talk about scale, well most rigs that use 2.2 are 1/10 scale, and the first post on this thread even says that yes they are scale but only if your rig is 1/8, and thats might be the reason why people don't like them for scale, I personally don't like the 2.2 if I was going to build a 1/10 scale rig because then you would be running a 45" to 53" tire on 22" rims... haven't seen any rig, even TTC trucks run 22" rims.
so I guess they are scale but only really if you plan to do a 1/8 scale rig, just my two cents

OK so this is not a TTC rig. However I run 35'' IROKS on my truck with a 22'' rim.
and yes its a tar baby. :ror: Just stating that 22''rims and offroad tires exist.

not my truck either but similar wheel tire combo

 

[War Pig]

I can't believe that warpig thinks that the pits look more scale than the roxlox. My opinion again.
Evan

Yoohoo Evan, I'm still trying to find where I said that Pitbulls look more scale than Roklox? I would never say that because I think 2.2 Roklox are the most scale looking, most proportionate looking scale tire made. I just think the Pitbulls have more of the fat tire "look" I'm going for with my Bronco. So keep your opinion to yourself .

 

[demonoid369]

OK so this is not a TTC rig. However I run 35'' IROKS on my truck with a 22'' rim.
and yes its a tar baby. :ror: Just stating that 22''rims and offroad tires exist.

understandable and I'm not that surprised seeing a 22" (gangster thing I guess lol) but i hope you understand when I say it's not really practical to have that combo when your out wheeling(I could be wrong)
the only reason I can see for the wheel being bigger is for race cars like the vipers and vette's because it means you can get bigger brakes to slow down a fast car and not have to much of an issue with over heating.

 

[scorpion ax-10]

:idea:so i didnt read the whole thread (lazy me), but the most of the complaints i saw were that the tread was too far apart, but if the tread was closer you would lose grip because of the unique tread pattern. its not as simple as the swampers or iroks so to get the same grip they needed to space the tread. :idea:

 

[Tommy R]

:idea:so i didnt read the whole thread (lazy me), but the most of the complaints i saw were that the tread was too far apart, but if the tread was closer you would lose grip because of the unique tread pattern. its not as simple as the swampers or iroks so to get the same grip they needed to space the tread. :idea:

Right. And? ;-)

 

[War Pig]

Right. And? ;-)

So what company in their right mind is going to spend $5000 on tire mold for a tire that doesn't work. Oh wait...Integy, Imex, Gmade...nevermind.

 

[Tommy R]

Tim, my point was that scorpion was just stating the obvious. ;-) We all know spacing out lugs makes a tire more capable.....to an extent, anyway.

 

[scorpion ax-10]

my point is that everyone is complaining about something that has an obvious reasoning behind it. it doesnt make sense.

 

[scorpion ax-10]

and to get the scale performance they would have to sacrifice some scale look, and i know at least to me the performance is more important that the look.

 

[Tommy R]

my point is that everyone is complaining about something that has an obvious reasoning behind it. it doesnt make sense.

No. The reason some complain is because the design doesn't look as scale as it could. Everyone understands why they designed them this way, but some of us wish Pit Bull would've sacrificed some performance for a more scale appearance....myself included.

and to get the scale performance they would have to sacrifice some scale look, and i know at least to me the performance is more important that the look.

Again, we know this. But not everyone puts performance over looks when we're talking about scalers. I think you misunderstood what most of this discussion was about.

 

[demonoid369]

Again, we know this. But not everyone puts performance over looks when we're talking about scalers. I think you misunderstood what most of this discussion was about.

very well said, my thought are the same

 

[irok22s]

understandable and I'm not that surprised seeing a 22" (gangster thing I guess lol) but i hope you understand when I say it's not really practical to have that combo when your out wheeling(I could be wrong)
the only reason I can see for the wheel being bigger is for race cars like the vipers and vette's because it means you can get bigger brakes to slow down a fast car and not have to much of an issue with over heating.

I know I said its a tar baby but I will admit I wheel the sh!t out of this truck when I do take it out. Well wheel it just beyond the what stupid IFS can do haha.

 

[gasser55t]

fuel for the fire lol custom 1/8 scale tube jeep 14'' wheel base

rock crushers way to skinny the tire folds over on side wall ,might as well put butter sticks on your wheels, just threw them away

the pit bulls pulled it all together the look the width the tread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqKtx62b1ZQ thanks pit bull

 

[demonoid369]

don't know why it would be fuel for the fire???? you made it 1/8 and the tires work good in 1/8 size IMO, I don't see anything wrong.

 

[minicrawlerguy530]

Scale is so hard to define and thats what makes deciding rules so hard. I mean really, what is scale? You can get a picture of just about any 1:1 in any configuration you want on the internet. Does this mean it looks right or good. My answer is no. There seems to be 2 maybe 3 type of scale builders.

1. The guy/girl that wants the most realistic scaler possible, this person will compromise performance for a more scale look.

2. The guy that doesnt really care how scale it looks as long as it crawls almost or as good as a comp crawler, this person will compromise scale appearance for better performance.

3. The somewhere in between guy that will compromise a little scale appearance and a little in performance to create a very capable scaler.

The Rules will never be able to please every one.


I am probably a number 3. I have to agree, big rims with snaller tires on a 1.1 rig is stupid, but the big rims with begger tires is smart because better side hill ability with them. Less folding of the tire, and less chance of blowing a bead if not bead locked. So there is a bit of a point behind the looks for some people who are closed minded.