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tapped-out · 09-08-2007, 08:40 PM

I've been beating my ax10 big rocks little rocks rolling over ect. shock caps have not popped off. I think maybe people are filling w/too much oil

binaryterror · 09-08-2007, 10:14 PM

I'm with everyone, its the style of shocks, people always overfill this type. Another thing I disagree with Taffey, but his method will work. I use a tried and true Losi sponsored driver trick, since they shocks work on much the same idea.

Fill and bleed. Fill back to just under top, put on cap and there you have it. Then pump the shock vigorously (this is a emulsion shock so you have to get the oil and air mixing) then you can check rebound and pressure.

My only shock issue is the leaking...Used Associated Green slime but those bottom o-rings are still not sealing. Trying to do something tomorrow with all that, suspension in general actually. Prolly go Rear XXX-NT using the Axial Shafts...

The Real Dogman · 09-08-2007, 11:03 PM

I too am having trouble with leaky shocks and I have not been on the rocks with it yet. I think the cup in which the o-rings reside is just too deep, so when you tighten the cap it does not compress the o-rings at all, so tomorrow after our maiden trip, I am going to instal some nylon washers to shim the space out. Then test em to see if that helps. I also noticed the shocks, when fully extended are pretty wobbly, more than most other shocks I've seen. So lets see if shimming the o-rings help that too..

Azcats1 · 09-09-2007, 12:24 AM

Is there any other shocks out on the market that we can buy to upgade these shocks? Or will Axial ever put out a set of upgaded shocks?

Taffey · 09-09-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by binaryterror

Another thing I disagree with Taffey, but his method will work. I use a tried and true Losi sponsored driver trick, since they shocks work on much the same idea.

Fill and bleed. Fill back to just under top, put on cap and there you have it. Then pump the shock vigorously (this is a emulsion shock so you have to get the oil and air mixing) then you can check rebound and pressure.

That works too, and is probably more by-the-book than my method.

HBRC · 09-09-2007, 06:31 PM

I was popping my shocks quite a bit today. I was pretty happy with the truck overall though. I'll be putting some shocks off my T4 on there later today.

The final time they popped, I popped both rear shocks, popped the driveshaft off the pins, and broke the y yoke link.

I don't think this was an oil issue...

quads4_life · 09-09-2007, 06:47 PM

lol what where you doing so I know to not do that

colonelangus · 09-09-2007, 08:26 PM

mine weep a bit .the o rings are on the inside ,and the oil is fill to the top the cap should have enough air to compensate.although the shocks are so so but the springs are way to stiff .if you put the bat over the axle there isnt enough weight to make it articulate.softer springs would most likely fix this

HBRC · 09-09-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by quads4_life

lol what where you doing so I know to not do that

My rear wheel was stuck in a crevice with a small overhang.

What can i say. I thought I could make it.

ecoli · 09-10-2007, 02:17 PM

Not sure of the shock cap diameter, but a fix might be using aluminum shock caps (Traxxas makes these for their big bore shocks). I've done this with plastic shocks, adding a bit of teflon tape and a very small peice of fuel tubing on the shock shaft to keep it from bottoming out and got rid of any issues with shock caps popping off.

Chris

binaryterror · 09-12-2007, 06:45 PM

Ok guys more shock work trials.

Losi bodies and cartridges and Axial shafts. Good length, not for the stock springs though. Also the Losi Shaft must be thicker...more weepage...or maybe Axial made these shafts too small?

Evader Rear ST ones, same issues above, boy they copied the XX-T but their shocks are way worse!

I'm back to stock, BUT I added a spacer between the 2 o-rings in the bottom. I used a thin spacer from the Rustler rebuild kit. I pack is enough for all 4 shocks

Found HERE. I think the bladders might even work for guy who want to try them. They are the 4 clear looking wshers on the upper left in the pic there. Be sure to loosely install the low nut , lots of green slime, install shaft and then tighen the lower nut up. That spacer is perfect, no weep yet!

The Real Dogman · 09-12-2007, 07:26 PM

Yeah Bianary, I use a 3mm stainless washer for a spacer in the o-ring pack and it works like a charm no weepage yet. I just picked up a set of Traxxas Shock Diaphrams for the e-max lets see if that helps the oil loading trouble. Still OEM Shock Bodies. Anyone know what springs fit these shocks to get a softer spring. I axial has softer sets but noone seems to have them in stock, unless I missed something.

binaryterror · 09-12-2007, 08:28 PM

I hear alot of people using the Wheelie King ones, but they only have 1 stiffness, but by feel its softer than the axials. I would think the E-Savage might be very close too...

TerribleOne · 09-12-2007, 10:01 PM

Losi springs should fit, I believe the diameter is just a smidge larger. Also a good tip to shorten the shafts, or lower the ride height. Take the rubber damper and put it inside the shock body

The Real Dogman · 09-12-2007, 10:40 PM

I'll try the Losi Springs since my lhs has a big selection. The Rubber bumper was the first thing to get moved to the inside(basic stuff).

09-08-2007, 08:40 PM	#21
tapped-out I wanna be Dave Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: here Posts: 3,042	I've been beating my ax10 big rocks little rocks rolling over ect. shock caps have not popped off. I think maybe people are filling w/too much oil

09-08-2007, 10:14 PM	#22
binaryterror I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,583	I'm with everyone, its the style of shocks, people always overfill this type. Another thing I disagree with Taffey, but his method will work. I use a tried and true Losi sponsored driver trick, since they shocks work on much the same idea. Fill and bleed. Fill back to just under top, put on cap and there you have it. Then pump the shock vigorously (this is a emulsion shock so you have to get the oil and air mixing) then you can check rebound and pressure. My only shock issue is the leaking...Used Associated Green slime but those bottom o-rings are still not sealing. Trying to do something tomorrow with all that, suspension in general actually. Prolly go Rear XXX-NT using the Axial Shafts...

09-08-2007, 11:03 PM	#23
The Real Dogman RCC Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indian Village Pontiac Posts: 1,910	I too am having trouble with leaky shocks and I have not been on the rocks with it yet. I think the cup in which the o-rings reside is just too deep, so when you tighten the cap it does not compress the o-rings at all, so tomorrow after our maiden trip, I am going to instal some nylon washers to shim the space out. Then test em to see if that helps. I also noticed the shocks, when fully extended are pretty wobbly, more than most other shocks I've seen. So lets see if shimming the o-rings help that too..

09-09-2007, 12:24 AM	#24
Azcats1 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tucson Posts: 206	Is there any other shocks out on the market that we can buy to upgade these shocks? Or will Axial ever put out a set of upgaded shocks?

09-09-2007, 06:31 PM	#26
HBRC Quarry Creeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: right above my feet Posts: 262	I was popping my shocks quite a bit today. I was pretty happy with the truck overall though. I'll be putting some shocks off my T4 on there later today. The final time they popped, I popped both rear shocks, popped the driveshaft off the pins, and broke the y yoke link. I don't think this was an oil issue...

09-09-2007, 06:47 PM	#27
quads4_life Quarry Creeper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: tx Posts: 254	lol what where you doing so I know to not do that

09-09-2007, 08:26 PM	#28
colonelangus I joined the Band! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: mission b.c canada Posts: 233	mine weep a bit .the o rings are on the inside ,and the oil is fill to the top the cap should have enough air to compensate.although the shocks are so so but the springs are way to stiff .if you put the bat over the axle there isnt enough weight to make it articulate.softer springs would most likely fix this

09-10-2007, 02:17 PM	#30
ecoli I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Canada, eh. Posts: 2,919	Not sure of the shock cap diameter, but a fix might be using aluminum shock caps (Traxxas makes these for their big bore shocks). I've done this with plastic shocks, adding a bit of teflon tape and a very small peice of fuel tubing on the shock shaft to keep it from bottoming out and got rid of any issues with shock caps popping off. Chris

09-12-2007, 06:45 PM	#31
binaryterror I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,583	Ok guys more shock work trials. Losi bodies and cartridges and Axial shafts. Good length, not for the stock springs though. Also the Losi Shaft must be thicker...more weepage...or maybe Axial made these shafts too small? Evader Rear ST ones, same issues above, boy they copied the XX-T but their shocks are way worse! I'm back to stock, BUT I added a spacer between the 2 o-rings in the bottom. I used a thin spacer from the Rustler rebuild kit. I pack is enough for all 4 shocks Found HERE. I think the bladders might even work for guy who want to try them. They are the 4 clear looking wshers on the upper left in the pic there. Be sure to loosely install the low nut , lots of green slime, install shaft and then tighen the lower nut up. That spacer is perfect, no weep yet!

09-12-2007, 07:26 PM	#32
The Real Dogman RCC Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indian Village Pontiac Posts: 1,910	Yeah Bianary, I use a 3mm stainless washer for a spacer in the o-ring pack and it works like a charm no weepage yet. I just picked up a set of Traxxas Shock Diaphrams for the e-max lets see if that helps the oil loading trouble. Still OEM Shock Bodies. Anyone know what springs fit these shocks to get a softer spring. I axial has softer sets but noone seems to have them in stock, unless I missed something.

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09-12-2007, 08:28 PM	#33
binaryterror I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,583	I hear alot of people using the Wheelie King ones, but they only have 1 stiffness, but by feel its softer than the axials. I would think the E-Savage might be very close too...

09-12-2007, 10:01 PM	#34
TerribleOne Rock Crawler Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: OC, Oregon Posts: 803	Losi springs should fit, I believe the diameter is just a smidge larger. Also a good tip to shorten the shafts, or lower the ride height. Take the rubber damper and put it inside the shock body

09-12-2007, 10:40 PM	#35
The Real Dogman RCC Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indian Village Pontiac Posts: 1,910	I'll try the Losi Springs since my lhs has a big selection. The Rubber bumper was the first thing to get moved to the inside(basic stuff).

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