Holmes hobbies torquemaster spool

[Underground]

Ok, expecting to catch hell for this...however, im stuck...or a moron.

Had my front axle apart tonight, had the old locker in one hand and the new spool in the other.

I cannot see how it 'drops' in to replace the old locker at all.

What simple, obvious and completely critical detail have I missed?

[Eric0424]

You're not trying to put the Holmes Locker in the stock diff case are you?? The spools like that just bolt directly to the ring gear like the stock plastic diff case, it replaces the stock locker and case.

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Originally Posted by Eric0424

You're not trying to put the Holmes Locker in the stock diff case are you?? The spools like that just bolt directly to the ring gear like the stock plastic diff case, it replaces the stock locker and case.

I was trying to bolt it to the side of the ring gear, however - these little two pins shown here were interfering with me being able to do it.

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I think I've just answered my own question.

Is it possible, that the spools do not work with the stock ring gears, and that this would be a good time for me to purchase an OD front like this one?

[Eric0424]

Yeah, the HH spool is designed for the HD gears only. The Hot Racing, Grip Fab and Locked-Up FI spools look like they will work with the stock gears and the HD. All three have pin holes that appear to be in the same location as the pins on the stock gears.

Pictures 2, 3 and 4 at the link below actually show the stock gear on the Grip Fab ARB. I guess Holmes decided we didn't need the option, despite the "drop-in" fit.
GripFab "V3" Locker Officially Licensed by ARB!

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Originally Posted by Eric0424

Yeah, the HH spool is designed for the HD gears only. The Hot Racing, Grip Fab and Locked-Up FI spools look like they will work with the stock gears and the HD. All three have pin holes that appear to be in the same location as the pins on the stock gears.

Pictures 2, 3 and 4 at the link below actually show the stock gear on the Grip Fab ARB. I guess Holmes decided we didn't need the option, despite the "drop-in" fit.
GripFab "V3" Locker Officially Licensed by ARB!

Thanks for the assist mate, feeling less of a moron now...

I'll take the drop in fit with a grain of salt next time I pick something up for the rig.

[Eric0424]

You're welcome. Sometimes terms or phrases like "direct fit", "drop-in", etc. are not quite accurate. In this case they probably just assume most are upgrading to the HD gears anyway. Sort of like offering free shipping but with a $7 "handling charge" you don't see until you're about to finalize an order.

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Originally Posted by Eric0424

You're welcome. Sometimes "direct fit", "drop-in" etc. are not quite accurate. In this case they probably assume most are upgrading to the HD gears anyway.

Its probably a good idea that I do the HD upgrade anyway.

[Eric0424]

That's what I plan on doing when I upgrade the lockers, but I plan on keeping the old gears as back-ups if they're not wasted by the time I get my lockers.

[altd896]

A dremel or die grinder will take those pins off the stock gears in about 5sec flat if you want to go that way.

But the HD gears are a great upgrade, definitely worth while.

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Originally Posted by altd896

A dremel or die grinder will take those pins off the stock gears in about 5sec flat if you want to go that way.

But the HD gears are a great upgrade, definitely worth while.

I figured that might be an option, but If I'm going into the axles again...I'm doing it with HD gears in my hands

[sdmf]

I just replaced my stock gears with od/ud. I could see a lot of uneven tooth wear, even though I had the mesh spot on. Possibly due to 3s and Holmes hold...

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O/D & U/D gears installed this weekend.

Rear went in fine.

Front O/D gears have a mild but noticeable bind both using the stock locker...and the new HH Torquemaster locker.

Assembled, dissasembled and installed my front Axle 4 times to figure this out

Tempted to just run it into submission.

[Postclanker]

Try a shim.....I've noticed some poor gear mesh with the hardened gears sometimes

[sdmf]

Ya I had to shim the input where the driveshaft bolts in. Lateral was fine, too much thrust from the pinion side.

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[Postclanker]

Shims help a lot, I hate having to break down the axle again, it only shows up when you tighten it down

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Originally Posted by Postclanker

Try a shim.....I've noticed some poor gear mesh with the hardened gears sometimes

Originally Posted by sdmf

Ya I had to shim the input where the driveshaft bolts in. Lateral was fine, too much thrust from the pinion side.

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Thanks guys...this happens to be something that occurs before I put the driveshaft in.

its noticeable on each half turn, at the same point.

no obvious deformations with the gear teeth, I'm thinking a bad mating with the locker / locker housing....

I did notice I didnt put the gasket on with either the HH locker, or the stock locker housing - and when I assembled the axles together, one side seemed a fraction shorter than the other.

got some more pulling apart and reassembling to do

[sdmf]

Put the driveshaft on and pull it away from the housing while turning. If the half turn gets smoother you put 5mm shims on the pinion shaft until there's enough 'preload' to get the mesh on. Otherwise you have to check the lateral spacing on the axles/locker. You can also make sure you aren't over tightening the axle housing.

Edit: The hh spool doesn't use the locker gasket.

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Originally Posted by sdmf

Put the driveshaft on and pull it away from the housing while turning. If the half turn gets smoother you put 5mm shims on the pinion shaft until there's enough 'preload' to get the mesh on. Otherwise you have to check the lateral spacing on the axles/locker. You can also make sure you aren't over tightening the axle housing.

Edit: The hh spool doesn't use the locker gasket.

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I reckon you've saved me at least 2.5 disassemble processes

[sdmf]

Originally Posted by Underground

I reckon you've saved me at least 2.5 disassemble processes

Just went through it on Tues night with a few beers and many cusses

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