Front end slop hr products

[mtgrizzlymn]

What is a better setup? I have all HR stuff up front and its just sloppy. You wiggle a tire and everything is moving even the axial cvds have play. The bearings are loose in the carriers to. I have 4wheel steering and rear is the same way.

[BELADOG]

Ahh, Welcome to my nightmare.
pull up a chair and grab a cup of coffee.

If it makes you feel better I have all VP up front and mine does the same.

For the axles you need a diff locker with a clamp. These are called "no slop lockers".

Here's some vids of my mess.

slop:
Slop - YouTube

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[BELADOG]

bearings will be fixed with new wheels
No slip locker to handle the POS axle slop

The steering linkage seems to Suck no matter how you roll. VP or HR, STRC etc
Although I'm about to get my ass kicked for saying that Lol. (Sorry guys).

I will say this, however. The Rod ends that come with the VP tie rod and drag link
are Schweet. They are Traxxas Revo I think, and TIGHT.Here

[jhtoy]

I have the same issues,thought I assembled something wrong.I am using all the VP parts up front and was able to shim some of the slop out.I can see that new lockers are pretty much mandatory.

[crawler nut]

i have strc c-hubs and knuckles with vp tie rod and drag link. i have some slop but it is very minimal. i really like both products.

[Chaser11]

Originally Posted by jhtoy

I have the same issues,thought I assembled something wrong.I am using all the VP parts up front and was able to shim some of the slop out.I can see that new lockers are pretty much mandatory.

x2 on thinking I assembled something wrong. I didn't know what the issue was. Will the lockers take care of all of it or are there more places that encourage slop?

[jhtoy]

With lockers that clamp onto the axles the end play will be eliminated.I am guessing there will still be some side to side slop but I don't think there is much you can do about it.

[R/CMARK]

I would love to hear a fix for this. It bugs the shit out of me.

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by BELADOG

Here's some vids of my mess.

slop:
Slop - YouTube

I'd bet a shim behind the head of the inner shaft would fix that problem.

[BurnLatex]

Hmmm... I would never have guessed HR has crappy fit and finish considering where it is made.

The "slop" vid Beladog posted is normal. Normal, but not desirable. I have 13 RC cars, Nitro to electric in 1/24 to 1/8, and they all need to be shimmed behind the hexes. This is normal practice in RC.

You need 5mm shims to fit over the axle shaft behind the pin for the hexes. Do not shim all the slop out. A little wiggle prevents possible binding, thus why it is there in the first place.

There are many places through out an RC ride that require shimming. Rod end pockets, diffs, clutches, etc.

Any newbie can buy and bolt a part on. Takes a little bit to make stuff work they way the customer wants.

Now go get some shims, and enjoy.

My full VP Wraith has no slop anywhere. I have no rubbing with the tie rod on the diff cover. I don't think it could be any better!

[mtgrizzlymn]

What did u do to get rid of the steering knuckle(sayballjoint) play

[BELADOG]

Unfortunately, I think you have the exception, not the rule, Burn.

In stock rtr form, there is a ton of "slop".
Yes, it is standard. No, its not desirable.
Yes, you can get it all out of there...and should.
Of course you would like some movement, but not wiggle.

Once you fix the axle and get the major slop out of the axle with the no slop locker, you will then find all new slop at the wheel. The hex adapter is not ideal but its aluminum which is alight. Make sure the grub screw is tight!
The plastic wheel is where much of the remainder lies. The plastic hex mount is a huge culprit.
If you replace the wheels you will then notice the bearing play and the loose flange pins on the C-Hubs.
I have found it with VP, STRC and HR.
If you dont notice it, you probably just dont care and thats cool Its really not affecting anything. It just bugs certain people more than some.
...me, to no end

There is a way to shim the flange pin/washer that hold the c-hub to the Knuckle using Teflon tape. It wont inhibit the free rotation but isolates the flange head from rattle and "extra" up/down movement. Wrap the flange head once, pull it tight and give it a couple wraps.. around the head only!
Then use a black marker to color the tape.
The Teflon tape allows it to move and not bind but takes up the slop.
I have tried to file down the flange pins but the c-hub is actually larger than
the Knuckle by over a mm. If you try to bend the hub it will break, and or pinch the knuckle.

I only have this problem with the driver side set?
rt. side is perfect!

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

a culprit to alot of the slop in axles...
is banging the throttle forward/reverse-forward/reverse over and over..


yes,the shims help out.

i have 4 wraiths and they all have vp/strc/hr/axial parts in/on them..
and they all have some slop in the axle.

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

shims...

TRAXXAS TEFLON SHIMS/WASHERS(20) 5x8mm PART #1985




HPI Racing Shim 5x10x0.1mm (6) Z688

[Cableman]

Will these shims fit the ring gear outdrive? i hate the movment in that against my mip driveshafts.

[Solitaire]

They should. The outdrive shaft is 5mm, same as the axle spindle.
Ideally, you'd want a metal spacer 5mm x 8mm. Anything larger will run on both edges of the bearing and create a wear area, depending on how tight it is.
The teflon posted above would be the right size. I just don't know how long teflon will last.

[Sneakretly]

This is why in the kit manual it tells you to put locktite on the shafts where it slides into the diff. Not the best fix and the options above are muck better but it helps

[Sneakretly]

Oh and make sure to pull the axle out as much as possible and push the hex in before you clamp them down. Mine have no slop at all without shunning or no slop locker.

[BELADOG]

Originally Posted by Sneakretly

Mine have no slop at all without shimming or no slop locker.

Bullshit

Not trying to be a dick but that's bs.

There were five Wraiths in my shop yesterday and ALL of them had massive front end slop.

Two were kits, three were stock RTR.
Btw...now none of them have ANY slop now


If yours does not have any in/out movement at the axle than you have the golden child, but it is the exception, Not the rule.

If you have not slid the hex all the way in it will pop the pin.
Were are talking about the in /out play at the locker. And besides being the wrong application for Locktite, no amount of any LT formulation would hold a shaft into a loose sleeve anyway. I still cant understand why they would recommend that in the directions.

I installed the No Slop Locker tonight and it is fantastic!
The only axle slop there is now is from the bevel gear (less than .05mm), and the universal joint itself, which does not translate to the wheel, so I'm cool with it.

Love the links for the shims!
Thanks!

[BELADOG]

Originally Posted by ROLANDROCKSHOP

a culprit to alot of the slop in axles...
is banging the throttle forward/reverse-forward/reverse over and over..

Ahh, yes made famous by Harley in his "breaking stock gears" video.
Yup, that would make for some nice slop Id'e imagine

Originally Posted by ROLANDROCKSHOP

yes,the shims help out.
i have 4 wraiths and they all have vp/strc/hr/axial parts in/on them..
and they all have some slop in the axle.

Did they all have "welded" screw shafts on the driveshafts too?

I just blew $50 tonight drilling mine out
Now waiting for new output shafts F&R, shaft ends, and new pins...LAME!