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Old 11-12-2011, 03:52 PM   #81
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looks like 16 ga. Looks real smooth. where did you hide the BEC?
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looks like 16 ga. Looks real smooth. where did you hide the BEC?
Looks to be 22ga and the bec is on the driver side of the esc's.
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Old 11-12-2011, 04:34 PM   #83
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Looking good Nabil! What's the RTR weight?
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Old 11-12-2011, 04:39 PM   #84
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Sorry in the front caster
26 degrees according to the angle finder on my phone

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20 ga

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Came ou t pretty nice. How did it and the driver do today?
Not good. I pretty much had no clue what was going on with the truck the entire day. Finished 35th out of 72. Only finished 2 courses

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Old 11-12-2011, 04:56 PM   #85
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Huh, setup looks pretty similar to your berg
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Old 11-12-2011, 05:30 PM   #86
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Looking good Nabil! What's the RTR weight?
80.1 ounces in the pics = 5 pounds 0.1 ounces

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Huh, setup looks pretty similar to your berg
that's what I figured, it just feels really weird compared to the berg
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80.1 ounces in the pics = 5 pounds 0.1 ounces
Damn....
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:30 PM   #88
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So how do you like it compared to your berg?
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Damn....
Yeah, I figured it shouldn't be to hard to get it down there, being aware of what is going in the truck goes along way

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So how do you like it compared to your berg?
I set it up really close to how my berg is, and it just feels a little off. I think I might skip supers and 1.9s tomorrow and put some more time through it and see what I can do. I can say I beat the living piss out of the truck today flailing around and not a single POP, crack or moan was heard. As of right now, the berg isn't going anywhere for awhile
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How much does the XR10 weigh compared to the Berg???
If the Berg weighs more than the Xr10, that could be why it doesn't feel right to you.

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Old 11-13-2011, 10:24 AM   #91
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I think it looks great.
It's hard to drive a new rig in a big event. A guy will have his mind set on worring about how the rig is going to work instead on driving a rig he knows how it works. You'll kick butt next time.
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Old 11-13-2011, 01:25 PM   #92
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I set it up really close to how my berg is, and it just feels a little off. I think I might skip supers and 1.9s tomorrow and put some more time through it and see what I can do. I can say I beat the living piss out of the truck today flailing around and not a single POP, crack or moan was heard. As of right now, the berg isn't going anywhere for awhile
Very nice, yea I figure if anyone would beat the piss out of a truck it would be you to make sure it works.

Why did you decide to run the battery on the axle instead of on the chassis?
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How much does the XR10 weigh compared to the Berg???
If the Berg weighs more than the Xr10, that could be why it doesn't feel right to you.
The berg is less than an ounce lighter

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I think it looks great.
It's hard to drive a new rig in a big event. A guy will have his mind set on worring about how the rig is going to work instead on driving a rig he knows how it works. You'll kick butt next time.
Thanks Ricky, I knew in the morning it probably wouldn't turn out well, but I decided to give it a shot

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Very nice, yea I figure if anyone would beat the piss out of a truck it would be you to make sure it works.

Why did you decide to run the battery on the axle instead of on the chassis?
I like to keep as little sprung weight in the chassis
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Holy xr10 pandaman!!! Does VP have any parts left in stock?
Send that thing my way when you decide you only love your berg..
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I am still interested in your explanation of why knuckle weights don't jive with kingpin inclination.
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I am still interested in your explanation of why knuckle weights don't jive with kingpin inclination.
He's holding out on us
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I am still interested in your explanation of why knuckle weights don't jive with kingpin inclination.
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He's holding out on us

i have been expressing this for some time....
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i have been expressing this for some time....
Yes I know, that's why I have ditched my knuckle weights, I was just interested in an explaination.
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I am still interested in your explanation of why knuckle weights don't jive with kingpin inclination.
Oh yeah forgot about that.

Let's see if I can explain this, if you take a truck with inclined king pins and measure the amount the axle drops when viewed horizontally while the wheels are at full lock, you will see it is between 1 and 3 degrees depending on how far out the center of the wheel is from the pivot point (amount of scrub). If you do the same experiment with a truck that does not utilize an inclined kingpin setup the angle will be between 8 and 11 degrees, once again depending on the distance between the center of the wheel and pivot point.

Now, this might not seem like a big difference, but one can see the effects in certain situations. When you are turning a non inclined kingpin will want to transfer weight to the outside front tire effectively making the amount of weight on that tire larger. This makes it so you do not need the rotational inertia of the weighted wheel to pull the truck around. One will see the largest impact on vertical ledges where one is either trying to turn off the ledge or stand the truck up on one tire.

With an inclined kingpin the truck will not transfer as much weight to the outside tire. This tends to make the truck wash out and slide around more while turning and digging. By adding weight to the wheels, one is able to take advantage of the increase in rotating mass to manipulate the truck into staying on a line and not wanting to slide

There are a few more inherent traits to the inclined kingpins that cause the effect I am talking about. Namely castor loss and camber gain, but I don't really feel those make as big of a difference

I hope this made sense...
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Oh yeah forgot about that.

Let's see if I can explain this, if you take a truck with inclined king pins and measure the amount the axle drops when viewed horizontally while the wheels are at full lock, you will see it is between 1 and 3 degrees depending on how far out the center of the wheel is from the pivot point (amount of scrub). If you do the same experiment with a truck that does not utilize an inclined kingpin setup the angle will be between 8 and 11 degrees, once again depending on the distance between the center of the wheel and pivot point.

Now, this might not seem like a big difference, but one can see the effects in certain situations. When you are turning a non inclined kingpin will want to transfer weight to the outside front tire effectively making the amount of weight on that tire larger. This makes it so you do not need the rotational inertia of the weighted wheel to pull the truck around. One will see the largest impact on vertical ledges where one is either trying to turn off the ledge or stand the truck up on one tire.

With an inclined kingpin the truck will not transfer as much weight to the outside tire. This tends to make the truck wash out and slide around more while turning and digging. By adding weight to the wheels, one is able to take advantage of the increase in rotating mass to manipulate the truck into staying on a line and not wanting to slide

There are a few more inherent traits to the inclined kingpins that cause the effect I am talking about. Namely castor loss and camber gain, but I don't really feel those make as big of a difference

I hope this made sense...
F'n genius.

I noticed on my AX sportsman how the axle tilted alot when at full lock (25-30* caster) yet my XR tuber did not lean over much at all even with really high caster angles.

How very interesting...

I wondered why all the top dogs are running DH's and no knuckle weights.

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