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tom@vp · 04-01-2011, 08:40 AM

Let me start by stating what a third world country is

"Unlike an industrial nation where certain criteria are met, these are nations which struggle to compete because of a lack of one or more of the following: health, education, employment, resources, money, and other various factors."

the key word in this paragraph is Industrial nation

We are not yet a third world country, but without manufacturing (cars, electronics, toys, phones, clothes, everything), we will be one imho well within our life time.

We are becoming a service sector oriented country, thats great except without capitol this can not be sustained, service is what you get after you have money to spend. manufacturing creates deep wealth, from the products being manufactured, and all of the equipment and tools used to manufacture, and the money earned get spent here which creates a whole cycle of money flow. The two biggest money outflows from this country are going to china for manufactured goods, and for middle east oil. both of which we still currently have the capability to manufacture ourselves.

China's single biggest advantage is they peg the value of their currency to ours and it is pegged 30 percent less value. so when we are in the slumps and our currency goes down, our products are supposed to get more affordable to the rest of the world. but it does not happen because even though we are having a sale on our goods, china is undercutting us at a time when their currency is supposed to be going up, we can NEVER win this cycle. it is dirty pool. untill their currency is put on the open market we will always have one leg tied to the other. while they are allowed to full sprint.

People will say, oh but china owns most of our bonds they can sell them and make us go broke. They own 1 trillion dollars in bonds, We just gave that amount away last year to the banks.

Im liking Trumps view on china and opec, and iraq for that matter. i know he can manage money which is our other major problem ( money management ). I feel we need a serious person in office, and he speaks up and out loud about the real issues plaguing this country.

anyways im not saying he is the greatest man in the world, im just saying after so many years of loosers, we need some Winning (thanks charlie)

discuss

ROWDY RACING · 04-01-2011, 08:45 AM

ram_tough · 04-01-2011, 08:54 AM

I have to agree 100%, the loss of manufacturing and all of the imports we rely on are kicking our econimies ass.

ROWDY RACING · 04-01-2011, 08:57 AM

I'd vote for his hair!

Mr.Slave · 04-01-2011, 09:00 AM

america - the only third world country with an obesity epidemic?

tom@vp · 04-01-2011, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Slave

america - the only third world country with an obesity epidemic?

see service oriented country, the next stage of our economy obesity is eliminated.

Mr.Slave · 04-01-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tom@vp

see service oriented country, the next stage of our economy obesity is eliminated.

thats one problem solved

TexasSP · 04-01-2011, 09:18 AM

My deal is that you have to select the right president for the right time in history. Not all great presidents would have been had the been president at the wrong time. I don't think Trump would always be the answer but at this point I think he could be great for what our country needs. For me to fully support him I would need a firm commitment and a running mate that is retired military to bolster Trump in that area in which he has little knowledge and experience.

I think based on what we are facing as a nation now that Trump could very well be the right man for the job right now. Is he arrogant? Yes. Does he have past issues? Yes However, name me one president in the past who you could answer no to both of those questions. The issue is does his past cause a problem for us now? Not really. Is his arrogance backed up in a way that he at least has some just reasoning for it? Yes, just look at his record.

Personally, I also think we need someone who isn't a career politician and isn't looking to make money off the presidency directly.

There is no denying that Trump understands the fundamentals of business and success in this country.

There is no denying as well that he is neither extreme right or left, which is what is needed at this point as well.

bob1961 · 04-01-2011, 09:41 AM

the only problem is whom ever is president needs to have a congress behind him to do want he wants to get done or what ever trump has in mind will never get out of his head as an idea....the plus thing with trump being president is that he can veto what he don't want that congress toss's up on his desk to sign....i can see 4 long years of not seeing to agree on anything between the two

........bob

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RANOVRU · 04-01-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bob1961

the only problem is whom ever is president needs to have a congress behind him

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People focus too much on the pres. Its just a face.

Until the corrupt politians, some of whom have pretty much indefinately been in office, get cleaned out nothing will change.

tom@vp · 04-01-2011, 10:32 AM

He is vocal, and that is what the next person has to be, I think he will call out congress out loud.

I'm sure he would have a shrewd eye on spending.

Mr.Slave · 04-01-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tom@vp

He is vocal, and that is what the next person has to be, I think he will call out congress out loud.

I'm sure he would have a shrewd eye on spending.

im betting his policies would benefit him the most though..

Duuuuuuuude · 04-01-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Slave

im betting his policies would benefit him the most though..

He went from being stupid rich, to losing it all, and back to being stupid rich. I don't think monetary gain would be in his presidential agenda. It wouldn't need to be.

RANOVRU · 04-01-2011, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tom@vp

He is vocal, and that is what the next person has to be, I think he will call out congress out loud.

To what end? Neither the pres or congress has total power. Gridlock anyone?

Isnt that the reason the govt is shutting down now??

Im not downing Trumph. The money management aspect of him is very appealing and the country could definately use that right now...

tom@vp · 04-01-2011, 11:20 AM

Another huge point Trump is making that I stand up and applaud, why are we not charging for our military services.

The arab nations want Gadaffi out so bad they should pay for this crap, 500 million dollars already. I would have much rather have paid off some of the bonds china owns ... this IS a direct presidential decision

south korea, we have some 25000 soldiers there paid by us in the sum of trillions of dollars, spending our money there, they are now an ecomnomic power house that manufactures, cruise ships, yachts, cars, electronics, industrial equipment and who know what else, they dont need our free help any more.

Iraq... bleh... botom line they should pay in oil for our services or we should leave.

Pakistan, 1 billion per year free money, im soory what do they do for us.

Vietnam... see south korea ....billions

These are things the president has plenty of control of and these are thing trump is spouting and i have never heard any politician bring up to date.

edit: 500 million is not half of 1 trillion... got too excited

binaryterror · 04-01-2011, 11:27 AM

There are much better options than Trump...millions of them.

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Originally Posted by tom@vp

Im liking Trumps view on china and opec, and iraq for that matter. i know he can manage money which is our other major problem ( money management ). I feel we need a serious person in office, and he speaks up and out loud about the real issues plaguing this country

Trump was born into money...he didn't make it all as some believe.

He's seen plenty of financial failures he couldn't plan or predict for and had "help" from friends.

In reality saying the good things and doing them are not what he's good at. Hes a big mouth and a real estate mogul, not a leader for a country.

tom@vp · 04-01-2011, 11:36 AM

you may be right, but they have to run.

Being born into wealth, is not the same as maintaining it for 50 years.

he manufactures skyscrapers and understands this very well rich snob or not.

if our manufacturing was as it should be, we would be worried about which planet to send astronauts to instead of oil prices.

TexasSP · 04-01-2011, 12:07 PM

There may be billions of more qualified people, yet I don't see them putting their money where their mouths are.

The career politician thing has got us in the trouble we are in today, which is why we have Obama. Someone who is all talk with no substance to show for it.

As Tom said, maintaining the money is a whole different trick. There are plenty of those who have been born into money only to lose it all.

The part about friends is rather silly too, who doesn't make it without friends? Do you expect some kind of self proclaimed rogue to make it to the white house? One thing I have learned is no one makes it on their own, period.

tom@vp · 04-01-2011, 12:22 PM

Trump will benefit financially from a strong economy, but is that bad. I really dont care if he gets more rich from correcting the situation we have now.

his policies

For 2012, Trump has made an energetic investigation of a presidential candidacy, including a February speech to a CPAC gathering,^[67] an early venue for candidates considering a presidential run, as a write-in candidate in its straw poll for the office. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released in March 2011 found Donald Trump leading among potential contenders for the Republican nomination for President of the United States, one point ahead of former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.^[68] A Newsweek poll conducted February 2011 showed that Donald Trump garnered sufficient support to prevail in the November 2012 general election for President of the United States against Barack Obama.^[7]
Trump's political stances included the following:^[69]

Pro-life^[67]
Anti-gun control^[67]
Advocates for the repeal and replacement of Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act^[67]
Anti-foreign aid^[67]
Supports a fair trade policy and believes generally that the People's Republic of China should be considered more of an adversarial competitor, subjected to significant import tariffs as a response to China's currency policy in order to help balance the U.S. budget.^[70]^[71]
Believes the U.S. should disengage in Iraq and Afghanistan^[72]

With Trump expected to make a decision by the summer of 2011, his campaign has been reported by some media as a possible promotional tool for his reality show The Apprentice.^[73]^[74] Time.com had the headline "Donald Trump Begins Not Running For President"^[75] and the Huffington Post was similarly dismissive.^[76]

skid plate · 04-01-2011, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasSP

There may be billions of more qualified people, yet I don't see them putting their money where their mouths are.

The career politician thing has got us in the trouble we are in today, which is why we have Obama. Someone who is all talk with no substance to show for it.

As Tom said, maintaining the money is a whole different trick. There are plenty of those who have been born into money only to lose it all.

The part about friends is rather silly too, who doesn't make it without friends? Do you expect some kind of self proclaimed rogue to make it to the white house? One thing I have learned is no one makes it on their own, period.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom@vp

Trump will benefit financially from a strong economy, but is that bad. I really dont care if he gets more rich from correcting the situation we have now.

his policies

For 2012, Trump has made an energetic investigation of a presidential candidacy, including a February speech to a CPAC gathering,^[67] an early venue for candidates considering a presidential run, as a write-in candidate in its straw poll for the office. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released in March 2011 found Donald Trump leading among potential contenders for the Republican nomination for President of the United States, one point ahead of former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.^[68] A Newsweek poll conducted February 2011 showed that Donald Trump garnered sufficient support to prevail in the November 2012 general election for President of the United States against Barack Obama.^[7]
Trump's political stances included the following:^[69]

Pro-life^[67]
Anti-gun control^[67]
Advocates for the repeal and replacement of Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act^[67]
Anti-foreign aid^[67]
Supports a fair trade policy and believes generally that the People's Republic of China should be considered more of an adversarial competitor, subjected to significant import tariffs as a response to China's currency policy in order to help balance the U.S. budget.^[70]^[71]
Believes the U.S. should disengage in Iraq and Afghanistan^[72]

With Trump expected to make a decision by the summer of 2011, his campaign has been reported by some media as a possible promotional tool for his reality show The Apprentice.^[73]^[74] Time.com had the headline "Donald Trump Begins Not Running For President"^[75] and the Huffington Post was similarly dismissive.^[76]

Honestly, we have needed an honorable person to step up and take charge.

No one has done this in my opinion since I saw JFK get assassinated as a young boy.

For too long, I have wondered if I would see anyone able to do this and Donald looks like he could be this person.

He is tough on responsability and accountability.
He demands everyone do their part.
He wants answers, not excuses.
His policies on government issues are sound and strong.

I think, and this is JMO, he could do more than anyone has in along time, and not just more, the right stuff.

JC

04-01-2011, 08:40 AM	#1
tom@vp I joined the Band! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,303	seriously about Trump Let me start by stating what a third world country is "Unlike an industrial nation where certain criteria are met, these are nations which struggle to compete because of a lack of one or more of the following: health, education, employment, resources, money, and other various factors." the key word in this paragraph is Industrial nation We are not yet a third world country, but without manufacturing (cars, electronics, toys, phones, clothes, everything), we will be one imho well within our life time. We are becoming a service sector oriented country, thats great except without capitol this can not be sustained, service is what you get after you have money to spend. manufacturing creates deep wealth, from the products being manufactured, and all of the equipment and tools used to manufacture, and the money earned get spent here which creates a whole cycle of money flow. The two biggest money outflows from this country are going to china for manufactured goods, and for middle east oil. both of which we still currently have the capability to manufacture ourselves. China's single biggest advantage is they peg the value of their currency to ours and it is pegged 30 percent less value. so when we are in the slumps and our currency goes down, our products are supposed to get more affordable to the rest of the world. but it does not happen because even though we are having a sale on our goods, china is undercutting us at a time when their currency is supposed to be going up, we can NEVER win this cycle. it is dirty pool. untill their currency is put on the open market we will always have one leg tied to the other. while they are allowed to full sprint. People will say, oh but china owns most of our bonds they can sell them and make us go broke. They own 1 trillion dollars in bonds, We just gave that amount away last year to the banks. Im liking Trumps view on china and opec, and iraq for that matter. i know he can manage money which is our other major problem ( money management ). I feel we need a serious person in office, and he speaks up and out loud about the real issues plaguing this country. anyways im not saying he is the greatest man in the world, im just saying after so many years of loosers, we need some Winning (thanks charlie) discuss Last edited by tom@vp; 04-01-2011 at 08:43 AM.

04-01-2011, 11:20 AM	#15
tom@vp I joined the Band! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,303	Another huge point Trump is making that I stand up and applaud, why are we not charging for our military services. The arab nations want Gadaffi out so bad they should pay for this crap, 500 million dollars already. I would have much rather have paid off some of the bonds china owns ... this IS a direct presidential decision south korea, we have some 25000 soldiers there paid by us in the sum of trillions of dollars, spending our money there, they are now an ecomnomic power house that manufactures, cruise ships, yachts, cars, electronics, industrial equipment and who know what else, they dont need our free help any more. Iraq... bleh... botom line they should pay in oil for our services or we should leave. Pakistan, 1 billion per year free money, im soory what do they do for us. Vietnam... see south korea ....billions These are things the president has plenty of control of and these are thing trump is spouting and i have never heard any politician bring up to date. edit: 500 million is not half of 1 trillion... got too excited Last edited by tom@vp; 04-01-2011 at 11:28 AM.

04-01-2011, 11:36 AM	#17
tom@vp I joined the Band! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,303	you may be right, but they have to run. Being born into wealth, is not the same as maintaining it for 50 years. he manufactures skyscrapers and understands this very well rich snob or not. if our manufacturing was as it should be, we would be worried about which planet to send astronauts to instead of oil prices. Last edited by tom@vp; 04-01-2011 at 11:43 AM.

04-01-2011, 12:22 PM	#19
tom@vp I joined the Band! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,303	Trump will benefit financially from a strong economy, but is that bad. I really dont care if he gets more rich from correcting the situation we have now. his policies For 2012, Trump has made an energetic investigation of a presidential candidacy, including a February speech to a CPAC gathering,^[67] an early venue for candidates considering a presidential run, as a write-in candidate in its straw poll for the office. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released in March 2011 found Donald Trump leading among potential contenders for the Republican nomination for President of the United States, one point ahead of former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.^[68] A Newsweek poll conducted February 2011 showed that Donald Trump garnered sufficient support to prevail in the November 2012 general election for President of the United States against Barack Obama.^[7] Trump's political stances included the following:^[69] Pro-life^[67] Anti-gun control^[67] Advocates for the repeal and replacement of Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act^[67] Anti-foreign aid^[67] Supports a fair trade policy and believes generally that the People's Republic of China should be considered more of an adversarial competitor, subjected to significant import tariffs as a response to China's currency policy in order to help balance the U.S. budget.^[70]^[71] Believes the U.S. should disengage in Iraq and Afghanistan^[72] With Trump expected to make a decision by the summer of 2011, his campaign has been reported by some media as a possible promotional tool for his reality show The Apprentice.^[73]^[74] Time.com had the headline "Donald Trump Begins Not Running For President"^[75] and the Huffington Post was similarly dismissive.^[76]

04-01-2011, 08:45 AM	#2
ROWDY RACING I wanna be Dave Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: . Posts: 7,967

04-01-2011, 08:54 AM	#3
ram_tough Rock Crawler Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Jersey Strong! Posts: 564	I have to agree 100%, the loss of manufacturing and all of the imports we rely on are kicking our econimies ass.

04-01-2011, 08:57 AM	#4
ROWDY RACING I wanna be Dave Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: . Posts: 7,967	I'd vote for his hair!

04-01-2011, 09:00 AM	#5
Mr.Slave Quarry Creeper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: back where I belong Posts: 251	america - the only third world country with an obesity epidemic?

04-01-2011, 09:18 AM	#8
TexasSP RCC Addict Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tyler, TX Posts: 1,619	My deal is that you have to select the right president for the right time in history. Not all great presidents would have been had the been president at the wrong time. I don't think Trump would always be the answer but at this point I think he could be great for what our country needs. For me to fully support him I would need a firm commitment and a running mate that is retired military to bolster Trump in that area in which he has little knowledge and experience. I think based on what we are facing as a nation now that Trump could very well be the right man for the job right now. Is he arrogant? Yes. Does he have past issues? Yes However, name me one president in the past who you could answer no to both of those questions. The issue is does his past cause a problem for us now? Not really. Is his arrogance backed up in a way that he at least has some just reasoning for it? Yes, just look at his record. Personally, I also think we need someone who isn't a career politician and isn't looking to make money off the presidency directly. There is no denying that Trump understands the fundamentals of business and success in this country. There is no denying as well that he is neither extreme right or left, which is what is needed at this point as well.

04-01-2011, 09:41 AM	#9
bob1961 I wanna be Dave Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wayne county. PA Posts: 2,507	the only problem is whom ever is president needs to have a congress behind him to do want he wants to get done or what ever trump has in mind will never get out of his head as an idea....the plus thing with trump being president is that he can veto what he don't want that congress toss's up on his desk to sign....i can see 4 long years of not seeing to agree on anything between the two ........bob ....

04-01-2011, 10:32 AM	#11
tom@vp I joined the Band! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,303	He is vocal, and that is what the next person has to be, I think he will call out congress out loud. I'm sure he would have a shrewd eye on spending.

04-01-2011, 12:07 PM	#18
TexasSP RCC Addict Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tyler, TX Posts: 1,619	There may be billions of more qualified people, yet I don't see them putting their money where their mouths are. The career politician thing has got us in the trouble we are in today, which is why we have Obama. Someone who is all talk with no substance to show for it. As Tom said, maintaining the money is a whole different trick. There are plenty of those who have been born into money only to lose it all. The part about friends is rather silly too, who doesn't make it without friends? Do you expect some kind of self proclaimed rogue to make it to the white house? One thing I have learned is no one makes it on their own, period.

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