ae-2 and orion motor questions

[mitchr97]

I just installed them in my 1986 Kyosho Ultima and I drove it in my room a bit, and realized... HOLY CRAP!!! THIS THING IS LOUD IN FORWARDS!!! Then I switch into reverse, and I can't even hear it it's so dang quiet... WTF?!?!

btw, the motor is an orion method modified 19t rebuildable motor.

Then I set it on the ledge to turn it off, so I could go to bed... and I accidentally turn the remote off first, and the thing takes off and almost destroys my laptop! I didn't do that when I had this combo in my scx10...

I did turn the drag brake off, but that's about it.

Anyone have any idea what I can do to fix these problens?

Thanks,
Mitchell

[mitchr97]

You guys are such great help (he said sarcasticaly)

[Charlie-III]

You post @ 1 in the morning (Eastern time) and get pissy when someone hasn't answered within 7 hours??

Is this a new motor & ESC, or used.
If used, did it make the noise before?

[stanmondz]

motor or the car making noise? pull the pinion off and roll the car, figure out which is making noise first.

[mitchr97]

They are both used. The motor has less than 1 pack through it, and the esc is over 1 year old. I think the motor had to be broken in a little more because i took it for a snowy run today, and the snow that was close to the end of the motor turned grey. I still doesn't explain why it is so dang quiet in reverse, or why the wheels turn when I turn the transmitter off.

Sorry for the second post. I was sleeping on the floor of my bright living room. I didn't get much sleep.

[mitchr97]

I drove it tonight, and it just stopped working... WTF??? so I looked at it, hit the gas, and it would spark inside the motor can, then smoke a little bit. so I blew it off with an air compressor, and brought it inside. I cleaned it out, greased the bearings, and mounted it back up. Found out the spur and pinion were too tight together.


But that STILL doesn't explain why it takes off when I turn the transmitter off. I checked the link for a fail safe, but couldn't find anything. Any idea how to fix this or why it is happening?

[MotoMudder]

Don't have your rig on without your remote on.


Sent from a glass keyboard.

[mitchr97]

I know, but isn't there like a fail safe or something? I didn't do that when it was in my scx10...

[SuperRoo]

What radio is it?

Does it have model memories?

Did you change model memory in the radio?

If it is a 2.4ghz radio then did you rebind it when you put it in the Ultima? Why rebind? When you change a radio over to a different/new/other vehicle the setting can be different, throttle may be reverse ect..... Rebinding resets the failsafe for the new vehicle.

[mitchr97]

It is a flysky fs-gt3b yes it has model memory. I rebound it because the esc was chiming like it was searching for a signal. I had to do it in my scx10 when I put my sidewinder in also.

[mitchr97]

solved the motor problem but re-adjusting the motor to the spur, so it's looser. Then I noticed that my dad's 1986 kyosho optima had a lottle rubber boot to protect the motor from getting dirt inside. asked him if I could use it, and he said yes. now it runs cleanly and quick! Finaly the statment on the box "light weight chassis for snappy acceleration!" is true! I'm going to race my bother's 2wd brushed slash later.


Does anyone know if there's a failsafe setting on the castle link?


Thanks,
Mitchell

[MotoMudder]

Failsafe for what exactly?
Haven't heard that term since nitro.

Sent from a glass keyboard.

[mitchr97]

so, when I turn my transmitter off, it will take off at full speed... before it would just beep to say it was searching for a signal

[Charlie-III]

Originally Posted by MotoMudder

Failsafe for what exactly?
Haven't heard that term since nitro.

Sent from a glass keyboard.

Same thing, depending on the radio, you can have it go to "0 throttle" and/or "stright ahead steering" if the RX loses the TX signal.

I just looked (to confirm my thoughts, on Castles site), there are no failsafe settings in the ESC. It's a radio thing.

[mitchr97]

Huh. before it would just beep when searching for the signal.

[Charlie-III]

Originally Posted by FORDROX97

Huh. before it would just beep when searching for the signal.

You may have had a "failsafe" programmed into a different model in the TX, thus why it acted that way.

My Castle reference is:

Here.... Castle Creations | FAQ: 1/10th Scale Products

And here.... http://www.castlecreations.com/suppo...s_ed_guide.pdf

Neither discuss a "failsafe" setting. As I stated before, it's a radio thing.

PS, ANY RC radio manual I have EVER seen states to:
Turn on TX, turn on RX
Turn off RX, turn off TX

Period.

Doing anything else can yield unexpected results. As you have now seen.

[killswitch]

Originally Posted by Charlie-III

PS, ANY RC radio manual I have EVER seen states to:
Turn on TX, turn on RX
Turn off RX, turn off TX

Period.

Doing anything else can yield unexpected results. As you have now seen.

x10000000000000

Why would you ever trust an electronic failsafe anyway. Electronics fail. ESCs fail... sometimes to wide open throttle. Even when I raced nitro stuff, I never used them. A throttle return spring is really the only guarantee on a nitro, and we sure can't use them on an electric crawler.

If you fail to follow "trans first on, last off" you're bringing it upon yourself if your truck takes off on you.

[SuperRoo]

Originally Posted by killswitch

Why would you ever trust an electronic failsafe anyway.

If you own a modern 2.4Ghz radio most radio manufactures don't give you a choice, failsafe is a standard feature.

Most radios set the failsafe when you bind the Tx/Rx.

As an example Spektrum suggest you bind twice, once to set up a new vehicle the second time to set the failsafe after you set up the vehicle.

If you dont re-bind the vehicle failsafe will be the point before you adjusted the settings.

[mitchr97]

Thanks for all of the help guys! I'll do the double bind thing tonight.

now if you guys don't mind, I have 2 receivers hooked up to the fly sky and I can drive both vehicles on at the same time. how would I fix this? would the double bind fix this?

thanks,
Mitchell

[killswitch]

Originally Posted by SuperRoo

If you own a modern 2.4Ghz radio most radio manufactures don't give you a choice, failsafe is a standard feature.

Most radios set the failsafe when you bind the Tx/Rx.

As an example Spektrum suggest you bind twice, once to set up a new vehicle the second time to set the failsafe after you set up the vehicle.

If you dont re-bind the vehicle failsafe will be the point before you adjusted the settings.

Yes, they do. But that still doesn't change the fact that the runaway situation he's facing is because he failed to follow the golden rule of RC. Obviously, the failsafe is not working correctly, or it would have stopped the car. All of this is easily resolved by "trans on first, off last." If he really must rely on the failsafe, it sounds like he needs to read up on his radio and follow the correct procedure to set the failsafe.