Skaldiddog's "Progress"

[SkaldidDog]

Originally Posted by RcBro

I assume above is what you are doing and the picture with the tip on the size was just some rc porn. Just curious Are you simply tightening down the allen head or is it more of a shear think and needing force applied? Now that you figured out how to cut the tire, now I want to see you work your magic and make one that cuts them off a glued CF wheel haha.

Kinda sorta. It helps me to align the two surfaces and then apply a drip of glue that wicks into the crack. Not as pretty as your method. The socket cap is to press the plate onto the sidewall with a lot of force so the sidewall does not move at all while cutting. Hence the thick chrome steel. The softer the rubber the more it wants to buckle in front of the blade when cutting. I'm lost with CF sticker-wheels.

Originally Posted by RcBro

I know everyone has there own method and glue used. I personally use AKA Tire glue, its the best stuff I can find. I've cut and shut many many sets and never had an issue. I do sometimes add some to the inside of the tire joint, but only when the two tires jointing edges are highly different. Sounds like we need to move the jig talking to the tire section lol. Sorry to fill your thread Joel.

D-Wray suggested a while back that I use the AKA product and I just haven't tried it. The 406 was Jake's suggestion and what he used during Boss Claw prototype development. 406 is what I went with because McMaster (McBastard per JeremyH) delivers O/N standard shipping to my house since the are in LA. If the 406 fails I'll make my next set with AKA glue. I see this as a learning curve. There will be screw ups on my part.

Originally Posted by d-wray

Damn Joel!! Very nice work..makes me want to try a set.

Go for it man. They look cool, not sure how they drive yet though. Hope to knock out the other three tonight to be ready for a CI delivery today or tomorrow.

[Wicked Monkey]

That's pretty freaking awesome. Nice clean work. I'm sure if you could mass produce those jigs, you'd have people lined up for them.

[HARDKNOCKZ]

Originally Posted by JeremyH

I call that a "butt joint"...probably wrong, but that's what I call it. Either way, those alone don't hold up too well when making tires.

That would be a butt joint alright. At least in construction terms.

I 2nd the AKA glue. I haven't messed with cutting the Doos yet but all of my cut n shuts in the past & go fast gluings have been made with AKA. I generally use it for the edge to edge mating like Will illustrated & follow up with IC2000 on the inside of the tire body to seal the deal.

Im interested to see whatcha think of the pins. Im afraid the sun will cry blood & the seas boil if YOU leave your clappy Rovs on the bench for a set of pins but so far...Im really impressed with the compounds Ottsix used on these kicks.

JD

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by HARDKNOCKZ

That would be a butt joint alright. At least in construction terms.

Waddya know, a blind squirrel can find water every once in a while...

[Nabil]

In my experience, the 406 and aka glue are almost identical in how they behave. Both tend to slightly melt the rubber at the glue seam

[SkaldidDog]

Originally Posted by Wicked Monkey

That's pretty freaking awesome. Nice clean work. I'm sure if you could mass produce those jigs, you'd have people lined up for them.

Thanks and no doubt.

Originally Posted by HARDKNOCKZ

Im interested to see whatcha think of the pins. Im afraid the sun will cry blood & the seas boil if YOU leave your clappy Rovs on the bench for a set of pins but so far...Im really impressed with the compounds Ottsix used on these kicks. JD

Time will tell. I need to actually run them. Change is good untill it sets you back.

Originally Posted by JeremyH

Waddya know, a blind squirrel can find water every once in a while...

I was expecting "a blind squirrel can find his nuts every once in a while" comment...

Originally Posted by Nabil

Both tend to slightly melt the rubber at the glue seam

And nitrile gloves...and skin. Yes, the rubber is one within seconds of contact.

J

[Harvo]

Very nice! I have been wanting a smaller version of these every since I tried them.

Looking forward to the results.

[SkaldidDog]

Originally Posted by Harvo

Very nice! I have been wanting a smaller version of these every since I tried them.

Looking forward to the results.

I see the large OD as the primary and maybe only Achilles heel. At least that's easy to solve. Maybe a little narrower, maybe not. Either way not having to cover my mill and garage with rubber dust is a huge plus. The uniform sidewall thickness and dead rubber compound really reduce bounce even with stiffer foams vs a clapped Rover. Testing will be fun no doubt.

J

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by SkaldidDog

And nitrile gloves...and skin. Yes, the rubber is one within seconds of contact.

Just dont put it in your pocket!!!

[SkaldidDog]

Originally Posted by JeremyH

Just dont put it in your pocket!!!

OH HELL!!! You had to go there! Trust me man, I keep this 406 crap at arms length. Lesson learned.

J

[Erik D_lux]

I wondered if you were cutting with a blade or letting the jig do the work....

When I built my first set of wheels I totally forgot to trim the inside bead ring as a relief for the bead to sit into. It didnt take long and there were 2 Boss claws with the beads perfectly cut off. After that, I thought it would be really cool to make a bigger one and let the wheel errrrr jig cut the tire for you. Thats about as far as I got with it.

If Delrin, with a thick lip can cut a bead, I bet you could make a nice jig the same way out of a better material and sell quite a few, or at least to a couple of guys and then that guy could charge people to cut the beads. Hell, if somebody would cut the tire like yours, I have no problem gluing it.

Somebody besides me sounds like the perfect guy for this project!

[ittybitty]

Originally Posted by Erik D_lux

Somebody besides me sounds like the perfect guy for this project!

That's signature material right there!

I'd be happy to have a jig like that to be able to do the tire work for people. I'll even glue them

[TURBOFEST]

The rubber will rip before the 406 joint lets go. That stuff is awesome!!

[SkaldidDog]

Originally Posted by Erik D_lux

I wondered if you were cutting with a blade or letting the jig do the work....

When I built my first set of wheels I totally forgot to trim the inside bead ring as a relief for the bead to sit into. It didnt take long and there were 2 Boss claws with the beads perfectly cut off. After that, I thought it would be really cool to make a bigger one and let the wheel errrrr jig cut the tire for you. Thats about as far as I got with it.

If Delrin, with a thick lip can cut a bead, I bet you could make a nice jig the same way out of a better material and sell quite a few, or at least to a couple of guys and then that guy could charge people to cut the beads. Hell, if somebody would cut the tire like yours, I have no problem gluing it.

Somebody besides me sounds like the perfect guy for this project!

I don't think Delrin will cut rubber. Not more than a couple of times before dulling at least. I didn't cut any reliefs but left a little side wall on the corner of the tread bed for a nice flat junction. Cutting the tires is really easy. Glueing is slow but not that bad with a little music in the background.

Originally Posted by ittybitty

That's signature material right there!

I'd be happy to have a jig like that to be able to do the tire work for people. I'll even glue them

That's a great signature indeed.

Originally Posted by TURBOFEST

The rubber will rip before the 406 joint lets go. That stuff is awesome!!

From what I've see so far you are bang on man. This stuff is nuts.

J

[chicklet]

Originally Posted by SkaldidDog

From what I've see so far you are bang on man. This stuff is nuts
J

Bang on man nuts....'nuff said

I love what you've done! Can't wait to do the same to mine.

[SkaldidDog]

Originally Posted by chicklet

Bang on man nuts....'nuff said

I love what you've done! Can't wait to do the same to mine.

Thanks.


Update:

Last night I was pondering methods to cut the tread bed in a perfectly straight line, leaving a perfectly flat surface all the way across the bed. I knew I need something longer than a razor blade so I didn't have to move an object to make the cut. Then I recalled that I had a ~40 year old German non-disposable microtome blade left over from a retired piece of equipment from grad school. Search mictotome and look at what they are for and you'll understand how much sharper than a new razor blade one is. Insane dangerous. Needless to say it works like a champ. It's so easy to aim and cut off tiny slivers of rubber with just a little pressure. I got a little done on the other three last night and will finish them Sat if life allows.

J

[TURBOFEST]

Your so far out of hand!

[House]

Man Joel, you are really "splitting hairs" on this project aren't you?
Next thing you know you will be busting an optical comparator and cmm out
of your closet to tell us the true position deviations between the two sides...!

[SkaldidDog]

Originally Posted by TURBOFEST

Your so far out of hand!

Originally Posted by House

Man Joel, you are really "splitting hairs" on this project aren't you?
Next thing you know you will be busting an optical comparator and cmm out
of your closet to tell us the true position deviations between the two sides...!

Got one I can borrow? I promise it'll have only a little bit of glue, dust and dog hair on it when I'm done.

J

[HARDKNOCKZ]

Originally Posted by House

Next thing you know you will be busting an optical comparator and cmm out
of your closet to tell us the true position deviations between the two sides...!

Maaan...I was gonna say that!!

I was gonna say next you'll be busting out an optical computerizermajigger & lmnoper outta your closet to tell us the true flooglebinder scooterbrakes...but YOU said it 1st! Damn you House!


J.D.