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06-14-2006, 02:57 PM
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| RCC Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beaver Falls
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|  Four Linking The Front
Ok, i've started to duplicate the TJ suspension onto the nylint rockcrawler. I am about 75% done with the rear axle. it's been four-linked but not with triangulated uppers so my rear axle slides sideways a little. I am planning to fab up a nice little trackbar that will complete the suspension. My shocks and springs are straight up and down, as the TJ's are. Now my issue is the front. I really want to four link the front. The blue arms are long gone so i can't go back to stock. The problem is the axle is not identical on both sides (pass/drivers) so i cannot have the links measured and placed at the same corners. I know i'm gonna have to fab up some brackets to get them close enough, at least. Anyone succeeded in four-linking the front without increasing the wheelbase too much? Would something like radius arms (like the tj fabtech kit or ford solid axle setup) work? My rear axle is already 1.5" back from stock. Pictures appreciated  Last edited by muddeprived; 06-14-2006 at 03:01 PM. |
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06-14-2006, 03:05 PM
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06-14-2006, 03:25 PM
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 thanks for the link. I don't know why it didn't show up when i searched for "four link" "4-link" "4 link" etc..... | |
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06-14-2006, 06:16 PM
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Just finished 4 linking front and rear  x10 better then those stupid blue things |
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06-14-2006, 08:18 PM
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| Quarry Creeper  Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Omaha
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I fabbed up some brackets for mine ...    |
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06-14-2006, 09:01 PM
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do u like getting hung up on rocks?   I like hi mounts, such as the ones I did cool mounts but not a good spot | |
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06-14-2006, 10:25 PM
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I don't think those would get hung up. He'll be sliding on and off of them alot though. It's very similar to our TJ long arm setups.
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06-14-2006, 10:53 PM
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 I drive a real jeep Jk I love all jeeps | |
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06-15-2006, 06:43 AM
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 ...our TJ AND XJ's.... | |
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06-15-2006, 10:44 AM
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Muddeprived is right, these mount very similarly to most aftermarket long arm kits and, if you look closely, similar to most 1:1 rock crawling competition buggies. I wish I could figure out a way to get the rear arms down low like this. Sorry you don't understand. | |
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06-15-2006, 11:27 AM
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I understand and I own a XJ that is built, I installed the lift, I did this and that... that XJ is the way it is because of me not because of some 4x4 shop that put it together like most peoples TJs :-P and even some XJ If u were to look at my 4link setup and then look at urs which one would get hung up on a rock 1st urs,.... at least anyone with any knowledge would see that hey u could have mounted the links under the axles then u really would have had me not "understanding":flip off: take the stupid grin away though
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06-15-2006, 12:31 PM
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Let's start with one of the most comprehensive articles on the Web on off road 4 link suspensions and take a look at where they recommend mounting the links. Here's a graphic from the oft-referenced 4wheeloffroad article:  They recommend mounting points on the centerline of the tube. Effectively, the brackets I made place the links slightly lower than that - not below the tube because you're right that the link mounts would take way too much abuse in that location. Sort of like the one we can see on the passenger side of this Jeep.  Now as far as installing your own lift goes ... congratulations, you can bolt stuff together while following directions. Have you ever built a 1:1 link suspension from scratch? Do you have any idea what squat is, how to calculate anti-squat and why you need it? I'll take a wild guess and say you've been into off roading for maybe 2-3 years. I might be off by as much as 50% either way, but I'm also willing to bet I've been off roading and building rigs for longer than you've been alive. That being said, I will freely admit that I'm new to building RC crawlers. However, I'm applying stuff I've done in the 1:1 world where it seems appropriate. Some of it will work, some won't. There's no reason what I've done with the front lower axle links shouldn't work. It will certainly do a lot more to prevent axle wrap than mounting them on top of the axle! Finally, I'm not sure why you want to flip me off without the smiley. You fired the first several rounds in this thread and my tube chassis build thread. If anyone should be angry, it should be me ... but this is the Internet and it ain't worth getting angry over. Just for fun, here are a couple rigs from guys on Pirate4X4 with lower links not mounted on top of the axle. Why don't you go over there and flip them off without the smily and see how that goes? They're not as nice as I am.  Last edited by Mudinyeri; 06-15-2006 at 12:50 PM. | |
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06-15-2006, 01:09 PM
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Dude u need to put u panies back on too I just think it is a RC so why not build it like one if u are going for a scale modeled rig, then that is cool... I was just giving my point of view... and that is how I did mine. and I know the best way to mount arms and shocks on a 1:1 is centered on the axle... but I am building a Nylint thingy that I got for 50$ I wasnt saying dont build ur rig the way u want... I was just giving u options get work keep it up, hope it works for u, and I am sure it will I am not thick headed, I am done and mine works | |
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06-15-2006, 01:13 PM
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Yeah, not bad for an XJ. Glad that neither of us is thick-headed. It was the flipoffs with no smiley that got my "panties in a bunch." (Assuming that's what you meant by "put u panies back on ....") BTW, there's a bunch of Oregonians on www.jeepchicksrock.com - a forum I host and help administer. |
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06-15-2006, 01:21 PM
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I am just having a little fun with u, and I was kidding about the flipoffs, just knew it would get a fire going under ur a$s | |
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06-15-2006, 02:10 PM
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If you guys were real men you would have a CJ... like me.
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06-15-2006, 03:48 PM
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06-15-2006, 03:58 PM
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Back on topic, wouldnt jeepernicks way give you axle rolll? Just wondering! | |
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06-15-2006, 04:01 PM
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I think you can limit the axle wrap when mounting your lower links on top of the axle, but it is much more difficult than when they are mounted on the centerline. | |
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06-15-2006, 04:41 PM
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I have no axle wrap, and what does it matter there are no drive-lines I also used really large washers to insure the plasic wouldnt flex |
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