2013 National's Course Building

[Hoppa]

Who ever builds the coursesshould keep the judges in mind. They are the ones that have to walk / climb the course all day and it does take a toll.
That being said as long as the locals DO NOT build any couses ill be happy.
Everyone has to drive the same course, whether you finish or not.

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by Farmer

I'm always down to help out with some building
Thanks for the chance,
Farmer

Farmer knows exactly what I am talking about. He was one of the builders of the Super Shafty Course I mentioned above.

Originally Posted by Hoppa

Who ever builds the courses should keep the judges in mind. They are the ones that have to walk / climb the course all day and it does take a toll.

That will defiantly be part of the instructions given to the course designers.

[Waiting Dragon]

I like this format!

I can help set a Shafty course Fishmaxx, or help with anything that might be necessary!

[Bc Paints]

In to help, I'm up at dawn anyway..........

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by Waiting Dragon

I like this format!

I can help set a Shafty course Fishmaxx, or help with anything that might be necessary!

Originally Posted by Bc Paints

In to help, I'm up at dawn anyway..........

Originally Posted by Hoppa

Who ever builds the coursesshould keep the judges in mind. They are the ones that have to walk / climb the course all day and it does take a toll.

If you guys are there you can certainly WELCOME to give input on the courses you are going to judges...that way if its a PITA to Judge you have no one else to blame.

[Highlucks]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Thanks for stepping up guys, but your scaring me a little. Anyone can build insanely hard courses where no one gets past a certain gate. At Nationals I want courses 40-60% of the drivers finish with a range of scores 30 to -30.

Whats the point of putting Bonus gates on the course if no one finishes the course? Rock Decorations?

IMO a really great course trips different drivers up in different places, and produces score though out the range.

At this years ECC the Super Shafty Course fell right into that sweet spot. The Event Champ (JPBoy) got a -8.

1. -36

1. 32

The Course was very nicely balanced in my opinion.

My thoughts exactly Fish, the comment was not intended to concern, the course I set was not insanely hard just a couple of lines caught him out and had him fall short of the last gate. French Fred managed to drive it fine. For my mind Courses need to have an even balance of doable, challenging and fun with a dash of "holy shit I can't believe I drove up that"

This does not always pan out though once the course is set, As some gates you set thinking they look doable turn out to be less than.
My favourite U.S. course to date was the Rowdy Course at last years Nationals. Fun, fast and something most could do. The factor that divided the field was time management and who got the most bonuses. On the other hand the course near the Yellow jacket nest behind pit lane, was too hard for the majority of the field. With a large portion of drivers coming undone before reaching gate 5.

[PaloAltoK5]

Again, I am down to set course again this year.

Like in the other thread, I land on Tuesday, and leave the following Tuesday, I am free all week to help.

[Fishmaxx]

This is a tentative list of Judge Pairings the course the will be assigned to and the course builder teams.

Course Builders need to be onsite Friday to pick up supplies and area they will be assigned.

Judges for a particular course can participate in the building process and give input on their ability to effectively judge it.





Course Builders and Judges wanting to provide input need to be onsite at 5:30 am Saturday morning.


BTW....the list is shown as a standard Google/Drive doc...if you can't see it then you need to try a different device. There is an app for some Apple users

[Farmer]

Sweet, can't wait to help out again Thanks Fish!!!
Later,
Farmer

[Waiting Dragon]

Are we having a judges meeting on Thursday evening?

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by Waiting Dragon

Are we having a judges meeting on Thursday evening?

No...assuming you talking about 2.2s.

There are 60 drivers for 2.2s and 100 for 2.2P....the 40 driver difference gives us enough time to have it Friday morning

[SkaldidDog]

Sweet! Hey Yoshi, you gonna teach me some crawling terms in Japanese? (like "gate", uh...."rollover", and uh...oh yeah, "man it's beautiful out here today".

See y'all Thursday lunch-ish.

J

[Fishmaxx]

Judges:There are 3 per course, so you SHOULD be able to run your own breaks. Even with no relief judges you should be able to have 2.5 -3 hours OFF your assigned course. You guys are responsible for managing your own breaks. If something goes wrong....injury, truck needs repair, etc notify me are a Marshall so we can make the necessary adjustments.

Don't just disappear!


Judges will have wristbands that will allow them to move to the front of the line....I only ask that you guy alternate in with drivers that were previously in line.

RCP is setting up a judges zone were they will have food and drinks to keep you guys sharp.

[Frankenwheely]

Am I assuming that this will be the same set of judges for Friday as well or is there another list for 2.2s judges?

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by Frankenwheely

Am I assuming that this will be the same set of judges for Friday as well or is there another list for 2.2s judges?

No its different. With 40 less drivers there is more leeway and room for on the fly adjustments. Having said that I will work on 2.2S plan this weekend.

[boosted4lyf]

Hey fish with supers and 1.9 running at different times I can help judge both. I'm not driving either of those classes.

[Waiting Dragon]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

No...assuming you talking about 2.2s.

There are 60 drivers for 2.2s and 100 for 2.2P....the 40 driver difference gives us enough time to have it Friday morning

Yep, I was talking about 2.2S. Thanks Fish that makes sense!