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I was tryin to back that up John. I just bought the service and I'm sending 1 in. It was gonna be 3 but I think the pros can last until after worlds Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th Whats biting me in the ass right now is having the lathe. One of my OEM contracts just ordered another batch of motors that are due the week after worlds, which puts the entire production schedule during the period I thought was going to be only devoted to prepping for Worlds. They didn't think there would be another batch until March, but got a lot of orders for their UAV unexpected. Good thing and bad thing at the same time I suppose. Fortunately, tomorrow I'll have most of the day to just hammer on Worlds since I spent most of today setting up the lathe for smooth production. My worker will be able to come in and press start while I do my thing, hopefully... |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th Tentative Schedule, may be subject to change: Friday- 7am: Course building begins 8am: Driver Check in 9am: 2.2S courses open 10am: TrailMaster Challenge open 5pm: Courses close, finals 2.2S course building begins 6pm: Finals 2.2S 7pm: Awards Ceremony Saturday- 7am: Course building begins 8am: Driver Check in 9am: 2.2P and Unlimited standard courses open 5pm: Courses close, finals 2.2P and Unlimited course building begins 6pm: Finals begins 7pm: Awards Ceremony 8pm: Night TrailMaster Challenge begins Sunday- 7am: Course building begins 8am: Driver Check in 9am: Super, 1.9, and Unlimited Mini courses open 5pm: Courses close, finals course building begins if applicable 6pm: Finals if applicable 7pm: Awards Ceremony, with overall winner announcements |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th Sounds great. Thanks John! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th I created a thread for team judging and course building here. http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/2014-...ml#post5267631 Since this is the first large event I have organized in years, we are scheduling 4 courses for 2.2s and 2.2p, and 3 courses for smaller classes. If more folks step up to be team captains and there is enough entry into the class for more than 5 people per team, we will increase the number of courses. I think 4 is a good number to ensure everybody can finish and that we aren't running late. 4 courses will also allow us to start drivers at 9am, and start course building at 7am. Starting at 6 doesn't seem like the best way to keep the event fun IMO. As has been stated, the bulk of the event will depend on everybody and not just myself. I'm not the best course creator, I'm not the best judge, but I was the only person willing to take over this organization. So I'll certainly do my best to get it well organized and planned, but I'm sure there will be plenty of room to improve things in 2016! |
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I hope there will be more than 20 drivers in 2.2pro?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th And whats the plan if 100 show up? |
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Must have 6 courses then?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th I think that if you do the dollar per course idea each judge should get a commemorative worlds G-string.;-) It is Vegas after all. The idea of two shifts would also be good. That way no one would be stuck All day judging. Other drivers in line could easily serve as time keepers. This would give the consistency this level of comp deserves. Now to find some good unselfish people who would be willing to be in service."thumbsup" |
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The Team Format is scalable for any size crowd, and judging is somewhat consistent because all the judges are at least familiar with the course and its quirks. If you want to see guys pulling the clipboard out of each others hands charge $5 per course :twisted: |
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Staggered starts needs more jugdes?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th I only have experience in the team aspect or permanent judges. The team format works great. The thought of having to pay people to help is just weird to me. Whatever works. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Judging is a job that most do not like to do but we don't just need it done, we want it done well. Pay the man. Heck, tip him and then award the ones that do the job well. |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th I didn't say I was apposed to it doub. All I'm saying is I paid to be a judge last year...To be at worlds is a big deal. I hope there is no one that simply wouldn't volunteer. My wife who's coming typically judges full time at every comp. She can't this year because she's spotting for me this worlds:). Should be a riot!! Lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th Oh I don't think anyone would appose it, I didn't take it that way. But I'd bet if given the choice, majority of us would rather not judge. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th Just to play devil's advocate.. We've lost some good men lately, at work. The company doesn't want to pay but wants top notch operator's, laborer's, etc.. They want us to get there for free, eat free, travel from the office (which is out of the way) then to the job. Like gas is free.. To the point where it actually costs money to simply go to work! So ppl get fired, quit, or do a horrible job. 2 sides of this... 1. We want good, consistent, judging. By someone that is happy to do it and compensated for it.. 2. We spend boat loads on rigs, tickets, travel, food, etc, etc, etc.. Now we are talking about paying for judging.. It costs money to put on the event, cost money to do what we love, costs money to travel, cost, costs, costs.. Don't we pay enough to play with toy trucks? Now we are talking about paying the judges, out of the drivers pockets.. What happen to the ticket idea? Everyone gets 5 tickets, per class (or a ticket per course in said class) If you put the time in and judge, you have tickets at the end of the day. If you don't judge, you have no tickets.. Then the tickets can be handed in for, money, choice of prize/giveaway, compensation(for the work of judging).... That doesn't continue to come out of the competitor's pocket... I don't go to a wedding to pay the catering service employees.. I pay for my food ticket and the catering service pays them. I don't mind judging nor do I mind keeping time, while I stand in line. It's a Great way to learn the course while you wait! Judge 5 guys and cut in line for that course. All good ideas that have been mentioned this year or last.. Some guys don't want to feel forced into judging or spend a grand or 2, just to pay to drive each course (above already paying for the class) |
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I hear ya. I was glad to be going on a drivers ticket and not a judges ticket. I just have faith in our community ( which is strange because I'm the guy with no faith in humanity ). I know we will pull together and make it great. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th Im still finalizing travel plans. But as soon as im absolutely sure when I'll be there. I'll be the first to volunteer to judge. I actually enjoy it. Its a great way to meet the people youve watched type on line for months and years. |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th Great attitude, Curcal. "thumbsup" |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th I agree. Getting a free pass to watch the course is a no brainer. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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If you guys can handle my bad english, i can also jugde if needed.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Math is the reason I shy away but that's why I bring the old lady to verify. Lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Tickets work. The idea of paying dollars is not cost drivers more $$$ its to balance the work load. I have said my piece and out on this topic, |
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I really hope the number of courses can be reconsidered? 2.2p is the bread and butter. The majority of us show up for this class. To short it just to cram in other classes that many/most do not care about does not make sense. I think you have to give us a great 2.2p class with lots of courses. If 2.2p does not go well and people dont have a good time with it, I would go so far to say that the whole hobby will die with it. 3 or 4 courses does not find a winner. You need more courses to find a better average. When you have that few of courses, it then all comes down to luck and course knowledge, many courses finds the true champion. It takes the same time for 50 competitors to do 1 course as it would take 50 competitors to do 50 courses. The only reason it would take longer to run the courses is if the competitors do not run them in a timely fashion. At BOTW, I set it up so you had to run courses in a certain order. It went great and we were able to do 8 courses even with a significant rain delay. I will wake up and set up every course if it brings us more courses. I know many others are willing to take this sacrifice too. 4-5am is not too big of a deal to me, probably wont be able to sleep past 5 anyway. I am lucky that I am close to this location. I sympathize for the guys that have a long way to travel and a lot more money that needs to be spent. I imagine some of these guys could be spending $2k on this trip? I then think, how much are they paying per course if you were just to show up for 2.2p. Wow! Thats $500 PER COURSE! $100 PER MINUTE! Thats crazy! I really think its owed to everybody to pack in as much drive time as possible. There is no doubt I can make this happen even if its just me pulling all the weight and I am willing to do it. Again, sorry for the rant and I hope you dont take it personal as that is not the intention. I, like you and everybody else, just want to have a fun filled comp. |
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Yes, we are crazy and we love it :-) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th I'm not showing Liz the the math Erik came up with! I hope for more pro courses as well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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It makes the, price per course, look cheap! Lol... |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th Erik I got your back! |
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Haha!! I've done that math! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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One of the best things about BOTW2015 was the fact that there were EIGHT courses. It went super smooth and did I mention that there were EIGHT courses. Eight.........:twisted: |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th I am also a fan of more pro courses, it is the primary class for the BC guys coming this year. Shafty, 1.9, Super those are all just for fun cause we are there anyway. As for the judging, I have gone back and forth in my head half a dozen different directions to think about a great solution to this. As far as I see it here are the key factors. 1. You need consistent judges that know their $hit, can make the right calls, and know what is going on. And they have to have the sack to tell an upset driver, "That's how I saw it, I am sorry you don't agree". 2. Nobody wants to be stapled to one course all day having to judge it. This is what happens with a small amount of dedicated judges, to the course captains (in team format) or to the people who are to generous for their own good. I am coming a long way for this event, spending my vacation time and money. I want to have fun, drive great courses, and see people I only get to see once a year. That being said, I am more than happy to help, I have captained teams, I have run events and I have built finals courses. Ask me to judge Pro for an hour, build a course, or judge 5 guys while I am waiting in line.... NO PROBLEM, but I don't want to be the guy stuck watching one course all day or wondering where the rest of my team went. In my mind the thing I keep coming back to is that this is WORLDS. We can compare it to other events and how different formats work but to me it should not be like other events, it should be Epic, World Class, and Special. Particularly if you want people to fork over the cash and travel long distances for it year after year. Good luck decoding that, sorry for the mini rant "thumbsup" |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th Maybe a combo of team and shift judging can accomplish this. If a team of 5 to 8 guys only has to man a course for the am or pm. I think the work load will be managable. And if it so happens that 2 of those 5 to 8 man the course half the day. Its still only half the day..... |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th Got a couple ides while sitting at my desk.... jude incentives: 1. Free/refunded class entry. (This will be reserved for those if its decided we will have 1 to 3 decicated judges per course.) 2. Extra tickets for giveaway. 3. Judges only drawing (i won the embroidered bag from Az its sick) 4. Voting for most valuable judge. (Comitte vote... how committe is selected is up for discussion) 5. Voting for most valuable judge (competion field.... each driver will have to write down course number, judge, and a 1to10 rating based on how good the judge did. Ie was judge lazy vs on the spot good with time, attitude, consistancy from driver to driver when judging.... so on so forth best score for the class gets a cool prize or judging trophy [some of us have got to be good at something]) These are just the ones i had in the last 10min so i cam probably come up with more. |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th BC-Brian's comments were bang on. We're just over a month away from the main event and we're still discussing number of courses and how they are going to be judged. I watched every available video of last year's World's in RI and read most of the comments after the fact and nobody seemed to complain. How were the World's judged last year? Did it work? If so, why change? Also, last year, I believe there were 6 Pro preliminary courses and one final. Did it work? If so, why change? |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th New comp organizer is looking for competitor input. I think JRH (please correct me if I'm wrong) wants us all to take a bit more ownership for our hobby. |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th Nothing wrong with some fresh ideas from seasoned drivers and new guys. As we all know innovation moves this sport forward. I personally like hearing other possible ideas on how to make an event run. In the end it is up to the decision of JRH how to move forward. No matter what he ends up deciding on, someone will always have an issue with it. There is no way to please everyone. Worlds/Nationals in my mind has always been about stunning locations, great people and sick and fun courses. It is up to all of the people involved in it to make it a success. |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th Yes, I understand there's nothing wrong with some fresh ideas, but sometimes the tried and true way is the best way. So far the two main stumbling blocks have been the judging format and the number of courses. I wasn't at World's last year so I have no clue as to how the judging went. Was it satisfactory? Or was it so poor we need to change things this year? I definitely agree with those who have posted above with concerns about having only 4 Pro courses. 2.2 Pro is still the premiere class and it should have more than 4 courses to create an overall winner. Now JRH will likely have me by the short and curlies on this, but has he jammed up the event with so many classes that there is not enough time to accommodate more courses for Pro? |
Re: 2015 RC Crawling Worlds- Las Vegas Sept 11, 12, 13th Worlds ran perfectly last year. This isn't the same event. It's clear that the scale aspect ( as much as I don't care for scale) is growing or it's an opportunity to show the scale guys how bad ass the pro side is and hope they build and join us. This years menu can't be compared to last years or the north east qualifier. It's just totally different. With that being said, Erik and Kev said it best. If we want more courses, we get up and bust our asses to set, run and judge more. I find it hard to believe JH would say no to the idea if we make it happen. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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