Modded Wraith.. C2 possibly?

[jkabee]

I've recently decided to build another scaler/crawler after missing my scx10 based wrangler for a year or so. I really like the wraith chassis, but I like the scale look of the scx10s. I'm STRONGLY considering buying a writh chassis and putting scx10 axles under it and modding hte wheelbase a bit to make it look more scale friendly. I've poked around the site and seen this question *asked*, but I haven't seen a definitive annswer so I'm asking formally in the rules section of our forum: Can the Wraith be modded to fit into Class 2? I'm sure C1 is out of the question, but if I bring the wheels closer to the body with scx10 axles, shorten the wheelbase a bit, and meet all other C2 requirements, can I run it in C2? If anyone has official word, please post here.. otherwise, I'm getting another scx10 and starting there.

[TURTLE]

As of right now it is not a legal platform for the C2 class. The Wraith chassis is considered a full tube frame chassis. For class 2 the vehicle must have a ladder frame chassis or at least the front of a ladder frame (I.E. truggy).

[jkabee]

Thanks Turtle. I'm not sure how I missed that point when reading the darn rules 5 times. Well, I guess that answers my question. Too bad too. I still may build one just for fun.

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

Looks just as scale as any C2 I seen at NWSC.

Maybe it's just because the rule was written before the wraith came out?

As far as a performance advantage, I don't see one. Both the scx & wraith have fixed link mounts on the skid.

I think this is something the rules committee should address.

[TURTLE]

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

Looks just as scale as any C2 I seen at NWSC.

Maybe it's just because the rule was written before the wraith came out?

As far as a performance advantage, I don't see one. Both the scx & wraith have fixed link mounts on the skid.

I think this is something the rules committee should address.

But where do you draw the line? If the Wraith is allowed why would something like a campbell buggy not be allowed?

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

Looks just as scale as any C2 I seen at NWSC.

Maybe it's just because the rule was written before the wraith came out?

As far as a performance advantage, I don't see one. Both the scx & wraith have fixed link mounts on the skid.

I think this is something the rules committee should address.

It has been discussed and even though that particular truck looks like a Class 2 rig, by opening Class 2 to tubers you are just opening a huge can of worms. Do you guys think a tube chassied Wraith with small tires is what you think of when you say "Class 2"?

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

Originally Posted by TURTLE

But where do you draw the line? If the Wraith is allowed why would something like a campbell buggy not be allowed?

Originally Posted by War Pig

It has been discussed and even though that particular truck looks like a Class 2 rig, by opening Class 2 to tubers you are just opening a huge can of worms. Do you guys think a tube chassied Wraith with small tires is what you think of when you say "Class 2"?

I agree & see it both ways. Maybe I just don't look for loopholes.

Maybe restricting it to unmodified plastic wraith chassis' w/production body shell/panels?

[Dready]

They do look good with big 1.9's on

[Waiting Dragon]

I do not think 100% tube frame vehicles are DOT aproved and street legal in the 1:1 world. And to me a ladder frame chopped down and heavily modified sounds more like something we would see on the streets, a daily driver multi purpose trail machine, from home to work and back, and off to the weekend's trail fun without having to get towed to the trail. That to me is what a C2 truck probably should resemble.

This is just my opinion and I cross my fingers this does not end up like the comp crawling debate we are experiencing.

[Meatwad]

I originally wanted to run my 1.9 wraith in c2 but as was said, my interpretation of the rules and in the spirit of the class it just doesn't fit. It's a full tube chassis, be it metal or plastic.

The chassis really doesn't offer any advantages performance-wise imo, just looks damn cool with narrow axles.

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

Originally Posted by Waiting Dragon

I do not think 100% tube frame vehicles are DOT aproved and street legal in the 1:1 world. And to me a ladder frame chopped down and heavily modified sounds more like something we would see on the streets, a daily driver multi purpose trail machine, from home to work and back, and off to the weekend's trail fun without having to get towed to the trail. That to me is what a C2 truck probably should resemble.

Your description sounds more like C1 to me.

Originally Posted by Waiting Dragon

This is just my opinion and I cross my fingers this does not end up like the comp crawling debate we are experiencing.

Don't know about that, don't care.

Originally Posted by Meatwad

I originally wanted to run my 1.9 wraith in c2 but as was said, my interpretation of the rules and in the spirit of the class it just doesn't fit. It's a full tube chassis, be it metal or plastic.

The chassis really doesn't offer any advantages performance-wise imo, just looks damn cool with narrow axles.

It does look cool. I don't really care either way, I just pointed out it can be a scale C2 rig & in some cases, scale-er than some C2's I've seen here.

[doublej]

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

Your description sounds more like C1 to me.

I have always been alittle confused with the labels: "Street, Trail, Modified". But by reading over the rules time and time again it seems the intention was Stock, Modified, Extreme.

I could see a stock plastic chassis'ed wraith running C2 but I think it would need to be just that. As WarPig and Turtle said - If you allow any tube buggy into class3 I think you will get the same agrument as C3. Should a tiny WeRock buggy be driving agains say Team3Six UA Tacoma?

[spookyseven]

I don't mean to open a can of worms but someone is going to say it. What about cutting a scx frame to behind the skid and attaching it to a wraith frame? I know it would take some work and you would end up with a frankenscxwraithtruggy, but the way the rules are written it would be legal.

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by spookyseven

I don't mean to open a can of worms but someone is going to say it. What about cutting a scx frame to behind the skid and attaching it to a wraith frame? I know it would take some work and you would end up with a frankenscxwraithtruggy, but the way the rules are written it would be legal.

I suppose that would be legal, but I really wonder if it would be worth the trouble. Basically the rules are there to try and keep a fairly level playing field in all classes. We want them to be simple enough that they are easy to use, understand and implement. Allowing one tuber in a class that it really shouldn't be in just isn't fair to everyone. The Wraith was built as a Class 3/rock racer rig and that's where it should stay. There are plenty of options to build a great Class 2 rig without touching a Wraith. Thanks for the replies and arguments guys! Keep 'em coming.....

[sally1800]

Originally Posted by spookyseven

I don't mean to open a can of worms but someone is going to say it. What about cutting a scx frame to behind the skid and attaching it to a wraith frame? I know it would take some work and you would end up with a frankenscxwraithtruggy, but the way the rules are written it would be legal.

Originally Posted by War Pig

I suppose that would be legal, but I really wonder if it would be worth the trouble. Basically the rules are there to try and keep a fairly level playing field in all classes. We want them to be simple enough that they are easy to use, understand and implement. Allowing one tuber in a class that it really shouldn't be in just isn't fair to everyone. The Wraith was built as a Class 3/rock racer rig and that's where it should stay. There are plenty of options to build a great Class 2 rig without touching a Wraith. Thanks for the replies and arguments guys! Keep 'em coming.....

Why are Truggys allow into Class 2

Truggy is KInda half Tuber?

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by sally1800

Why are Truggys allow into Class 2

Truggy is KInda half Tuber?

They typically have at least half a body and are recognizable. Most full tubers have panels and don't resemble a real truck.

Would you date someone that was kinda half woman?

[sally1800]

Originally Posted by War Pig

They typically have at least half a body and are recognizable. Most full tubers have panels and don't resemble a real truck.

Would you date someone that was kinda half woman?

Full Tuber with very clear body. want or need more?



Can easy throw class two tires if you need.

[War Pig]

OK, so that's one out of how many tubers that look like a real rig? We just don't want everyone deciding to build tubers in Class 2. I think most people agree that this is best for the class.

You didn't answer my half woman question.....or does it hit a little too close to home?

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

I'll agree, disallowing 1 plastic tuber to keep the entire class from turning in to tubers is the best idea.

[sally1800]

Originally Posted by War Pig

OK, so that's one out of how many tubers that look like a real rig? We just don't want everyone deciding to build tubers in Class 2. I think most people agree that this is best for the class.

You didn't answer my half woman question.....or does it hit a little too close to home?

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

I'll agree, disallowing 1 plastic tuber to keep the entire class from turning in to tubers is the best idea.

I am a Happily Married Man. But heck NO!!!!!


No Class2 Tuber

Heck I just don't feel Truggy should be Class 2. That's my point.

I have never seen a Truggy driven down the roads here.