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CoreyK · 11-11-2005, 08:22 PM

Im planning on starting to make tubers and such i was wondering if this would be a good set? http://store.weldingdepot.com/cgi/we...2GKA50-TC.html

if not can u get me a link to a good brazing set thanks

Fishmaxx · 11-11-2005, 09:06 PM

Go to the home page. Alll the info you need is there, and you will save about $200

LINK

TwistedCreations · 11-11-2005, 10:11 PM

no, that is not what you want... well, unles you are gonna start torching on a 1:1 truck... you just need a mapp torch ( like for plumbing) but instead of propane, use a bottle of mapp..

CoreyK · 11-12-2005, 02:30 PM

Can someone get me a link to exactly what i need like, the map gass stuff, torches etc........?

TwistedCreations · 11-12-2005, 05:31 PM

just go to homedepot and look in the tools section.. ask a salesperson for a propane torch.. but instead of propane, you will need a mapp gas tank.. its very easy

edit- just as easy as typing in "propane torch" into the google search bar http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...1&TYPE=froogle

CustomCrawler · 11-12-2005, 06:14 PM

I've used all three, mapp, mapp/oxy and oxy/acetylene. In my opinion, an oxy/acetylene torch like you posted is overkill, especially for thin walled brake line. I'd go with a mapp/oxy torch which is much cheaper since there is no regulators and the tanks are disposable. But expect to go through a lot of oxy tanks, and at $8 a pop, they are not cheap.

If you use mostly solid rod and you are lazy like me, use oxy/acetylene. I have a torch kit like that, but I have 40 and 55 cu ft bottles.

phantom309 · 11-15-2005, 07:00 AM

the torch you posted a link to is what i have, and use extensively. Granted, i also Acetylene weld some sheet metal, and do a bit of work on 1:1 vehicles too. I've found that using this setup, with either a #1, 0, or 00 will work just fine for brazing, just make sure your feather is about 1/8 +/- and if you can hear your flame, you're too hot. i'm in the process of brazing up my first tuber as well.

Overkill on little stuff, maybe, but you won't be refilling or replacing bottles as offten as the little rigs, AND if you need it for 1:1 project, you'll be happy you have it, because theres nothing worse than running out of juice on a sunday and no one is open for a refill.....

I upsized my bottles from the original ones to 1 size bigger, and i've been brazing, welding, cutting w/ them for about 6 months, and refills are (around here) approximately 30 - 50.00 for a refil of oxy, and acetylene.

just remember to get #1, 0, 0r 00 tips for it, those are Acetylene welding tips, FAR DIFFERENT from the cutting head on the torch as pictured.
hope this helps.

chadmandry · 11-28-2005, 10:33 AM

I was ebaying mapp torches and just a bunch of these came up:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Surefire-Bernzom...QQcmdZViewItem
I haven't built a frame yet, so I don't really know what all in considered a good torch. I know you can buy the propane ones at HD and get the mapp tanks, but is the link I provided what they mainly look like or sufficient?

I don't know if it matters or not, but I am planning on going with brake tubing, not solid rod.

WRMorrison · 11-28-2005, 10:53 AM

I'll throw in my .02.

If you work on 1:1 rigs as well, get an oxy/acetylene rig with as big of bottles as you can afford. You won't regret it. Then, buy a jeweler's torch kit for doing the brazing.

If it's just tubers you'll be using it for, go to HD and buy the mapp kit. I couldn't find a link, but I was there the other day and they had a kit with two bottles of mapp and the self-igniting torch for $39.95.

I bought the kit that uses oxygen and mapp, and while it works great, you'll go through oxygen like it's going out of style. And that, can get expensive in a hurry.

Then, find a local welding supply shop. DON'T get the flux/brazing rod from HD, you'll probably regret it. Buy a jar of Harris stay-silv flux, and a small roll of #45 brazing rod. Either 1/16" or 1/32" will work well, but I prefer the 1/16".

If you're like me, you'll find the brazing to be extrememly easy compared to bending the tubing in the shape you want.

Another tip, buy at least five 4' sticks for the first tuber. After you ruin the first 2 or 3 sticks, you should have enough left over to build a tuber.

Good luck, and let us see it when you're finished.

-WRM

chadmandry · 11-28-2005, 11:22 AM

thanks WRMorrison....I'll buy the materials this weekend. I appreciate the input. I'm an admin from another RC Forum and have been lurking around this place for a while. I think I'm ready to get knee deep the the crawling world and give nitro MT a break for a little bit.

ILoveRCRockCrawlin · 11-28-2005, 04:45 PM

alright so let me get this straight. all you need is a mapp torch? would that provide enough heat for solid 3/16 or 1/4 inch steel rods?

WRMorrison · 11-28-2005, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILoveRCRockCrawlin

alright so let me get this straight. all you need is a mapp torch? would that provide enough heat for solid 3/16 or 1/4 inch steel rods?

NO. MAPP is for brazing, using 1/16 or 1/32 BRAZING rods. Think about it. They don't even make brazing rod 3/16 or 1/4" Ø that I'm aware of. And if they did they're not solid steel, and I sure as hell wouldn't use it as a filler rod. I'd just arc/mig weld it.

Unless, you're referring to 3/16 or 1/4" rod that the actual chassis is made from. If so, I wouldn't use solid rod, as it would be too heavy. Maybe for bracing in select places, but definitely not the entire chassis. Besides, you're not really fusing the metals together, you're just adding a filler metal between the two to attach them.

ILoveRCRockCrawlin · 11-28-2005, 06:00 PM

yea i was referring to brazing 3/16 or 1/4 rod for the chassis. well do you think mapp would be fine for solid 3/16 or 1/4 solid rod?

WRMorrison · 11-28-2005, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILoveRCRockCrawlin

yea i was referring to brazing 3/16 or 1/4 rod for the chassis. well do you think mapp would be fine for solid 3/16 or 1/4 solid rod?

If you're building a chassis out of 3/16" or 1/4" solid rod, and using 1/16" brazing rod...then yes, it will work.

ILoveRCRockCrawlin · 11-28-2005, 06:30 PM

ok thanks that was the answer i was originally looking for.

TwistedCreations · 11-28-2005, 06:38 PM

well your gonna be sitting there for a long time waiting for that solid steel to heat up with just using mapp gas

WRMorrison · 11-28-2005, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedCreations

well your gonna be sitting there for a long time waiting for that solid steel to heat up with just using mapp gas

True

JakeDaSnake · 12-15-2005, 09:34 PM

hey guys, I just ordered the Oxy/Ace. torch kit at the top of the page, how long would the bottles last?

Later,
Jake

11-11-2005, 09:06 PM	#2
Fishmaxx I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: on a Big Rock Posts: 7,837	Go to the home page. Alll the info you need is there, and you will save about $200 LINK Last edited by Fishmaxx; 11-11-2005 at 09:08 PM.

11-12-2005, 05:31 PM	#5
TwistedCreations Colt Python/SR9c Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: out in the shop, reloading ammo! Posts: 8,626	just go to homedepot and look in the tools section.. ask a salesperson for a propane torch.. but instead of propane, you will need a mapp gas tank.. its very easy edit- just as easy as typing in "propane torch" into the google search bar http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...1&TYPE=froogle Last edited by TwistedCreations; 11-12-2005 at 05:35 PM.

11-15-2005, 07:00 AM	#7
phantom309 Rock Stacker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Topeka area Posts: 58	torch the torch you posted a link to is what i have, and use extensively. Granted, i also Acetylene weld some sheet metal, and do a bit of work on 1:1 vehicles too. I've found that using this setup, with either a #1, 0, or 00 will work just fine for brazing, just make sure your feather is about 1/8 +/- and if you can hear your flame, you're too hot. i'm in the process of brazing up my first tuber as well. Overkill on little stuff, maybe, but you won't be refilling or replacing bottles as offten as the little rigs, AND if you need it for 1:1 project, you'll be happy you have it, because theres nothing worse than running out of juice on a sunday and no one is open for a refill..... I upsized my bottles from the original ones to 1 size bigger, and i've been brazing, welding, cutting w/ them for about 6 months, and refills are (around here) approximately 30 - 50.00 for a refil of oxy, and acetylene. just remember to get #1, 0, 0r 00 tips for it, those are Acetylene welding tips, FAR DIFFERENT from the cutting head on the torch as pictured. hope this helps.

11-11-2005, 08:22 PM	#1
CoreyK Rock Crawler Join Date: May 2005 Location: In front of my comp Posts: 836	Brazing question Im planning on starting to make tubers and such i was wondering if this would be a good set? http://store.weldingdepot.com/cgi/we...2GKA50-TC.html if not can u get me a link to a good brazing set thanks

11-11-2005, 10:11 PM	#3
TwistedCreations Colt Python/SR9c Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: out in the shop, reloading ammo! Posts: 8,626	no, that is not what you want... well, unles you are gonna start torching on a 1:1 truck... you just need a mapp torch ( like for plumbing) but instead of propane, use a bottle of mapp..

11-12-2005, 02:30 PM	#4
CoreyK Rock Crawler Join Date: May 2005 Location: In front of my comp Posts: 836	Can someone get me a link to exactly what i need like, the map gass stuff, torches etc........?

11-12-2005, 06:14 PM	#6
CustomCrawler Rock Crawler Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: SW, Connecticut Posts: 685	I've used all three, mapp, mapp/oxy and oxy/acetylene. In my opinion, an oxy/acetylene torch like you posted is overkill, especially for thin walled brake line. I'd go with a mapp/oxy torch which is much cheaper since there is no regulators and the tanks are disposable. But expect to go through a lot of oxy tanks, and at $8 a pop, they are not cheap. If you use mostly solid rod and you are lazy like me, use oxy/acetylene. I have a torch kit like that, but I have 40 and 55 cu ft bottles.

11-28-2005, 10:33 AM	#8
chadmandry Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 24	I was ebaying mapp torches and just a bunch of these came up: http://cgi.ebay.com/Surefire-Bernzom...QQcmdZViewItem I haven't built a frame yet, so I don't really know what all in considered a good torch. I know you can buy the propane ones at HD and get the mapp tanks, but is the link I provided what they mainly look like or sufficient? I don't know if it matters or not, but I am planning on going with brake tubing, not solid rod.

11-28-2005, 10:53 AM	#9
WRMorrison Rock Crawler Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Land of the Free, because of the Brave Posts: 891	I'll throw in my .02. If you work on 1:1 rigs as well, get an oxy/acetylene rig with as big of bottles as you can afford. You won't regret it. Then, buy a jeweler's torch kit for doing the brazing. If it's just tubers you'll be using it for, go to HD and buy the mapp kit. I couldn't find a link, but I was there the other day and they had a kit with two bottles of mapp and the self-igniting torch for $39.95. I bought the kit that uses oxygen and mapp, and while it works great, you'll go through oxygen like it's going out of style. And that, can get expensive in a hurry. Then, find a local welding supply shop. DON'T get the flux/brazing rod from HD, you'll probably regret it. Buy a jar of Harris stay-silv flux, and a small roll of #45 brazing rod. Either 1/16" or 1/32" will work well, but I prefer the 1/16". If you're like me, you'll find the brazing to be extrememly easy compared to bending the tubing in the shape you want. Another tip, buy at least five 4' sticks for the first tuber. After you ruin the first 2 or 3 sticks, you should have enough left over to build a tuber. Good luck, and let us see it when you're finished. -WRM

11-28-2005, 11:22 AM	#10
chadmandry Newbie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 24	thanks WRMorrison....I'll buy the materials this weekend. I appreciate the input. I'm an admin from another RC Forum and have been lurking around this place for a while. I think I'm ready to get knee deep the the crawling world and give nitro MT a break for a little bit.

11-28-2005, 04:45 PM	#11
ILoveRCRockCrawlin RCC Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Central NY Posts: 1,980	alright so let me get this straight. all you need is a mapp torch? would that provide enough heat for solid 3/16 or 1/4 inch steel rods?

11-28-2005, 06:00 PM	#13
ILoveRCRockCrawlin RCC Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Central NY Posts: 1,980	yea i was referring to brazing 3/16 or 1/4 rod for the chassis. well do you think mapp would be fine for solid 3/16 or 1/4 solid rod?

11-28-2005, 06:30 PM	#15
ILoveRCRockCrawlin RCC Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Central NY Posts: 1,980	ok thanks that was the answer i was originally looking for.

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11-28-2005, 06:38 PM	#16
TwistedCreations Colt Python/SR9c Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: out in the shop, reloading ammo! Posts: 8,626	well your gonna be sitting there for a long time waiting for that solid steel to heat up with just using mapp gas

12-15-2005, 09:34 PM	#18
JakeDaSnake Quarry Creeper Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mobile AL Posts: 217	hey guys, I just ordered the Oxy/Ace. torch kit at the top of the page, how long would the bottles last? Later, Jake

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