Petition/poll ~ Keep bodiless rigs in Sportsman!!!!

[jimmyshor]

I just don't f...king belive it ! Come on...all the issues of RC Crawling were solved, that was the last one on the list. Even i dont do comps (not so popular in my country), i own 3 crawlers (2 shafty and 1 MOA). 1 shafty is bodyless. The other one, running Bender's Chassis is going to be transformed into a bodyless (not decided yet though).

Well, congratulations, gentlemens !!
You managed to:
a) take a p1ss at the designer;s work. What the hell - months and days of hard work to build something ... you can trash it right ?
b) take a p1ss at the freedom of that branch of RC racing. As someone else stated before, crawling is a very particular branch, where creativity and freedom mean a lot.
c) take a p1ss at those who already own a bodyless rig.

Remember this:
a) it's not the chassis that wins a comp...it's the driver.
b) freedom and creativity brought RC Crawling to the level where it stands today

All the best to you all !

 

[C*H*U*D]

Breaking down to different classes is a horrible idea, sporty, pro shaft bla bla bla..

I agree. I think they should have different classifications though. "Beginner" and "Pro". All Sportsman class drivers are on the same course, but when the points are entered, if your score sheet says "Pro", you go into one spreadsheet, and if it says "Beginner" you go onto another. That way there is no need for extra judging, courses or time. Same thing for 1.9, 2.2 and Super.

I know the argument is that the courses will be too hard for beginners. So what? What's a better way to learn than to see better drivers doing the same course as you?

 

[Highlucks]

In order to make a point, I used my moonbuggy sportsman.

Here's how it looked as I would like to run it:

Since that won't be legal, I pulled the cab, cut a chassis brace for the motor side, trimmed a body (which I left 1/4" larger than all minimum requirments), and mounted it.

So, does it really look that much better with a body?

So how does this work. for a UGC fast back. Which in my opinion is one of the chassis' that helped to define this class.


Keep sportsman and listen to the public. From what I can tell you all dislike Obama because he goes against what you want . But can not help but follow in his foot steps.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

So how does this work. for a UGC fast back. Which in my opinion is one of the chassis' that helped to define this class.

Since you can't take the top off without losing shock mounts, you'll have to leave it in place and stick a body over it. :roll:

And remember that the rules state that a bodiless rig must be 3.75" tall, whereas a bodied rig only has to be 3" tall. A bodied rig has to be wider too, 5" across vs the bodiless 3".

So "simply" sticking a body on a bodiless rig would make you 5" wide and 3.75" tall no matter what.

You'll also have the weight of the cab PLUS the extra weight of a body.

All this really hurts when you're trying to keep weight down, trying to keep weight off of the chassis, and trying to keep the COG as low as possible.

 

[Stormin2u]

Its been discussed, and I confirmed it with someone in the know: the rules committee has voted to kill bodiless rigs in Sportsman!

Thats right! All the vendors who have been designing and investing money and time into these products for us have wasted their time! All of us who have purchased these great products will soon no longer be able to use them!

We do not need more rules in Sportsman! Just as this great class is picking up steam some people have shot it in the foot!

Vote here and voice your opinions! Your vote will remain anonymous if you don't want it known, but it is important that you do vote!

DO NOT LEAVE THIS THREAD WITHOUT CASTING YOUR VOTE!!!


To the committee members: we would all appreciate one of you coming forward and explaining the reasoning behind this!

General rules are good. Makes it fairer... Now this crap... You have to be joking. This is a bad bad idea! I have no beef against bodiless. Heck I drive one!

I think the rules comittie better read this soon or were going to have an ugly situation :evil:

This is all F ING stupid!

I just read this whole thread and have yet to read a "GOOD" reason for limiting an already very limited class... And yes all these small time vendors are going to loose a ton of money. Not to mention the time in testing and making the great products these guys produce for us.

YOUR ABSOLUTELY NUTS TO VOTE FOR THIS STUPID NEW RULE!!!!!

@ a number of points raised here... So those stupid arse 1/25 scale bodies that arose as 2.2 crawler bodies 4 or so years ago are supposed to make a rig look realistic? :shock:


I have heard an argument before that the cost should be kept lower in Sportsman and so, bodyless frames should not be allowed. My augment to that was... Who runs a stock chassis anyway?... and with the cost of decently formed body ($20 - $40), 3 to four cans of paint ($36 - $48 ) AUD you can buy a decent moon buggy chassis these days.

I voted keep them. I ran a bodyless Sporty and I suck. But I am pro choice on matters that really do not effect a: how the rig actually runs, and b: appearance.

Personally I think the rules need rehashed.
in scale we try to embrace the vendors who make these trucks and let's not forget also sponsor the events.
To flat out pretty much tell all the vendors thanks but , well that's not cool.
so is 1.9 killed off too?

well now, looks like they are still trying to kill off the sportsman class. What was the sportsman class started for? Oh thats right to get more people crawling and have an entry level class so BEGINNERS can compete and "pay their respective dues".

We have a local guy that can at any time take his BODIED sportsman rig and kick 98% of the bodiless moa classes butts.

I am pretty sure the class was not intended to make vendors richer.

AHH whatever, politics is slowly but surely killing another fun hobby.

1.9 is not dead yet. It will continue for at least 2012, and after that, however long that there is enough support. However, there are people trying to kill it. The only way to keep 1.9 going is to get people to keep interest in it. That's what kept the Super class alive for so long, and now it's starting to make a comeback. "thumbsup"

I've always heard that as the Rules Committee moved forward, they would not write rules that would ban anything already being run. This may or may not be true, but you can't deny the number of drivers out there with bodiless trucks now. If they had started Sportsman with a "No Bodiless" rule, then there would be no problem, but it's kind of late now.

I thought Sportsman was started because a lot of people had these great 2.2 Shafties sitting around, and wanted to still run them. Kind of like a Vintage class. I've never really liked the idea of "Sportsman" being synonymous with "Beginner". With the introduction of the XR-10, there are a lot of posts about a new driver buying an MOA to get started. In fact, many here give the advice of buying an MOA to a new driver if they say they want to compete. I don't think Sportsman is the only option for new drivers, which is why I don't understand this rule effecting Sporty only. If they really want to attract new drivers, why not ban bodiless across the board for all classes?

I agree with all the above members.

I VOTE ... THIS IS A PISS POOR RULING. :twisted:

We don't have a Sportsman beginers class it's a waist of money, new people are buying XR-10s that's a no brainier. We have zero Sportsman Class drivers in our club not one driver.

We as clubs want a 2.2 Open Shaft Class and yet the rules committee keeps pushing this non existent Sportsman Class that makes no sense at all because it HAS NO FUTURE, why would anyone invest in a formula with no future?

Just when you think were going somewhere we fall right back to where we've just been. This is SOOOOOOOOOOO frustrating :twisted:

Trying to understand this membership killing logic for the what ever the invisible reason just totally escapes me.

 

[Highlucks]

Since you can't take the top off without losing shock mounts, you'll have to leave it in place and stick a body over it. :roll:

Exactly, there goes countless man hours and dollars that Juan invested in developing a stand out chassis for the sportsman class as he knew it.

 

[mindless]

I dont really see how there is even an argument here with anything. Why cant we keep it simple. If you want to drive a shafty with a dig you are in 2.2 pro. If you do not have a dig on your shafty you can run sportsman. Who gives a flying funk about what chassis it is or how it looks.

 

[EvilTwin v2]

So how does this work. for a UGC fast back. Which in my opinion is one of the chassis' that helped to define this class.


Keep sportsman and listen to the public. From what I can tell you all dislike Obama because he goes against what you want . But can not help but follow in his foot steps.

I think you missed my point. I wasn't saying that you should just do that. I was saying that you are allowed to run some ridiculously ugly bodies.

 

[DiggyStyle]

Sounds like someone got there feelings hurt when they got worked by a Bodiless. I have tied a lot of money into my Sportman Rig's. But, if they want to play games. I will put a clear body on over the top of my bodiless builds, SO THEY CAN SEE WHATS HANDING THEM THEIR ASSES. Problem solved !

^^Yeah that!^^

 

[Highlucks]

I think you missed my point. I wasn't saying that you should just do that. I was saying that you are allowed to run some ridiculously ugly bodies.

I understand the point you are making. But try to mount any body that low over a Fastback or any bodiless rig with topper for that matter

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I VOTE ... THIS IS A PISS POOR RULING. :twisted:

Trying to understand this membership killing logic for the what ever the invisible reason just totally escapes me.

I would say "write your congressman", but since they wouldn't know wtf you were talking about, pm a rules committee member. Hell, pm all of them. "thumbsup"

 

[DRCrawlGood]

Its all driver I dont care what you run far as body or bodiless. I run a body on my sportsmen and I win alot but its not the only reason my truck is good. Seems like a petty arguement but whatever happens I know I'm good to go. "thumbsup"

 

[4xFord]

I voted but my vote is too custom for this thread. 8)

The same can be said about any part that has a regulation on it. Just change the class you want to run in. Example. I don't want to run 12.5" wheelbase so, I'll make a super, etc blah blah.

"Sportsman" isn't really a sportsman class these days anyways. It's good drivers with super custom trucks, minus digs or dual motors kicking butt.

In my opinion, there should be a sportsman class and a pro-shaft driven class. I know, more classes. I just don't think Jimmy-fresh-from-the-Hobbytown-RTR-Purchase should be running against Mr. Wicked Custom Shafty.

Is Jimmy going to go straight from the hobby shop to a national qualifier?

 

[4xFord]

Breaking down to different classes is a horrible idea, sporty, pro shaft bla bla bla. All its going to do is make a few ppl mad when they show up and dont have a class to run in. Keep them all together. Also so lets say someone builds a tuber to resemble a 1:1 tube chassis buggy, thats not going to be allowed to run with other rock crawlers. That seems idiotic to me.

Great point on tubers "thumbsup"

 

[dezfan]

I'll throw my considerable influence behind the bodiless movement.

I say we Occupy the Rules Committee.:ror:

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I'll throw my considerable influence behind the bodiless movement.

I say we Occupy the Rules Committee.:ror:

I'm working on it. But please leave the bongos and hemp sandals in the van.

Anybody have a listing of committee members?

 

[rocks for brains]

I think that when a new person comes to a comp with a bone stock rig and gets owned by somboady with a rig that has everything done to it. it just gives the newer guy drive to build his truck even better. this is what drives are hobbie. so i think the bodiless rigs should be able to go and comp in the sportsman class.

 

[dezfan]

I'm working on it. But please leave the bongos and hemp sandals in the van.

Anybody have a listing of committee members?

Search nOOb!

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[Duuuuuuuude]

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Good job. I'll make you my #1 just in case I get assasinated so you can carry on the fight. "thumbsup"

 

[dezfan]

Good job. I'll make you my #1 just in case I get assasinated so you can carry on the fight. "thumbsup"

Don't stand in front of me.;-)

Carry on, I'll return to my VRWC bunker now."thumbsup"