Petition/poll ~ Keep bodiless rigs in Sportsman!!!!

[krawlfreak]

Only when people won't elaborate on something that most of us aren't aware of. Grassroots is a term with a wide swing.

I believe the r/c members who have spoken have been very honest with you about all we know.

Believe it or not we are not sitting in a pentagram trying to steal.your first born.

 

[TURTLE]

I think you have,

Well your wrong.

I was just unaware of the fact that we insignificant members of RCC are here to make sure multimillion dollar manufacturers make their multimillions.

So then you really don't understand economics?
This hobby doesn't grow without those companies and the people that you seemed to have left out.

It really just seems your arguing for the sake of it.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I believe the r/c members who have spoken have been very honest with you about all we know.

Believe it or not we are not sitting in a pentagram trying to steal.your first born.

Then you know very little and that is fine. Give us information, give us clarification. If something is known or not known, lay it out for us, tell us how it is. It'll make us all feel better and understand more about what is going on.

 

[rock hard]

I believe the r/c members who have spoken have been very honest with you about all we know.

Believe it or not we are not sitting in a pentagram trying to steal.your first born.

J,you seem legit,but from this side of the aurgument it smells like sht


hey,this grass roots enough?
now,this looks more like our current bodiless choices than a lexan pos body to me

this was 2005,it doesnt make senxe to go against enovation

 

[krawlfreak]

Then you know very little and that is fine. Give us information, give us clarification. If something is known or not known, lay it out for us, tell us how it is. It'll make us all feel better and understand more about what is going on.

I am afraid I don't have it...but if I did it seems if it is not what you want to hear it will be wrong.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

So then you really don't understand economics?
This hobby doesn't grow without those companies and the people that you seemed to have left out.

I understand the need for big sponsorship. But we will not die without them. They are smart enough to go where they think they can make money. If they aren't, then we should not be the ones to prop them up.

And don't think for one second that even the smallest vendor here is insignificant. If you want them to turn on you, keep making comments like that. Our vendors here have done far more for us than the big megacorps have (a small number of companies excluded).

It really just seems your arguing for the sake of it.

I only argue when there is something that interests or effects me. Otherwise I have much better things to do.

 

[krawlfreak]

J,you seem legit,but from this side of the aurgument it smells like sht


hey,this grass roots enough?
now,this looks more like our current bodiless choices than a lexan pos body to me

this wa"thumbsup"s 2005,it doesnt make senxe to go against enovation

I don't know why you would think otherwise...

If it was within the rules yes

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I am afraid I don't have it...but if I did it seems if it is not what you want to hear it will be wrong.

You'd be surprised. If what you have lined out is true, then I would run that class as it really isn't any different than how sportsman is ran now.

I understand the need to accommodate noobs without them getting poopy pants and quitting, and I understand the need to accommodate digless shafties so that they don't have to fight against uber capable moa's.

What has gotten everyone wound up was referring to that class as sportsman, and that bodiless would no longer be allowed.

 

[krawlfreak]

You'd be surprised. If what you have lined out is true, then I would run that class as it really isn't any different than how sportsman is ran now.

I understand the need to accommodate noobs without them getting poopy pants and quitting, and I understand the need to accommodate digless shafties so that they don't have to fight against uber capable moa's.

What has gotten everyone wound up was referring to that class as sportsman, and that bodiless would no longer be allowed.

With the last 7 pages of this I am well aware of what the issues are.

But you are arguing about something that does not technically exist yet.

I say hold tight and see what comes of it. I assure you everyone has seen this thread that needs too.

 

[jokers_toys]

when i was a noob(still is :roll i ran my rig stock. with body trimmed and all. crawled for a while and did not get made cuz the other guys had a better running rig then me. but when i decided it was time for change i consulted Duuuuuuuude. he told me the rules and such. so i got what i liked a Bodiless rig not cuz it is what others run. not cuz i was pissy i could not keep up. but it was what worked best for me!

so if it is just to get more noods in then it is BS. cuz if ya feelings get hurt cuz you cant crawl as well as people. that have been at it a while. it is not for you.


I like the fact i have a class i don't have to drop ton's of cash to be comp worthy......but give us a choice damn it

GO BODILESS OR GO HOME!!!! SAVE THE BODILESS

 

[rock hard]

With the last 7 pages of this I am well aware of what the issues are.

But you are arguing about something that does not technically exist yet.

I say hold tight and see what comes of it. I assure you everyone has seen this thread that needs too.

the sprtsman class does exist

Bodied cars attract way more people to the hobby than bodiless.

this was mentioned in the sportsman section,after the issue arised that it was on the table to make the class body only.
its clear that the sprtsman class is what this rule affects,so aurguing otherwise is an insult to ones intellagence

and the post from turtle disturbs me
basically its ok to squash on a few little vendors and people,to get a heavy hitter in the ring.
sad way of looking at it IMO

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

With the last 7 pages of this I am well aware of what the issues are.

But you are arguing about something that does not technically exist yet.

I say hold tight and see what comes of it. I assure you everyone has seen this thread that needs too.

I have already accomplished what I set out to do, which was to alert the committee to the communities disapproval on the bodiless rule. We are all thankful that some of you have come forward to discuss it.

Had the semantics been laid out plainly and clearly early on much of this would have been avoided, but at the same time I'm glad they weren't because it really shows how committed we all are to the cause.

I have started as many threads directing people here, and have pm'd as many people as I feel I needed to. At this point in time there is no cause for me to go any further.

The ball is in the committees court and I hope that they will reconsider and officially respond wisely.

 

[Stormin2u]

Personally I feel like the 2.2 shaft class has been sidelined to many times for the benefit of to many other strategies that haven't worked to keep this hobby affordable or promote membership. That coupled with a really bad economy had a double whammy effect on membership.

The 2.2 shaft truck is one of the most popular crawling vehicles of all time and will go a long ways to restoring club level membership. It's time for it to take it's rightful place in our Hobby/Sport, and it should be allowed every option available and every new technology to show it's full potential.

The 2.2 Shaft class is just what this Hobby/Sport needs right now. If it is a true un-tampered with open 2.2 Shaft class. No other vehicle has the potential to bring back the members who already own them but became dis-satisfied with the grim future and a challenging class to run in were the rules were not on a level playing field.

Let this class finally have it's chance, one that it deserves and you will be surprised by what this old classic is still capable of doing for our Hobby/Sport. Just the rumors of it has already got the creativity and blood flowing again many of us like nothing before.

Our club the MNRCRC peaked with the 2.2 shafty leading the way. Comps took most of the day, parking and crowds were a problems. Today our club is comprised of only a fraction of the competitors we saw at the peak. The fact that a class for this formula wasn't created at that time then enabled the decline in our Hobby/Sport. Now is the time to make up for lost to much lost ground and weak membership and get our Hobby/Sport back on track.

Repeal the Body rule now and restore the 2.2 shaft truck to it's rightful place with it's own class and no restrictions.

Submitted with no disrespect to our hard working rules committee, we appreciate your hard work and dedication to our Hobby/Sport.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

"thumbsup"

Well said.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

At this point in time there is no cause for me to go any further.

I know this made it sound like I'm dropping the issue...but I'm not quite done. I don't think too many others are either.

Vote if you haven't, post up if you've got something to say!

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Just because its Monday and we're all going back to work and school doesn't mean we're done speaking our piece. Show your support and spread the word by displaying this avatar! "thumbsup"

 

[Stormin2u]

Great idea on the Avatar Duuude. "thumbsup"

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Great idea on the Avatar Duuude. "thumbsup"

Don't thank me, thank Highlucks. "thumbsup"

 

[C*H*U*D]

I missed the vote in rules as I was out of town with no ability to get connected. I just got pmed today about this new poll and I say power to the people.

It seems that there are members that did not/could not vote. This seems to be a pretty important decision, so is there anyway to get all of the r/c to vote on this?

This is going to be a new class (nationally).

So there are no rules impplemented yet.

So this is new from last night. Are you saying there is going to be a new national class in addition to Sportsman or is Sportsman becoming this new class? If it is a new class, with no rules implemented yet, then I say do what you guys feel is best. If Sportsman is to become this new class, then I think the rules are already there.

Can't it go both ways? Why create a stink when we don't really know whats going on?

This is just becoming apparent Ty. These arguments have swung 180 from what I've been hearing at the start. I heard it was for Sporty to be more Noob friendly. Now it seems there is a different class, and somehow Proline is involved.

...its taken 12 pages for anyone to make an attempt to understand what is going on for next season, and I have no idea if I'm even close to being right.

This is what has me wondering too. I went to sleep last night thinking one thing, and this morning it's all turned around.

How does anyone know what is good for a class that does not currently exist?

So is there going to be a new class?

The fact is that a few people and a couple small vendors don't pull weight when it comes to pulling in thousands of new drivers, multimillion dollar companies and their attention.

So then this is about attracting larger companies? I know us piss-ant vendors have no sway, but we do try to give people what they want. Why? Because we want it too. There is a very small percentage of vendors on here paying the mortgage by selling crawler parts. Many do it because they want the same parts that everyone else here wants. I don't do what I do for money...I do it because I enjoy seeing others have a good time with something I made, and to support a hobby I really enjoy. Once the bottom line drops too far for a big company, they're gone...us small guys will still be here.

I am sure it will be discussed and I am sure your opinions will be weighed...Hell I have told them myself.

For that Jeremy, I want to say thanks. There have been a few r/c members who have spoken up and it makes us feel we aren't just talking to ourselves.

I believe the r/c members who have spoken have been very honest with you about all we know.

I believe you and I honestly don't think this is a snow job. We just want to know what's going on as well since it seems this debate is a bit different than it was yesterday.

 

[CREEPERBOB]

I VOTED A COUPLE DAYS A GO BUT WAS ON MY WAY OUT TO DO SOMETHING.
I VOTE TO KEEP BODILESS CLASS BECAUSE I'VE GOT A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS INVESTED IN THIS CLASS WITH 4 RIGS :shock:.
I RAN BODILESS AT FIRST CAUSE THATS WHAT I RAN NITRO, THIS IS'NT NITRO AND BODIES SUCK PERIOD IN THIS CLASS.

THIS IS NOT A SCALE CLASS FOR CRIP SAKES :roll:.

HOPE THIS DOES'NT START TO AFFECT MY NEWLY FINISHED AND VERY EXPENSIVE SUPER NEXT.:roll: