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Do you believe in God,Heaven or Hell?

About those commandments; as a believer, if you were to commit murder, would that preclude you from entering heaven, as you understand the Christian religion?
If a Christian commits murder, the book of James in the New Testament tells us that there's a good chance that person isn't actually a Christian, in which case they would not be going to heaven.
 
Sorry, I had thought it was clear: the evidence is Creation.
The same 'creation' that is evidence of the process of life beginning billions of years ago, that there was no literal adam and eve, that there was no biblical global flood, that we and the other animals are not descended from a handful of surviving individuals?
Where else do you think it all came from?
I don't know. I am guessing that if I found out tomorrow that it wouldn't affect the price of milk at the market, or compel me to attack those that had come to a different conclusion.
And please don't say "the big bang" because the only one of those that's actually plausible is the TV sitcom. LOLZ
Big bang cosmology explains what followed the instantiation of the cosmos, not its origins. Are you an astrophysicist? I'm not.
I mean, seriously, to believe that something came from nothing without divine intervention?
I do not hold any beliefs on this subject.
But hey, if anyone would like to go down that rabbit trail, we could, for arguments' sake, do so.
Sure. As I don't have a horse in this race, I'll look to you to explain where your god came from. How long did this 'eternal' thing wait until it created the universe? Where was it before? And how did it do it?

Spare no details.
 
In the manner that you have presented it here, it certainly looks like it would come at the cost of my intellectual integrity.

And how am I to discern the validity of this "gift" that you proffer? Does it go without saying that it is only your particular denomination of your particular relgion that has it right? How was that decided?

Or is your offer a complete sham, only intended to bring followers (and their money) into a religious money machine that produces virtually nothing but a means of perpetuating itself? You may not even be aware that you yourself have been wrong all this time.

Are you infallible?

To answer your questions in reverse order, no I am not infallible, but God and His Word (the Bible) are.

I have no interest in your money, for the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, but as Jesus cared for people when He walked this earth, I too care about what happens to you and the others reading this. Does that make me wrong?

I couldn't care less about denominations or religions. God said it, and that settles it. It's written down in His Word for us to follow. Your move.

If your intellectual "integrity" costs you your eternal soul, what then? Will you choose to believe that your ways of thinking are higher than God's? Surely you can see what a rediculous mistake that would be, given the weight of the outcomes at stake. If you are truly interested in following your intellect, may I recommend:

https://www.amazon.com/Case-Christ-Journalists-Personal-Investigation-ebook/dp/B01863JLK2
 
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 1:16~17
 
God's Wrath against Sin
(Jeremiah 6:10-21; Jeremiah 25:15-33; Jonah 1:4-10; Acts 27:13-26)

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Romans
 
Why then did Dahmer go through the bother of getting baptized?

The religion of Jeffrey Dahmer, infamous serial killer
History tells us (in the very article you linked to, as a matter of fact) that Jeffrey Dahmer was not a Christian when he murdered people. At the end of his life he seems to have repented and turned to Christ, but without an opportunity to see any fruit, whether good or bad, from his life following this supposed conversion, it's tough to tell whether or not he was being authentic.

As a side note, in a video interview with Dr. James Dobson, Dahmer sites addiction to pornography as the driving force behind his 17 murders and canabalism.
 
Teng, what part of "we don't recognize scripture as authoritative text" do you not understand?

Spouting bible verses accomplishes nothing, apart from the incorrect assumption that you are doing something meaningful...
 
As a side note, in a video interview with Dr. James Dobson, Dahmer sites addiction to pornography as the driving force behind his 17 murders and canabalism.

Correlation is not causation. Plenty of people are addicted to pornography, but Dahmer level behavior is extraordinarily rare.

Also, a person cannot self diagnose their mental issues, especially those as deeply disturbing as Dahmers.
 
Sorry, I had thought it was clear:

No, it's not even close to being clear.

Where else do you think it all came from?

No idea, how about it was created by some alien life form??? That's just as plausible and provable as believing the universe was created by a singular god.

And please don't say "the big bang"

You won't accept a scientific explanation...... yet you're happy to believe a nonsensical story written in a book? Yeah right, there's some logic in that argument :lmao:
 
Again: can you, right now, choose to believe that gods are only characters in books, and then, say, later this week, choose to believe what you previously believed?
That's like asking, "Now that you know the earth is round, and rotates the sun, could you choose to believe that it's flat, and the center of the universe?" and then flip-flop back a few days later. Sure I could, but what would it prove, other than extreme wishy-washyness?
 
No idea, how about it was created by some alien life form??? That's just as plausible and provable as believing the universe was created by a singular god.

You won't accept a scientific explanation...... yet you're happy to believe a nonsensical story written in a book? Yeah right, there's some logic in that argument :lmao:

So you admit that you don't know but are unwilling to accept the existence and authority of a supreme being that He has written down for you?

And no, I won't accept a scientific theory that has no basis in reality because it does not address the more pertinent core issue of where it all came from. Scientists tell us that toast came out of the toaster, without explaining where the bread, toaster, or electricity came from, who made them, or even who pressed the "toast" button!
 
How about watch a short video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CulBuMCLg0

:)

p/s: I respect you and every members here. :)


I think we can all agree that at some point, the universe had a beginning. The real debate is what or who the prime mover was that brought about that beginning.

Science, at it's present point, can only reach back so far. While the prime mover is still not understood, the point of origin is. That is the Big Bang, the point where all of the matter in the universe sprung forth from an almost inconceivably small point.

I disagree with the claim that the cause must be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, and uncaused. We don't know what was on the other side of the BB.

Proclaiming in that scenario that God is the prime mover is purely an assumption and is the "God of the Gaps" argument, meaning that since we don't know, it has to be God, there can be no other answer. That is a dangerous argument to make because at some point, like many times in the past, science has blown right past Goddidit and provided a provable and testable explanation.

It is not impossible to believe in God and at the same time recognize that the understanding of our origin and universe at the time the bible was written was very poor at best. Science was not even a thing then, and all knowledge of the natural world was based largely on philosophy, meaning even the wisest of men just thought about things and settled on what made the most sense.

The prime mover could still be God (or a god), but with a different method than what is described in 5000 yr old text.
 
And no, I won't accept a scientific theory that has no basis in reality because it does not address the more pertinent core issue of where it all came from. Scientists tell us that toast came out of the toaster, without explaining where the bread, toaster, or electricity came from, who made them, or even who pressed the "toast" button!

Science starts with a question and moves towards an answer.

Religion starts with an answer and moves towards the most appropriate question.

The scientific approach to the toaster problem is to examine the parts, the process, how it all works, and compare it to other toasters.

The religious approach to the toaster problem is to proclaim the toasted bread to be a divine miracle that is beyond our comprehension, and that all other toasters are false appliances.
 
To answer your questions in reverse order, no I am not infallible, but God and His Word (the Bible) are.
Your opinion that it is infallible does not hold water with me. :)
I have no interest in your money, for the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, but as Jesus cared for people when He walked this earth, I too care about what happens to you and the others reading this. Does that make me wrong?
Never said that it did; I'm just observing how the church loves money. The basket never fails to be passed around at our church. Our previous church closed when it didn't get enough.
I couldn't care less about denominations or religions. God said it, and that settles it. It's written down in His Word for us to follow. Your move.
Well, "us" seems to have many wildly varying interpretations of the bible, from atheism to panentheism. To me it's just an old book.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism#Christianity

If your intellectual "integrity" costs you your eternal soul, what then? Will you choose to believe that your ways of thinking are higher than God's?
As have said before, I cannot consciously choose what I believe. Can you? Why do you keep evading that question when I put it to you?
Surely you can see what a rediculous mistake that would be, given the weight of the outcomes at stake.
To date, you have given me no more reason to worry about that than I have for worrying about getting a lump of coal from Santa this Christmas. You have made no effort to ground your claims in reality.
If you are truly interested in following your intellect, may I recommend:

https://www.amazon.com/Case-Christ-Journalists-Personal-Investigation-ebook/dp/B01863JLK2
Read it. I found the audiobook to have the edge on intellectual integrity, where he changes the "having concrete evidence for God" to "having almost concrete evidence for God". But he still fails to produce it in either version.
 
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