Sorry, I had thought it was clear: the evidence is Creation.
The existence of a thing is not evidence of its origin.
Sorry, I had thought it was clear: the evidence is Creation.
If a Christian commits murder, the book of James in the New Testament tells us that there's a good chance that person isn't actually a Christian, in which case they would not be going to heaven.About those commandments; as a believer, if you were to commit murder, would that preclude you from entering heaven, as you understand the Christian religion?
The same 'creation' that is evidence of the process of life beginning billions of years ago, that there was no literal adam and eve, that there was no biblical global flood, that we and the other animals are not descended from a handful of surviving individuals?Sorry, I had thought it was clear: the evidence is Creation.
I don't know. I am guessing that if I found out tomorrow that it wouldn't affect the price of milk at the market, or compel me to attack those that had come to a different conclusion.Where else do you think it all came from?
Big bang cosmology explains what followed the instantiation of the cosmos, not its origins. Are you an astrophysicist? I'm not.And please don't say "the big bang" because the only one of those that's actually plausible is the TV sitcom. LOLZ
I do not hold any beliefs on this subject.I mean, seriously, to believe that something came from nothing without divine intervention?
Sure. As I don't have a horse in this race, I'll look to you to explain where your god came from. How long did this 'eternal' thing wait until it created the universe? Where was it before? And how did it do it?But hey, if anyone would like to go down that rabbit trail, we could, for arguments' sake, do so.
If a Christian commits murder, the book of James in the New Testament tells us that there's a good chance that person isn't actually a Christian, in which case they would not be going to heaven.
Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed
Friedrich Nietzsche
This is so true Brother![]()
In the manner that you have presented it here, it certainly looks like it would come at the cost of my intellectual integrity.
And how am I to discern the validity of this "gift" that you proffer? Does it go without saying that it is only your particular denomination of your particular relgion that has it right? How was that decided?
Or is your offer a complete sham, only intended to bring followers (and their money) into a religious money machine that produces virtually nothing but a means of perpetuating itself? You may not even be aware that you yourself have been wrong all this time.
Are you infallible?
...no I am not infallible, but God and His Word (the Bible) are.
I'm pretty sure you got the wrong end of the stick there Teng. :lmao:
History tells us (in the very article you linked to, as a matter of fact) that Jeffrey Dahmer was not a Christian when he murdered people. At the end of his life he seems to have repented and turned to Christ, but without an opportunity to see any fruit, whether good or bad, from his life following this supposed conversion, it's tough to tell whether or not he was being authentic.Why then did Dahmer go through the bother of getting baptized?
The religion of Jeffrey Dahmer, infamous serial killer
As a side note, in a video interview with Dr. James Dobson, Dahmer sites addiction to pornography as the driving force behind his 17 murders and canabalism.
Sorry, I had thought it was clear:
Where else do you think it all came from?
And please don't say "the big bang"
Teng, what part of "we don't recognize scripture as authoritative text" do you not understand?
Spouting bible verses accomplishes nothing, apart from the incorrect assumption that you are doing something meaningful...
That's like asking, "Now that you know the earth is round, and rotates the sun, could you choose to believe that it's flat, and the center of the universe?" and then flip-flop back a few days later. Sure I could, but what would it prove, other than extreme wishy-washyness?Again: can you, right now, choose to believe that gods are only characters in books, and then, say, later this week, choose to believe what you previously believed?
No idea, how about it was created by some alien life form??? That's just as plausible and provable as believing the universe was created by a singular god.
You won't accept a scientific explanation...... yet you're happy to believe a nonsensical story written in a book? Yeah right, there's some logic in that argument :lmao:
How about watch a short video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CulBuMCLg0
p/s: I respect you and every members here.![]()
And no, I won't accept a scientific theory that has no basis in reality because it does not address the more pertinent core issue of where it all came from. Scientists tell us that toast came out of the toaster, without explaining where the bread, toaster, or electricity came from, who made them, or even who pressed the "toast" button!
Your opinion that it is infallible does not hold water with me.To answer your questions in reverse order, no I am not infallible, but God and His Word (the Bible) are.
Never said that it did; I'm just observing how the church loves money. The basket never fails to be passed around at our church. Our previous church closed when it didn't get enough.I have no interest in your money, for the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, but as Jesus cared for people when He walked this earth, I too care about what happens to you and the others reading this. Does that make me wrong?
Well, "us" seems to have many wildly varying interpretations of the bible, from atheism to panentheism. To me it's just an old book.I couldn't care less about denominations or religions. God said it, and that settles it. It's written down in His Word for us to follow. Your move.
As have said before, I cannot consciously choose what I believe. Can you? Why do you keep evading that question when I put it to you?If your intellectual "integrity" costs you your eternal soul, what then? Will you choose to believe that your ways of thinking are higher than God's?
To date, you have given me no more reason to worry about that than I have for worrying about getting a lump of coal from Santa this Christmas. You have made no effort to ground your claims in reality.Surely you can see what a rediculous mistake that would be, given the weight of the outcomes at stake.
Read it. I found the audiobook to have the edge on intellectual integrity, where he changes the "having concrete evidence for God" to "having almost concrete evidence for God". But he still fails to produce it in either version.If you are truly interested in following your intellect, may I recommend:
https://www.amazon.com/Case-Christ-Journalists-Personal-Investigation-ebook/dp/B01863JLK2