Do you believe in God,Heaven or Hell?

[Duuuuuuuude]

Your arguments against those CT's sound very familiar with those against religion.

Nonetheless, he can "believe" what he wants. ;-)

They are, but the difference is religion is very old and hard to verify facts. Today, anyone with a smartphone and 5 minutes can verify current events and form a reasonably accurate opinion.

theory or not....
speculation or not....
evidence or not....

i stated my opinions based off something that is plausible. Something that `could`in reality happen. Maybe not in my lifetime, but it is a possibility.

people need to open their minds to other things other then what is right in their face directly (or) they strongly believe in.

another one i crossed is where the Obama administration and Bush are under a world wide warrant for their arrest.
is it true...no idea!!

but again, the possibility of a secret organization such as the Illuminaty or New world order is something to think of. If in the past 6 million Jews were rounded up like sheep and executed like cattle, this may very well happen when a dictator is elected.

when we speak GOD we also have WAR hand in hand next to it, as it always has revolved around religion since centuries ago.



.02

Anything is plausible, but at the same time an inability to disprove does not mean it is automatically likely and something to spend time defending.

It's plausible that I come to your house once every 6 months and let a half a psi of air out of each one of your tires, but its not very fawkin' likely, even though you can't prove one way or the other whether or not I actually do.

Again I point to ignorance (willful or not) as the driving force for most conspiracy theories. Our governmental system of checks and balances and public voting will not allow a "dictator" to be elected, nor hold office for very long. Our system may be misfiring here and there, but it is nowhere near broken enough for anything like that to happen.

If you see or hear or read anything that causes you for even a second to consider it to be truth, research it. Verify the facts presented to you. Don't just read things that reinforce your own beliefs, read things that go against them. The truth is not what you want it to be, the truth is what the facts support.

Everyone should have an open mind, but having an open mind does not mean you should accept everything that comes into it.

 

[RANOVRU]

They are, but the difference is religion is very old and hard to verify facts. Today, anyone with a smartphone and 5 minutes can verify current events and form a reasonably accurate opinion.

I would disagree with you there. Regardless of a how old the theory is or whether or not you have a smartphone, its easy for a 'reasonable' person to see the correlation to how ridiculous both theories are.

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

All of your so called gods will bow to Cthulhu.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I would disagree with you there. Regardless of a how old the theory is or whether or not you have a smartphone, its easy for a 'reasonable' person to see the correlation to how ridiculous both theories are.

In a way, yes, but I'm going to disagree with your disagreement.

If someone walked on water today in front of a large crowd, chances are somebody is going to be there to upload their video of it to any social media outlet of their choosing. Then...well...you just had to take their word for it.

Back then if you heard a rumor about something extraordinary or somewhat unbelievable, it took a long time to gather information. Now we can just pop on the net and have that info in a matter of minutes, if not seconds.


As far as applying reason to religious claims to debunk them, yes it can be done, but finding concrete evidence either way is not so easily done.

 

[RANOVRU]

So you believe everything you see on your smart phone/the internet?

Youre missing the point. Regardless how old or current the info is, the 'reasonable' person can decipher crap from plausible.

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

So you believe everything you see on your smart phone/the internet?

Youre missing the point. Regardless how old or current the info is, the 'reasonable' person can decipher crap from plausible.

Walking on water
Talking bushes that are on fire
a sea splitting allowing for passage on foot
a person turning into a pile of salt
virgin birth
water turned to blood
water turned to wine
masses fed by a few fish and loaves of bread
raising the dead
leprosy cured instantly
walls around a city falling when horns are blown
swimming ax head
hungry lions not eating people
a man living in a whales belly
healing the blind
etc etc etc.



Sounds plausible to me. :shock:

 

[SwampDawg]

Virgin birth = artificial insemination

Just a point of plausible lol

 

[Fiftygrit]

evolution not creation, science does not lie, like duhhhhh I guess some people should get off the interweb and do some reading, and I dont mean science fiction, my .2c worth. cheer`s

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

So you believe everything you see on your smart phone/the internet?

Youre missing the point. Regardless how old or current the info is, the 'reasonable' person can decipher crap from plausible.

Not at all, but a person can quickly and easily compile information that goes beyond what a regular everyday schlub might have.


I'm not missing the point, just saying that in this information age, conclusions can be made quickly and with some actual education behind them.


I'll use Planet X as an example.

If I were to say to you 3000 years ago that there is something in the heavens that every few thousand years wreaks havoc on our planet. About the best you could reasonably do is consider the trustworthyness of the source and maybe talk to a couple people that might be just a hair bit more educated than you (at best) on the subject, though that education would still be pittifully poor. Chances are you'd likely believe the story and might even attribute it to some sort of godly wrath because someone somewhere didn't make Him happy. Prayer and sacrifice ensue.


If I were to say to you now that there is a rogue planetary body that swings by and devastates Earth every few thousand years, and its due back soon. The best you could do now is whip out something that can connect to the internet and have knowledge far, far greater than your own at your fingertips to see if my story jives. You'll find educated reasons why my story doesn't pan out, and dismiss me as a looney. You'll go on about your day having gained a bit more wisdom concerning gravity, physics, and orbital ellipsis.

That was my point.

 

[RANOVRU]

I dont really see the difference. Whether your sitting down reading through 2000yo text or reading an article off the web its all secondhand info.

If youre just saying that its a little quicker in todays technological age Ill give you that. None of the info is 100% reliable though.

It still takes reason and logic to form a competent conclusion regardless of how old/current the info is, where/how you got it from or how long it took you to go through it.

 

[RANOVRU]

Walking on water
Talking bushes that are on fire
a sea splitting allowing for passage on foot
a person turning into a pile of salt
virgin birth
water turned to blood
water turned to wine
masses fed by a few fish and loaves of bread
raising the dead
leprosy cured instantly
walls around a city falling when horns are blown
swimming ax head
hungry lions not eating people
a man living in a whales belly
healing the blind
etc etc etc.



Sounds plausible to me. :shock:

Exactly. All of that comes from stories 2000 years ago, yet its just as ridiculous as current stories of rogue planets or genocide.

 

[SwampDawg]

Exactly. All of that comes from stories 2000 years ago, yet its just as ridiculous as current stories of rogue planets or genocide.

The two examples you use here:

Rogue planet is plausible in a galaxy so large, it is very possible we could not see planet a, b, c, d, etc.....

Genecide....it happened once, what makes this inconcievable??

Ignorance?
The inability to look past your own bs?
Or....governments and/or secret organizations pulling wool over your brainwashed
Mind in a society dependant on a god ( or in this case someone to follow)?

Eitherway.....being shortsighted is a virtue i spose?

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

For the love of Cthulhu its genOcide! Don't infer that someone else is ignorant if you can't spell. Genecide is a made up word by some hipster douche on urbandictionary that thinks hitler and GW Bush are equals. :lol:

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I dont really see the difference. Whether your sitting down reading through 2000yo text or reading an article off the web its all secondhand info.

If youre just saying that its a little quicker in todays technological age Ill give you that. None of the info is 100% reliable though.

It still takes reason and logic to form a competent conclusion regardless of how old/current the info is, where/how you got it from or how long it took you to go through it.

Secondhand, yes. Quicker, yes. 100% reliable, no. Most information we receive is at best second hand, but at least now we have the ability to quickly correlate stories and do a fair job at weeding out garbage.

Yes it still takes reason and logic.

The two examples you use here:

Rogue planet is plausible in a galaxy so large, it is very possible we could not see planet a, b, c, d, etc.....

You don't have to physically see a rogue planet. If it is close enough to upset the known planetary bodies, you would see its effects in those planets orbits.

Genecide....it happened once, what makes this inconcievable??

Because we have history to look back on and learn from, and here in the states we have a governmental system to prevent such a thing.

Besides that, its not just as simple as having an evil dictator at the helm. There are so many things that would have to fall into place perfectly over a long period of time for it to even be a possibility here in the US.

Ignorance?

Indeed, and quite a bit of it. Take any CT you like and research it. Some you can debunk quite easily, some may take a couple hours. Most everything you need to know is right at your fingertips.

The inability to look past your own bs?

That is just another form of ignorance. You don't want to know the truth, you want to be happy believing what you believe. Sometimes its your pride and ego that won't let you accept that you might be wrong.

Or....governments and/or secret organizations pulling wool over your brainwashed mind in a society dependant on a god ( or in this case someone to follow)?

There are many things we don't know, and many organizations and people spreading misinformation, knowingly or otherwise. That doesn't mean that every possibility is a reasonable conclusion.

I follow nothing but my own nose.

 

[thecrusader]

jesus christ.

 

[SwampDawg]

Grammar Nazi to the rescue hhahah

 

[RANOVRU]

, but at least now we have the ability to quickly correlate stories and do a fair job at weeding out garbage.

Thats a matter of opinion. I think in many ways the tech era we're in can be more of a hinderance than an aid. Anything involving 1s and 0s can be manipulated in much the same way that stories passed down can alter through the telling of them.

Just because gathering data is faster today doesnt mean it makes forming a conclusion any easier.

For example, given the choice of going through 1000s of different links to articles online about christianity, or reading one of the main 3 versions of the actual book in order to form my own conclusion, I would choose the latter.

Given, thats not the case in all situations.

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

Grammar Nazi to the rescue hhahah

It's not grammar that's the issue it's spelling. :ror:

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

Thats a matter of opinion. I think in many ways the tech era we're in can be more of a hinderance than an aid. Anything involving 1s and 0s can be manipulated in much the same way that stories passed down can alter through the telling of them.

Just because gathering data is faster today doesnt mean it makes forming a conclusion any easier.

For example, given the choice of going through 1000s of different links to articles online about christianity, or reading one of the main 3 versions of the actual book in order to form my own conclusion, I would choose the latter.

Given, thats not the case in all situations.

Reading on ye old intardnet what many people have to say on any given subject for a decent amount of time is going to raise the probability of me finding the correct factual information. Rather than relying on a 3000 year old game of telephone that just happens to be written down translated through several different languages before landing in English. ;-)

 

[RANOVRU]

Like I said a matter of opinion. In many cases what you see on the interwebz is not only second hand info but 3rd or 4th or 5th etc. ;-)