Petition/poll ~ Keep bodiless rigs in Sportsman!!!!

[EvilTwin v2]

well heck let em run bodiless if they want to just make them dimensionally the same as a body. Problem solved.:lmao:

Read my post above. Bodies have a definite advantage. They can flex and bend out of the way, and often fit under ledges and through gaps in which a bodiless rig will get stuck.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Bodies have a definite advantage. They can flex and bend out of the way, and often fit under ledges and through gaps in which a bodiless rig will get stuck.

Can't disagree with that. I've jambed and pushed through things with my bug that would wedge in my Fastback.

one other point. If the body has such an advantage why do all the top drivers run bodiless?

Do they?

 

[fred0000]

one other point. If the body has such an advantage why do all the top drivers run bodiless?

Can't disagree with that. I've jambed and pushed through things with my bug that would wedge in my Fastback.



Do they?

I belive the axial drivers still use the stock chassis/hardline body "thumbsup"

 

[klabeaume]

I belive the axial drivers still use the stock chassis/hardline body "thumbsup"

Look at how long Bender drove a shafty. It would look bad if an axial driver ran nothing axial but a set of xr cases. Lol

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Yes actually I have and I can hang out with my friends for free at our local comp. I just think the comp scene is going the way of every other "sport" you have your elite 5-7 drivers that have access to all the best gear before the rest of the 54,000 members of this site. And you proved my point for me you won one ECC event tell me who won all the rest? Im fairly sure it was a sponsered driver.

You've really got the wrong attitude.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Look at how long Bender drove a shafty. It would look bad if an axial driver ran nothing axial but a set of ax10 cases. Lol

Maybe we need that again. What love have we gotten from Axial lately?

I reworded your post btw...

 

[punkfan]

You've really got the wrong attitude.

Typical RCC thread if you dont agree with Duuude you are wrong. Maybe you have the wrong attitude. Maybe you should open your self to something other than your idea. I deleted my other posts because clearly you dont care about other ideas. I am going to run what i run have fun doing it and you guys can have a blast keyboard crawling

 

[rock hard]

Typical RCC thread if you dont agree with Duuude you are wrong. Maybe you have the wrong attitude. Maybe you should open your self to something other than your idea. I deleted my other posts because clearly you dont care about other ideas. I am going to run what i run have fun doing it and you guys can have a blast keyboard crawling

you deleted for other posts.....so I can't quote them

but you are wrong about only sponsored drivers making it to the top.I can understand how it may seem that way to you,but its not.Even the top dogs take a fall from time to time,or get mind siked.And some times they simply get out drove.

 

[The Violator]

So maybe we need a spec class?

Ding ding ding we have a winner.

If people want this hobby to grow there need to be a spec class. A way for everyone to compete with drivers skill and slight set up changes being the only things different. That way the guy who builds a sportsman that costs $2500 with all one off stuff does not have so much of an equipment advantage over a new guy.

But because the real point is not to grow the hobby, its to make the same 40 guys to travel to all the comps happy. If its body only in sportsman, then pro 2.2 shoud be bodiless only. If your going to limit sportsman there should be more rules. Production axles only, at stock width. No narrowed wraith axles, no widened ax-10 axles. Choose wide or narrow. Also there shoud be a minimum skid width. Same as stock ax-10.


Or it could follow the exact 2.2 pro class rules with the exception of one motor and one servo.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Typical RCC thread if you dont agree with Duuude you are wrong. Maybe you have the wrong attitude. Maybe you should open your self to something other than your idea. I deleted my other posts because clearly you dont care about other ideas. I am going to run what i run have fun doing it and you guys can have a blast keyboard crawling

Oh yeah...I've got all kinds of clout around here. :lmao:


My point was that if you are not a nationals level driver, or even a regionals level driver, you shouldn't worry about sponsored drivers or people having the latest gear before anybody else. It makes no difference to you anyway.

Go and have fun, be with your friends. Drive your ass off and enjoy the event for what it is. If you can't, then don't go.

 

[C*H*U*D]

Originally Posted by punkfan
I just think the comp scene is going the way of every other "sport" you have your elite 5-7 drivers that have access to all the best gear before the rest of the 54,000 members of this site.

Typical RCC thread if you dont agree with Duuude you are wrong. Maybe you have the wrong attitude. Maybe you should open your self to something other than your idea. I deleted my other posts because clearly you dont care about other ideas. I am going to run what i run have fun doing it and you guys can have a blast keyboard crawling

One thing I like about crawling seems to be the opposite of how you feel. Everything that is out there is accessible to everyone, and you actually have the chance to make something for yourself that nobody else has...it just takes ideas.

What separates the really good drivers from the rest is wheel time. Do you think Krawlfreak left Colorado after Rocas, with a skateboard shop under his arms because he has something nobody else has? He took all those trophies home because he puts in the time it takes to win. His truck is set up to work well for him, and he posts exactly what he has in his threads...no secret formula, just time and hard work.

Yes it does take money sometimes, but this sport is cheap compared to other forms of competition.

And a lot of us disagree with Duuuuuuuude...we can't all be wrong :mrgreen:

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[Duuuuuuuude]

Ding ding ding we have a winner.

If people want this hobby to grow there need to be a spec class. A way for everyone to compete with drivers skill and slight set up changes being the only things different. That way the guy who builds a sportsman that costs $2500 with all one off stuff does not have so much of an equipment advantage over a new guy.

But because the real point is not to grow the hobby, its to make the same 40 guys to travel to all the comps happy. If its body only in sportsman, then pro 2.2 shoud be bodiless only. If your going to limit sportsman there should be more rules. Production axles only, at stock width. No narrowed wraith axles, no widened ax-10 axles. Choose wide or narrow. Also there shoud be a minimum skid width. Same as stock ax-10.


Or it could follow the exact 2.2 pro class rules with the exception of one motor and one servo.

Truth.

If we have to "make a sacrifice", why are we the only ones? If its good for the entire community, the entire community should help bare the cost.

 

[EvilTwin v2]

Yes actually I have and I can hang out with my friends for free at our local comp. I just think the comp scene is going the way of every other "sport" you have your elite 5-7 drivers that have access to all the best gear before the rest of the 54,000 members of this site. And you proved my point for me you won one ECC event tell me who won all the rest? Im fairly sure it was a sponsered driver. Could you have won that event as a beginer? I just think it is BS to preach about "bringing in new drivers" and only giving them the option to put down 1500.00 for a comp rig and saying there is the national champ who has been at this since 2006, have fun. Thats what is killing this sport, not a body or bodiless.

What a ridiculous statement.

So, first your point was, nobody wins without factory support. I showed you one example. Now it's show me more examples. BTW, I still don't have access to all the best stuff before everybody else, not that that really even makes much of a difference.

First off, the best gear does not make the driver. I won ECC because I spent several months tweaking, tuning, building, experimenting, and practicing with my crawler. I'd driven it enough that I had confidence in it and my ability to drive it. If I wan't something for my rig that I can't get elsewhere, I make it myself.

And No. As a beginner, I wouldn't have one. That's ridiculous to think that a beginner would come in and win against people who spend as much time with their crawlers as these guys do. Just remember, there's a reason that they became team drivers. They showed a dedication to the hobby and to winning. Just because they continued to win, doesn't mean that it's only because they had vendor support.

You can't buy a win. People try it all the time. We've had guys show up at one comp, take a look around, then show up at the next having spent $1200-$1500 building the absolute top of the line berg or XR, just to finish just as poorly as they did with their AX10 or LNC.

This sport is probably about 85% driver and about 15% truck, and if you're going to sit and whine about the guys with the better equipment, then you should find a new hobby. I have made quite a few friends from all accross the country that I only get to see at the big comps. With your attitude, that might not be your thing, though.

 

[rock hard]

Ding ding ding we have a winner.

If people want this hobby to grow there need to be a spec class. A way for everyone to compete with drivers skill and slight set up changes being the only things different. That way the guy who builds a sportsman that costs $2500 with all one off stuff does not have so much of an equipment advantage over a new guy.

But because the real point is not to grow the hobby, its to make the same 40 guys to travel to all the comps happy. If its body only in sportsman, then pro 2.2 shoud be bodiless only. If your going to limit sportsman there should be more rules. Production axles only, at stock width. No narrowed wraith axles, no widened ax-10 axles. Choose wide or narrow. Also there shoud be a minimum skid width. Same as stock ax-10.


Or it could follow the exact 2.2 pro class rules with the exception of one motor and one servo.

exactly,the class should simply be what it is......a no dig,shaft only class.


I still can't hardly believe some one had the so called "amazing" idea to do anything but that,and find it even harder to imagine still that anyone else would would actually go along with it as an amazing idea,much less a majority.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Dammit, I went and got myself all worked up again. :evil:

After all these pages, and all of this discussion, and all of the weak justification by committee members, this still feels like a reach around for corporate sponsorship in return for Nat's funding so a select few can have a bigger party while we shafty drivers are being made to clean up the mess.

I have seriously thought about little else these past few days. What is being proposed makes no sense and cuts valuable vendors and local drivers out of the loop.

IF you are hunting for corporate sponsorship, then say so. Do not play this weak ass plan off as something that will benefit everyone, because it will not.

Its still bullshit, it still stinks, and I am not ready to lay down and let it happen quietly.

 

[rock hard]

Dammit, I went and got myself all worked up again. :evil:

After all these pages, and all of this discussion, and all of the weak justification by committee members, this still feels like a reach around for corporate sponsorship in return for Nat's funding so a select few can have a bigger party while we shafty drivers are being made to clean up the mess.

I have seriously thought about little else these past few days. What is being proposed makes no sense and cuts valuable vendors and local drivers out of the loop.

IF you are hunting for corporate sponsorship, then say so. Do not play this weak ass plan off as something that will benefit everyone, because it will not.

Its still bullshit, it still stinks, and I am not ready to lay down and let it happen quietly.

:rorh hell:ror:

I guess it could be like that,sad if that was the case,and one comment in particular does make me raise a brow...'

but I really think a chunk of people want the to
bring back the "nostalgia" and use this class to do it...hence the term getting back to our "grass roots" was used.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

:rorh hell:ror:

I guess it could be like that,sad if that was the case,and one comment in particular does make me raise a brow...'

but I really think a chunk of people want the to
bring back the "nostalgia" and use this class to do it...hence the term getting back to our "grass roots" was used.

There have been a couple comments that made me raise a brow...

If they want a nostalgia class, then they can form one. But it has to be a true nostalgia class, not a "pro-shafty light" class. Cut out everything that has developed in the past 4 years.

There is more to grass roots that eliminating bodiless chassis' from national competition in one specific class that does not receive an appreciable amount of attention anyway.

 

[Highlucks]

Here are our (crawlanz) Sportsman rules for reference. In case any one cares, and before some one jumps up onto the podium. Yes we are a recognized USRCRCA club. 100% of the time this class draws more entrants than Pro."thumbsup"

1. General Class Regulations::

1.1 Vehicles are limited to 4-wheeled vehicles only for 2.2 classes. A maximum of eight (8) driven wheels is allowed for Scale and Super classes. These wheels can be the only source of propulsion for the vehicle.

1.2 All vehicles must be electric powered only.

1.3 Bodied vehicles:

• 1.3.1 Any support chassis allowed (Except Scale Class).
• 1.3.2 Super & 2.2 Class bodies must be 76mm minimum height on sides.
• 1.3.3 No less than 317mm total length and full original width, and no less than 127mm across the centre (Except Scale Class)
• 1.3.4 All bodies should resemble its original form (Jeep bodies look like a Jeep)

1.4 Bodiless vehicles:

• 1.4.1 Must be a self-supporting, structurally complete, rigid frame.
• 1.4.2 2.2 Class Overall bodiless dimensions must be 203mm long, 76mm wide and 95mm tall.
• 1.4.3 Super Class Overall bodiless dimensions must be 305mm long, 76mm wide and 95mm tall.
• 1.4.4 The roof must be raised a minimum of 25mm from the main chassis to resemble a cockpit.
• 1.4.5 The frame sides must be an overall minimum of 25mm tall.
• 1.4.6 Bodiless vehicles should resemble a 1:1 vehicle.
• 1.4.7 Bodiless vehicles must have solid bonnet panel, solid roof panel and a minimum of 2 solid side-panels.

2. 2.2 Sportsman Class:

2.1 Vehicle wheelbase is limited to a maximum of 317mm.

2.2 Vehicle is limited to 2.2 inch wheels/rims or smaller at the bead surface. Tires may be modified from other sized tires using only a pliable rubber but must not exceed a total uncompressed outer diameter of 152mm.

2.3 Steering linkages are to be in front of the forward axle only. This includes the servo horn, steering links and steering knuckles. BTA (Behind the axle) and OTA (over the axle) steering configurations are not allowed.

2.4 Any combination of Radio and onboard electronics may be used; however, the only control the Driver is to have over the vehicle is for throttle and steering. You cannot control any other functions, either mechanically or electronically.

2.5 Vehicles must be shaft driven only and powered by a single motor, no MOA (motor on axle) axles are allowed.

 

[rock hard]

There have been a couple comments that made me raise a brow...

If they want a nostalgia class, then they can form one. But it has to be a true nostalgia class, not a "pro-shafty light" class. Cut out everything that has developed in the past 4 years.

There is more to grass roots that eliminating bodiless chassis' from national competition in one specific class that does not receive an appreciable amount of attention anyway.

actually yea,I forgot about the comments there at the beginning.....that darn sure could make some wonder,especially when coupled with turtles comment.So I can see how you come too that thought......I would usually say your just a darn conspiracy theorist....but heck,just from
the comments in thos posts....though I may not agree with the idea....I can clearly see how you could find reason to have serious questions about why this even came about as it did,which would bring to reason how you come to that conclusion.

 

[punkfan]

What a ridiculous statement.

So, first your point was, nobody wins without factory support. I showed you one example. Now it's show me more examples. BTW, I still don't have access to all the best stuff before everybody else, not that that really even makes much of a difference.

First off, the best gear does not make the driver. I won ECC because I spent several months tweaking, tuning, building, experimenting, and practicing with my crawler. I'd driven it enough that I had confidence in it and my ability to drive it. If I wan't something for my rig that I can't get elsewhere, I make it myself.

And No. As a beginner, I wouldn't have one. That's ridiculous to think that a beginner would come in and win against people who spend as much time with their crawlers as these guys do. Just remember, there's a reason that they became team drivers. They showed a dedication to the hobby and to winning. Just because they continued to win, doesn't mean that it's only because they had vendor support.

You can't buy a win. People try it all the time. We've had guys show up at one comp, take a look around, then show up at the next having spent $1200-$1500 building the absolute top of the line berg or XR, just to finish just as poorly as they did with their AX10 or LNC.

This sport is probably about 85% driver and about 15% truck, and if you're going to sit and whine about the guys with the better equipment, then you should find a new hobby. I have made quite a few friends from all accross the country that I only get to see at the big comps. With your attitude, that might not be your thing, though.

You are arguing my point. If the powers that be are arguing to bring in new blood why are we making comps that only satisfy the top teir drivers. And your comment about buying a win is neive at best. If you can win with a stock truck why did you spend all that time upgrading and tuning? Jake drove with the losi pin tires that are all the rage now for a very long while before they were available to the rest of us. Not saying it is wrong just stating a fact. And if you can say with a straight face that the top drivers are driving trucks that dont cost 1000+ you are just kidding yourself. I never once whined about guys having better equipment i argued that to get new blood in the sport you have to make it accesable to everyone. I am a member of this community just like you. I support the vendors, and the big companies just like you and my opinion counts just as much as yours. Just because it runs counter to your Ideal dosnt make it any less relevent.