Swat team murders two dogs

[ThinkTank]

There are always 2 halves of a whole idiot, in this case: cops and drug users. It's a shame the pets had to pay the price for the incompetence of both. :|

Nope, its the other way around. You have your moments of clarity and reasoning, this was one of them. "thumbsup"

You insensitive sod, Dezfan has a moment of insight and you mock him? The Nerve! You should be encouraging him to expand his horizons.. or whatever the hell they call it. :???::lol:

 

[4xFord]

I just realized the real leason here; Don't be a drug dealer/user. If the guy wasn't shady, the cops wouldn't be raiding his house and therefore his dog would not have been shot. I don't feel bad for this loser. Yes, I believe drug addicts are losers.

Sorry but this is complete bullshit. All it takes is one pissed off ex girlfriend to lie to the cops and say you are a dealer. That is probable cause. Its complete BS.

 

[4xFord]

And why does everyone keep refering to this guy as a drug dealer?!?! He has convicted of possesion of drug paraphernalia, that means he had a freaking pipe. Ya he really had it coming, having a marijuana pipe in the sanctity of your home is really asking for all that. :roll:

 

[ThinkTank]

And why does everyone keep refering to this guy as a drug dealer?!?! He has convicted of possesion of drug paraphernalia, that means he had a freaking pipe.

You may have a point, but I really don't care. You forgot this.\/\/

Was raided on the suspicion of being a dealer with a large amount on hand

Although some cops can be/are stupid, how do you really prove his innocence from selling from the past/present? He got the cops attention somehow. :roll:

Ya he really had it coming, having a marijuana pipe in the sanctity of your home is really asking for all that. :roll:

Marijuana is still deemed illegal, he took chances and lost. You will gain no sympathy for him from me. I do feel bad for the dogs though.

 

[4xFord]

I didn't forget any point. Read my first post.

And why in gods name would you give greater weight to a "suspicion" of selling of drugs than his conviction. Who is the more credible fact finder? The unknown informant that gave a tip that he was a drug dealer, or the court of law that found him guilty of only possessing paraphernalia???

No one needs to prove his innocence. He is innocent until proven guilty. The prosecution has the burden of proof, and obviously there was NO proof.

I don't know the guy, what he did or didn't do, and I do not have sympathy for him.


I guess I just despise the hypocrisy of assuming that he had it coming. The whole "there was suspicion" or "he got the attention somehow" is BS.

What if someone that wanted to hurt you decided to inform the police that you are selling drugs out of your house? Would you want people to say, well hey, I don't care if it is true or not, or if there is any evidence, because "there was suspicion" and "he got the attention somehow"

 

[ThinkTank]

And why in gods name would you give greater weight to a "suspicion" of selling of drugs than his conviction.

I don't.

No one needs to prove his innocence. He is innocent until proven guilty. The prosecution has the burden of proof, and obviously there was NO proof

I guess I just despise the hypocrisy of assuming that he had it coming. The whole "there was suspicion" or "he got the attention somehow" is BS.

What if someone that wanted to hurt you decided to inform the police that you are selling drugs out of your house?

The guy was dumb enough to stash drugs in house in a bad part of town. He was asking for it from both the law and the lawless. :roll:

Regardless, what's his defense for possession? Like you said somebody dimed this guy.The cops knew he had drugs, they speculated from that point. As horrible as it is, he put himself in a bad position to begin with.

 

[klabeaume]

Well, I am with Dez on this one. Swat should of had a plan in place before ever setting foot on this mans door step. There are many alternatives other than shooting someones pet. An as far as dogs lives being less superior to a humans?, 666 is right on the head, I'd be getting shot too if the cops shot my dog. I am getting pissed just thinking about it.

 

[klabeaume]

I don't.



The guy was dumb enough to stash drugs in house in a bad part of town. He was asking for it from both the law and the lawless. :roll:

Regardless, what's his defense for possession? Like you said somebody dimed this guy.The cops knew he had drugs, they speculated from that point. As horrible as it is, he put himself in a bad position to begin with.

so, if you run a red light, or speed or break some other law........ the new penalty is your dog gets shot? ARE YOU SEROUS?

 

[BLUEJEEP]

I lived in Columbia, MO for 2 years and normally I'm a very strong supporter of law enforcement. As a dog owner, I feel that in this case the use of force was excessive! What did the SWAT Team expect the dog to do? They had just forcibly entered into it's home screaming and yelling! The poor dog only did what came instinctively.

IMO there seems to be a double standard applied. If the officers had a K9 unit w/ them and it would have been injured or killed in the raid, the home owner would be charged.

If they are going to forcibly enter a home like that, they should have some form contingency plan in place for non lethal means of dealing w/ a family pet.

Hopefully the officers involved in the shooting received some kind of punishment and the family was compensated.

So Dez your saying we should send in someone to tranq the dog and give the real drug dealers time to load up with weapons while we wait on the dog to go to sleep? Or should we enter with a non-lethal weapon in our hands so when the bad guy starts shooting we can stand there and be shot before we can drop the non-lethal and pick up the real deal?

if your that much of a ***** you feel like you need to shoot a dog before actually being attacked than you don't need to be on a swat team. was the guy afraid the dog was gonna threaten his life? no. at most hed come out with a couple cuts or a broken arm. and i doubt that cause pitbulls don't have nearly the bite force as larger dogs such as shepherds and rotts
or maybe thats just how the swat team is. just a bunch of *****'s with too much of a right to shoot at will.

It's not my job to be attacked at all much less wait until I am injured to take action. While I'm dancing around trying to dodge the dog the real bad guys at the next house are going to be busy shooting me full of holes.

agree... there is no reason to be shooting up dogs. it is their job to protect what is theirs, no matter who enters the property... the **** tard cops should have had better intel and had animal control on sight to tranq the dogs a head of time.. thats what they did when they raided my house. by the time the flash bangs went off my 2 pits where already snoring

See my reply to Dez. As for there intel if you'd read some of the other stories about this incident you'd see they had good intel they just waited to long to act.

Sorry but this is complete bullshit. All it takes is one pissed off ex girlfriend to lie to the cops and say you are a dealer. That is probable cause. Its complete BS.

I call BS I've been in LE since 1994 and Ive have never seen a Judge issue a search warrant on the word of just one person EVER. If you ex say's "he sells drugs" we would open an investigation and see where it leads. But getting a search warrant on some he said she said stuff is pure Hollywood.

And why does everyone keep refering to this guy as a drug dealer?!?! He has convicted of possesion of drug paraphernalia, that means he had a freaking pipe. Ya he really had it coming, having a marijuana pipe in the sanctity of your home is really asking for all that. :roll:

Just because they drug there feet and waited to execute the warrant doesn't mean he was innocent.
Do I think it sucks , yes I do the fact that the kid saw it all really sucks the worst. Do I think the PD handled this well? Hell no the video shows there a bunch of back woods a$$hats. This raid was handled all wrong it has a feel to me like they were trying to intimidate him. You never know that could be the reason he plead to paraphernalia he could be cooperating now.

 

[montana.matt]

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Thanks for enlightening all of the armchair quarterbacks in this thread"thumbsup"

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

I gotta straighten some facts here. I went to school with this guy and we have many mutual friends.

He lives in the Highlands, the most expensive ritsy part of town. This isn't drug alley, this is doctor's park.

The warrant was sat on for 8 days. They had plenty of time to investigate, do some work, maybe find out that there were children in the house. They did NOT have good intel about anything in this raid.

He was not dealing. I will leave it at this.

Due dilegence was not taken on the warrant. It was issued on a single tip from somebody who had a grudge. They did not have any other evidence besides some residue the supposedly snatched from his trash. When searching his trash they didn't seem to find evidence of his kid. Fishy....

Columbia SWAT does not have to be police trained. They have their own (poor) training and some of the guys are CSA, which are basically traffic cops with no authority.


As for shooting the dogs, sure it sucks. That is standard raid policy, although MACE would have been a better weapon IMO. I can't really fuss about that other than it sucks. What I can fuss about is the fact that NOTHING was done right prior to the raid. This was a botch job with shots being fired in a dense neighborhood. They didn't actually do homework on the location, they just ran in guns blazing expecting to find copious amounts of drugs. Oops, wife and kid with no drugs? This should have been known before the warrant was even granted. In fact, if they had actually watched him for a few days they would know that he wasn't dealing. Of course that takes too much money, so lets just hire a swat team for $15 grand and try to bust him.

 

[T-buck]

my friend said that maybe the cop thought it was a midget.

C'mon you have to do better than that, If a cop can't make the call between dog & midget He should not be a cop.

I didnt realize that dog's can bite through kevlar and all that other "gear" those thug's were wearing??

The war on drugs is a miserable failure... This shows some of the stupidity behind it.
The amount of "weed" they found there would of been a ticket w/o even leaving the house here.

 

[romulus22]

It's not my job to be attacked at all much less wait until I am injured to take action. While I'm dancing around trying to dodge the dog the real bad guys at the next house are going to be busy shooting me full of holes.

so your saying its police officers job to take lethal action before being attacked.

like Holmes said. all it took is a little planning and some mace. but no. just pull the trigger. its only a dog

As for shooting the dogs, sure it sucks. That is standard raid policy, although MACE would have been a better weapon IMO.

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

Just a ticket here too. The city population voted to decriminalize it a few years back. The cops complained so much the city council changed the laws to allow cops to prosecute under state or county law if they choose.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I didnt realize that dog's can bite through kevlar and all that other "gear" those thug's were wearing??

I couldn't imagine that they could, but like bluejeep said, while the officer is struggling with a dog trying to NOT kill it, a baddy could be gearing up to ventilate him.

The war on drugs is a miserable failure... This shows some of the stupidity behind it.

I was just going to say that.

 

[romulus22]

I couldn't imagine that they could, but like bluejeep said, while the officer is struggling with a dog trying to NOT kill it, a baddy could be gearing up to ventilate him.

on that note what are the other 5-6 or 7 other swat team doing? watching the dog hump his leg?

 

[T-buck]

I didnt realize that dog's can bite through kevlar and all that other "gear" those thug's were wearing??

I was trying to be sarcastic.

 

[4xFord]

I gotta straighten some facts here. I went to school with this guy and we have many mutual friends.

He lives in the Highlands, the most expensive ritsy part of town. This isn't drug alley, this is doctor's park.

The warrant was sat on for 8 days. They had plenty of time to investigate, do some work, maybe find out that there were children in the house. They did NOT have good intel about anything in this raid.

He was not dealing. I will leave it at this.

Due dilegence was not taken on the warrant. It was issued on a single tip from somebody who had a grudge. They did not have any other evidence besides some residue the supposedly snatched from his trash. When searching his trash they didn't seem to find evidence of his kid. Fishy....

Columbia SWAT does not have to be police trained. They have their own (poor) training and some of the guys are CSA, which are basically traffic cops with no authority.


As for shooting the dogs, sure it sucks. That is standard raid policy, although MACE would have been a better weapon IMO. I can't really fuss about that other than it sucks. What I can fuss about is the fact that NOTHING was done right prior to the raid. This was a botch job with shots being fired in a dense neighborhood. They didn't actually do homework on the location, they just ran in guns blazing expecting to find copious amounts of drugs. Oops, wife and kid with no drugs? This should have been known before the warrant was even granted. In fact, if they had actually watched him for a few days they would know that he wasn't dealing. Of course that takes too much money, so lets just hire a swat team for $15 grand and try to bust him.

Wow kind of scary you just verified everything that I said. What a shitty situation. Sure sounds like he had is coming huh guys. :roll:

 

[4xFord]

I call BS I've been in LE since 1994 and Ive have never seen a Judge issue a search warrant on the word of just one person EVER. If you ex say's "he sells drugs" we would open an investigation and see where it leads. But getting a search warrant on some he said she said stuff is pure Hollywood.

Every comment of mine is based off education of the subject not any type of entertainment. Also read JRH's post on the subject.

because they drug there feet and waited to execute the warrant doesn't mean he was innocent.

Yes it does. He is always innocent until proven otherwise. He is innocent of dealing drugs, he is guilty of possessing paraphernalia.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

on that note what are the other 5-6 or 7 other swat team doing? watching the dog hump his leg?

That would depend. If the first guy through the door is dealing with the dog, he might be blocking the entry way, preventing or delaying the others behind him.

The point is, humanely dealing with an animal during a situation that could potentially be life threatening is not always as easy as it sounds. I'm not saying that what they did was anywhere close to right, I'm just saying...