Swat team murders two dogs

[93 FORD BRONCO]

you can find so many videos of police brutality on youtbe

blue wall of silence man

its f-ed up :evil:

absolute power corrupts absolutely

 

[dezfan]

Nope, its the other way around. You have your moments of clarity and reasoning, this was one of them. "thumbsup"


And yeah, the cop needs to be dealt with.

My whole existence is based on clarity, I don't have any new age PC fog to cloud my perspective.

So Dez your saying we should send in someone to tranq the dog and give the real drug dealers time to load up with weapons while we wait on the dog to go to sleep? Or should we enter with a non-lethal weapon in our hands so when the bad guy starts shooting we can stand there and be shot before we can drop the non-lethal and pick up the real deal?

See that's the issue w/ THIS incident. There was no drug dealer, there was no drugs, there was no intel, there was no plan in place. The SWAT team screwed up, an innocent family was terrorised, and family pet was shot.

Better planning, better intel, better preparation, better training. All of which could have prevented this from happening.

Animal control or someone w/ some kind of specialised training should have been on site. The use of pepper spray, mace, a taser, a tranquilizer, or some other form of nonlethal means should have been in use.

Again, I'm not a drug use advocate, and I am a strong supporter of law enforcement, but law enforcement has a responsibility to make sure they are upholding the law and protecting the public even when they are serving a warrant. This incident is a perfect example of law enforcement forgoing those responsibilities.

It was a mistake! Mistakes have consequences. In this case, the officer should face some form of discipline as does the person who was in charge.

 

[ThinkTank]

so, if you run a red light, or speed or break some other law........ the new penalty is your dog gets shot? ARE YOU SEROUS?

ARE YOU STUPID? I never said the cops were right. I swear that 99% of members here comprehensive ability of the English language akin to a shovel.

....

That clears a lot up. Still why would this guy have drugs to begin with? If he is wealthy enough to live in a rich area, he must the capacity to avoid trouble.

Sure sounds like he had is coming huh guys. :roll:

He did had it coming, doesn't mean he deserved it. ;-)
Somebody gave the cops some form of evidence, He carelessly created an opportunity which was exploited by individual with a grudge.

As head of household he is accountable for making a terrible choice that endangered his own family, the cops are guilty for failing at everything. I hope he pursues legal action. I agree with you on how ridiculous the law can be on executing warrants etc, but it was his fault. It was injust, but that idiot opened the door so to speak.

My whole existence is based on clarity, I don't have any new age PC fog to cloud my perspective.

Just patriotism that fogs your perspective.

 

[T-buck]

I swear that 99% of members here comprehensive ability of the English language akin to a shovel.

Go elsewhere then

As head of household he is accountable for making a terrible choice that endangered his own family.

With that mentality... The cop that shot the dog should have his door kicked in and family pet's removed (killed) because he made a mistake??

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

He has "drugs" because he likes to drink and smoke. According to the last vote, 60% of this city is OK with having these types of drugs in the house. If he is inviting trouble into his house with recreational drug use, then the SWAT team needs to raid at least half of the community.


The big reason why the police force thought it was an open and shut case is his prior record. When he was a minor he had some drug offense, and has had a DUI or two as well. He didn't have anything coming to him under a properly issued warrant, he has served his time and straightened his life. Now with all of the media circus his business can't get pull in jobs anymore. The local paper ran his mug the next day with nice large "child endangerment" charges with it.

 

[dezfan]

Just patriotism that fogs your perspective.

Nope, I am a Patriot because of my clarity, not the other way around.

He has "drugs" because he likes to drink and smoke. According to the last vote, 60% of this city is OK with having these types of drugs in the house. If he is inviting trouble into his house with recreational drug use, then the SWAT team needs to raid at least half of the community.


The big reason why the police force thought it was an open and shut case is his prior record. When he was a minor he had some drug offense, and has had a DUI or two as well. He didn't have anything coming to him under a properly issued warrant, he has served his time and straightened his life. Now with all of the media circus his business can't get pull in jobs anymore. The local paper ran his mug the next day with nice large "child endangerment" charges with it.

Got to love the Lib media!

Guilty until proven innocent(or until we have to print a retraction a month later in tiny print on page 16)!

 

[ThinkTank]

With that mentality... The cop that shot the dog should have his door kicked in and family pet's removed (killed) because he made a mistake??

Each one of you gets dumber and dumber. I didn't say accountable to the law, rather as a parent. Unless you guys don't hold yourself to a higher moral standard, then I can understand.

He has "drugs" because he likes to drink and smoke. According to the last vote, 60% of this city is OK with having these types of drugs in the house. If he is inviting trouble into his house with recreational drug use, then the SWAT team needs to raid at least half of the community.

I'm aware of the rich area mentality thank you very much. My post is based upon your post.

Just a ticket here too. The city population voted to decriminalize it a few years back. The cops complained so much the city council changed the laws to allow cops to prosecute under state or county law if they choose.

There is a division between the population and the police's opinion, it's not a very intelligent idea to take chances when the whole thing is unsolved ATM.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

With that mentality... The cop that shot the dog should have his door kicked in and family pet's removed (killed) because he made a mistake??

Oh Jesus Christ. Really? What he's trying to say (if you would take the time to figure that out) is that when you do something illegal, you shouldn't be too godamn suprised when law enforcement comes to your door.

He has "drugs" because he likes to drink and smoke. According to the last vote, 60% of this city is OK with having these types of drugs in the house. If he is inviting trouble into his house with recreational drug use, then the SWAT team needs to raid at least half of the community.

I don't care one way or the other about recreational drug use, to each his own, but still...illegal is illegal. Untill it is deemed NOT illegal, somebody is going to be there to uphold the law.

The big reason why the police force thought it was an open and shut case is his prior record. When he was a minor he had some drug offense, and has had a DUI or two as well. He didn't have anything coming to him under a properly issued warrant, he has served his time and straightened his life. Now with all of the media circus his business can't get pull in jobs anymore. The local paper ran his mug the next day with nice large "child endangerment" charges with it.

I hope he gets a big fat lawsuit out of this. I really do.

 

[microgoat]

I've been on the receiving end of overzealous dogs and overzealous cops. Neither one is pleasant, but dog bites heal. Cops will do their best to fawk you for life, simply because they can.

 

[T-buck]

Each one of you gets dumber and dumber. I didn't say accountable to the law, rather as a parent. Unless you guys don't hold yourself to a higher standard, then I can understand.

& that cop isn't a parent??
Hi Honey I home...
Just killed a guy's dog because he had some "Grass"
Good job sweetheart, Your brave.

There are better way's to make a living.

Oh Jesus Christ. Really? What he's trying to say (if you would take the time to figure that out) is that when you do something illegal, you shouldn't be too godamn suprised when law enforcement comes to your door.

What You fail to realize is that the cop's make mistakes ALL the time & when they get caught at it they have some sort of Bull-Shit excuse and want the people to accept it.

Heres the one from seattle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrHbNN27ccU

Going to court sure would be easier, just cry & say you will never do it again. Case closed.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

What You fail to realize is that the cop's make mistakes ALL the time & when they get caught at it they have some sort of Bull-Shit excuse and want the people to accept it.

Heres the one from seattle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrHbNN27ccU

Going to court sure would be easier, just cry & say you will never do it again. Case closed.

Of course they make mistakes, they are human. So are doctors, lawyers, teachers, firemen, bankers, soldiers, etc etc etc. Even the best of the best make mistakes. But I agree, they shouldn't be immune from responsibility for what they do. If you kill the family pet and ruin a mans business and possibly his life because you didn't do your job properly, you need to be held accountable for that.

But that doesn't change the issue: you do illegal things you may at some point in time have to answer to someone. That person may or may not have the capacity to do their job properly. Either way, it was your actions that attracted their attention. It is your chance to take.

 

[T-buck]

Of course they make mistakes, they are human. So are doctors, lawyers, teachers, firemen, bankers, soldiers, etc etc etc. Even the best of the best make mistakes. But I agree, they shouldn't be immune from responsibility for what they do. If you kill the family pet and ruin a mans business and possibly his life because you didn't do your job properly, you need to be held accountable for that.

But that doesn't change the issue: you do illegal things you may at some point in time have to answer to someone. That person may or may not have the capacity to do their job properly. Either way, it was your actions that attracted their attention. It is your chance to take.

Well said... I agree

 

[ThinkTank]

& that cop isn't a parent??
Hi Honey I home...
Just killed a guy's dog because he had some "Grass"
Good job sweetheart, Your brave.

There are better way's to make a living.

:shock: :???:

I don't have a clue what you are talking about Willis. Can someone translate for me? I don't speak gibberish.

 

[rock hard]

I may piss some off,but I think cops get away with murder every year.
here in mckinney tx I remember a homeowner was called by his security comp.
of possible break in. homeowner got home befor cop did.

coming out the front door the homeowner was shot to death through
the screen door.
cop said she was startled,triped,fell and gun discharged.

NO CHARGES FILED
its a clear case of neglagence

also remember here in arlington tx police training exercis.
to resemble a school shooting scenario
officers are supposed to load weapon with rubber bullets.
one officer didn't,shot fellow officer in head=dead
again
NO CHARGES FILED
and agian clearly neglagent

also here in ft worth tx officer was asleep at wheel
crossed into oncoming traffic,hit car head on,woman driving was pregnat 7-8 months,baby was lost,she was charged for no ins.
but the officer was charged with..........
you guessed it

NO CHARGES FILED

when a cop screws up all thier feathers ruffle up and they get defnsive and protective the badge is a brotherhood and a shield and its B>S>

and as far as a cop intering a property KNOWING therer may be a dog.
and kills it for the officers protection?
the dog was not at fault,enter property in a different maner.
catch owner off premise,dont rush the property.

if you rush in on a property owner/dog and you get your ass hurt.
thats what you get,should have thought about that before you came into
somone elses domain UNANOUNCED.

 

[BLUEJEEP]

C'mon you have to do better than that, If a cop can't make the call between dog & midget He should not be a cop.

I didnt realize that dog's can bite through kevlar and all that other "gear" those thug's were wearing??

The war on drugs is a miserable failure... This shows some of the stupidity behind it.
The amount of "weed" they found there would of been a ticket w/o even leaving the house here.

You don't wear kevlar on your arms just a BDU shirt.

so your saying its police officers job to take lethal action before being attacked.

like Holmes said. all it took is a little planning and some mace. but no. just pull the trigger. its only a dog

I also said there planning and tactics were sh!t. One of the worst teams I've ever seen and I've seen some bad ones!

on that note what are the other 5-6 or 7 other swat team doing? watching the dog hump his leg?

Dealing with the other 5,6,7, or more people who are usually in a drug house.

Every comment of mine is based off education of the subject not any type of entertainment. Also read JRH's post on the subject.



Yes it does. He is always innocent until proven otherwise. He is innocent of dealing drugs, he is guilty of possessing paraphernalia.

This doesn't happen here it sounds to me as if the locals are a bunch of keystone cops who can't get anything right! I have never seen a judge issue a search warrant on just the word of ONE snitch, or informant if you wish.

My whole existence is based on clarity, I don't have any new age PC fog to cloud my perspective.



See that's the issue w/ THIS incident. There was no drug dealer, there was no drugs, there was no intel, there was no plan in place. The SWAT team screwed up, an innocent family was terrorised, and family pet was shot.

Better planning, better intel, better preparation, better training. All of which could have prevented this from happening.

Animal control or someone w/ some kind of specialised training should have been on site. The use of pepper spray, mace, a taser, a tranquilizer, or some other form of nonlethal means should have been in use.

Again, I'm not a drug use advocate, and I am a strong supporter of law enforcement, but law enforcement has a responsibility to make sure they are upholding the law and protecting the public even when they are serving a warrant. This incident is a perfect example of law enforcement forgoing those responsibilities.

It was a mistake! Mistakes have consequences. In this case, the officer should face some form of discipline as does the person who was in charge.

Yep they cops in this case screwed up. But if it had been a righteous warrant on a real drug house I still say no to less lethal on the animal simply because that puts everybody more in harms way, trying to subdue the dog gives the bad guys time to arm up. Around here if you asked animal control to enter a scene with us to subdue a dog they would say "your crazy it's not our job to get shot at."

I've been on the receiving end of overzealous dogs and overzealous cops. Neither one is pleasant, but dog bites heal. Cops will do their best to fawk you for life, simply because they can.

Not all cops are douche bags a very small percentage actually and yes I get quite vocal and confrontational with the a$$hats I meet that act this way.

It's my belief that there are way to many "Swat Teams" in to many podunk unprofessional departments they don't have a clue as to what there doing. I am no longer an active member of a "Team" but when I was we were on a four week rotation two weeks doing patrol one week training and one week "working" on standby serving warrants or dealing with serious calls.

 

[Jeepial]

I have said it for a long time now,and I will say it one more time...COMO COPS SUCK BALLS!! I hope every one of them involved in this deal gets asshole cancer."thumbsup"

 

[romulus22]

I also said there planning and tactics were sh!t. One of the worst teams I've ever seen and I've seen some bad ones!

Dealing with the other 5,6,7, or more people who are usually in a drug house.

This doesn't happen here it sounds to me as if the locals are a bunch of keystone cops who can't get anything right! I have never seen a judge issue a search warrant on just the word of ONE snitch, or informant if you wish.

all i'm trying to get across is these cops made a terrible decision on how they acted.

in other circumstances in other drug houses where there may be 5,6,7 people to a house i can see where lethal force may be needed to stay alive. but i don't think any swat team will or should enter a house knowing they will be entering a gun fight. they should be smart enough to do a little surveillance and know that they are entering a house and not being out numbered. that is why they entered this guys house at who knows what time of the night when the guy was sleeping. they should have also known he had a child and wife at home.

basically what i'm saying is what this swat team did was extremely stupid and they should be punished as if they just committed a crime.
but thats not going to happen because they are the law. i wouldn't be surprised if the guy gets charged for endangerment of a police officer for tripping on a pair of shoes the guy left in his living room floor.

 

[Jeepial]

The Columbia Missouri Swat team has been shut down until further notice according to the missouri internal affairs office.The Columbia Police department is knee deep in shit.This is not the only incident that has happened,where they have been accused of using excessive force,they wont tell how many,but there are several pending lawsuits against them.Enough of a stink for the SWAT division of the columbia pd to be shut down and several officers are under investigation and some have been suspended until investigations can be completed.

So maybe there will be something done about this yet.There are a lot of people around here that are trying their best to make sure the police involved in the alligations are delt with accordingly.

 

[rock hard]

all i'm trying to get across is these cops made a terrible decision on how they acted.

in other circumstances in other drug houses where there may be 5,6,7 people to a house i can see where lethal force may be needed to stay alive. but i don't think any swat team will or should enter a house knowing they will be entering a gun fight. they should be smart enough to do a little surveillance and know that they are entering a house and not being out numbered. that is why they entered this guys house at who knows what time of the night when the guy was sleeping. they should have also known he had a child and wife at home.

basically what i'm saying is what this swat team did was extremely stupid and they should be punished as if they just committed a crime.
but thats not going to happen because they are the law. i wouldn't be surprised if the guy gets charged for endangerment of a police officer for tripping on a pair of shoes the guy left in his living room floor.

to be honest,I must agree.
it is better to find the person on the street.
less chance of innocents involved.

again I may p.o. some,but its like when the atf went into the compond in waco.
they asked for it.they got it.
if they had been smart,they could have played cool,waited to get em out on the streets.

if you bust down the door saying police,I'm supposed to wait to fire?b.s.
what if a criminal is busting in dressed in black,its dark,and HE is saying police?

ANYONE bust in my door and they will have alot of lead thrown thier direction.

a honest person would KNOCK I figure,if your busting inn.
you can say whatever you want,cop or not.
in my eye your a criminal till proven to be a cop.

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

Get this, the first press release said that they didn't know he had a wife and kid in there. If you listen close you can hear the SWAT team being surprised by the wife and kid. The original charges to the "offender" were possession, paraphernalia, and child endangerment. The second press release said that they knew he had a kid in there, and that is why he was charged with the child endangerment. The third press release was that SWAT was no longer in charge of the procedure for serving warrants, that they now only have 24 hrs to serve, that they will not serve if they think the offender knows there is a warrant, and that they will not enter if they know children are in the home.

The guy plead guilty to paraphernalia, so the possession and child endangerment charges were dropped.


Certainly there are good SWAT teams, and bad ones. This is just an example of what goes wrong when due diligence isn't taken and the proper process controls aren't in place to keep excessive force from happening. The locals don't call the force at large "kiddie cops" for nothing. I have nothing against cops as a whole, they are here to protect and serve. It is when process control and reprimands are not in place that I worry. Hopefully, we will have a better local PD after this incident.