bigflex
I wanna be Dave
I'd be willing to help Patrick out with it."thumbsup"
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The recent changes to Nats/worlds
- Thread starter NaZ-T
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I'd be willing to help Patrick out with it."thumbsup"
There are lots of people that wanted to work with the USRCCA, Jake and Parker we great choices, and now that Fishmax is onboard I would be willing to say that there isn't a better team of guys that could handle the task they have been given.
But thank you for the offer.
No worries. It's an open ended offer."thumbsup"
BTW, who is running USRCCA?
I was under the impression that it was tied directly to RCC which you have pointed out is not the case.
Where is the org chart?:mrgreen:
BTW, who is running USRCCA?
I was under the impression that it was tied directly to RCC which you have pointed out is not the case.
Where is the org chart?:mrgreen:
Fishmaxx
I wanna be Dave
metalry101
Quarry Creeper
I'm not angry with the move out of state. I'm not annoyed with the particuar location because it's proven to be an awesome place for comps in the past. I'm annoyed with it moving so late. Yes, we have a couple of young guys in our club making some silly comments...Berry is 15 and Going Up is 18... They're valuable, loyal club members of ours, and a constant source of humor and support. They've both judged at our comps, and are always there with smiles and laughs. They do lack perspective because of their age, and that's at least partially responsible for the silliness of some of their comments. They're young...it happens. I'm sure every club has a few, maybe they're just not as active on the forums? It'd be cool if you didn't knock one of USRCCA's biggest and best clubs just because you don't like that our members have opinions that differ from yours. Our club was the biggest supporter of Nationals last year. We had a ton of quality drivers, and we had tons of supporters. Obviously that was helped by it being semi-local, but support is support, and we've always provided it.
You're dead on here. Berry apparently doesn't know what a real airport looks like. LOL. It is definitely easier to fly close to Donner than it is to Moab.
I'm not going to argue the awesomeness of the Rubicon Trail. That'd be absurd, but there is a better variety of trails in the Moab area. The Rubicon is a 2 day run if I remember right, and you've gotta have a pretty well built rig to run it. Moab has a better variety of options, but yes, the Donner area does certainly have quality wheeling available, so I'd consider that one a draw.
Because many people plan more than 6 weeks ahead and assumed that since there was no announcement proclaiming a new venue and dates, the event would be held in the Moab area the first weekend of September, just like it has for the last 3 years. I don't see that as dumb on their part. Who would assume that you were going to drop a new venue and date on us with 6 weeks to plan?
I'm from Utah and don't mind at all that the location has moved to another killer spot out of state. If it moves every year from now on that's fine, but if next year's location isn't announced by the first of the year, I'm going to be very disappointed at the lack of ability to learn from mistakes. The issue almost everyone has isn't with the location or dates, it's with the information about these changes being released so ridiculously late. I realize it may sound like we're complaining about the move out of state. We're not. We're complaining about the move out of state with so little warning. West Coast Champs didn't up and move to Moab and move 2 weeks forward on the calender...
This type of thinking is what has ruined every aspect of the RC hobby over the years. Let's make it bigger!!! I'm not saying expanding the hobby's reach is a bad thing, but to answer your question, NO, it's not what it's ALL about. When RC Crawling started, it wasn't badass because it was big, it was badass because it was different. It took a little vision, a little creativity, maybe a little insanity too, to pull parts from 5 or more trucks and turn them into one badass creation. It wasn't easy, it wasn't for everyone. Now that it is for everyone, are we really better off as a sport? Sure we have better equipment and more people, but did that really make it better? Maybe it did, maybe it didn't, that depends on what you're trying to get out of the sport I suppose...but to say that growing the sport is what it's all about? Singular focus like that is what has led many areas of our great hobby of RC astray in recent years IMO.
As many others have suggested, why not form a committee who's sole purpose is to plan Worlds each year? I've heard that there's going to be a driver's meeting about the 2010 Worlds at this year's Worlds. That's an awesome step in the right direction, and I hope it leads to next year's event being planned in a much more timely manner and the workload spread a bit more evenly.
Personally I hate to see this sport go more towards the other types of RC hobbies. This is the entire reason I got into RC Crawling in the first place, because it's a great group of down to earth guys that are just out to have fun. I realize that some out there are full on competitors, but look at the population. What's the ratio of people that even WANT to be like that? Pretty slim. I'm with everyone else in the sense that it feels like this has all the sudden taken a change to where $$ is playing a big part in this for whoever is calling the shots now. Yeah, you say that it isn't the case, but that's damn sure not what every single person I've talked to believes. What you say is really going on, and everybody else's perception of what is going on are two different things. And trust me, the latter is making you all look like fools right now.
Another thing that really chaps me is the fact of this LCQ BS. We have been led to believe all year long that THE ONLY way to get into Nats was to be a sanctioned club and there woud be absolutely NO chance of a buy in, as was stated several times throughout the year. So, I got to work with two more of my club members. We jumped through every single hoop you all asked us to for us to become sanctioned. We flat out worked our F***ing asses off to get there too. Now, we're smacked in the face with the fact that "Oh, you don't have to be in a club, you just gotta come out here, get in the LCQ so we can make a little more $$, and then compete in Nats if you're one of the people to advance." Sorry, but that is flat out BS compared to what we've been told all year long. Yeah I think it's great that others are participating from different countries, but to my knowledge, and I could be wrong, Australia is the only other country that has a sanctioned club. What happened there?? (To any that are coming from other countries, I mean no ill will towards you all, I just feel like my club and myself got screwed out of a years worth of busting our asses)
Basically what it all boils down to is this.. You all have half, if not more of the people complaining about this entire deal. You have top named drivers, more than a few of them also, talking about quitting the sport alltogether just because of this move. Yet, you all are steadfast in your method, and don't seem to give a damn that a TON of people on RCC are raising hell about it. Pay attention guys, that many people bitching means there is something very wrong and needs to be addressed/fixed ASAP... If and when the top name crawlers start dropping out, it will have a major impact. People will see them quitting and then ask themselves, why should I keep this stuff up, if they're quitting, it must not even be worth it... My star is set to expire in oh, about 45 minutes. I can guarantee I won't be getting another one till I have been satisfied that this place has redeemed itself and its ways.. I know you couldn't care less about that, but it means something to me FWIW...
Another thing that really chaps me is the fact of this LCQ BS. We have been led to believe all year long that THE ONLY way to get into Nats was to be a sanctioned club and there woud be absolutely NO chance of a buy in, as was stated several times throughout the year. So, I got to work with two more of my club members. We jumped through every single hoop you all asked us to for us to become sanctioned. We flat out worked our F***ing asses off to get there too. Now, we're smacked in the face with the fact that "Oh, you don't have to be in a club, you just gotta come out here, get in the LCQ so we can make a little more $$, and then compete in Nats if you're one of the people to advance." Sorry, but that is flat out BS compared to what we've been told all year long. Yeah I think it's great that others are participating from different countries, but to my knowledge, and I could be wrong, Australia is the only other country that has a sanctioned club. What happened there?? (To any that are coming from other countries, I mean no ill will towards you all, I just feel like my club and myself got screwed out of a years worth of busting our asses)
Basically what it all boils down to is this.. You all have half, if not more of the people complaining about this entire deal. You have top named drivers, more than a few of them also, talking about quitting the sport alltogether just because of this move. Yet, you all are steadfast in your method, and don't seem to give a damn that a TON of people on RCC are raising hell about it. Pay attention guys, that many people bitching means there is something very wrong and needs to be addressed/fixed ASAP... If and when the top name crawlers start dropping out, it will have a major impact. People will see them quitting and then ask themselves, why should I keep this stuff up, if they're quitting, it must not even be worth it... My star is set to expire in oh, about 45 minutes. I can guarantee I won't be getting another one till I have been satisfied that this place has redeemed itself and its ways.. I know you couldn't care less about that, but it means something to me FWIW...
Kranberry
RCC Addict
Did you think it could be held at the same location forever?
You know as well as I do that we could use that same patch of rocks forever.
Matter of fact I do. 801RCC has been crawling in the same maybe an acre of rocks since crawling has been in Utah. That would be little Moab. There are still new lines being found all the times. The potato salad hill area is BIGGER than little moab. I have crawled there, there is thousands of lines out there.
You know as well as I do that we could use that same patch of rocks forever.
Matter of fact I do. 801RCC has been crawling in the same maybe an acre of rocks since crawling has been in Utah. That would be little Moab. There are still new lines being found all the times. The potato salad hill area is BIGGER than little moab. I have crawled there, there is thousands of lines out there.
metalry101
Quarry Creeper
Berry...you're right, they could find new lines and such, but still, this is a nationwide event. I have no problem with not going back to Potato Salad this year. Locally we only have so many options for comp spots, so we make do with what we have. We get creative and come up with new lines and such, but every time we find a cool new spot, we try to incoorporate it into the schedule to keep things fresh and interesting.
Nationals, or Worlds, doesn't have to have travel limitations and such like the majority of local comps, so why limit it? There's no reason to say that Nationals has to be in the same spot every year. Variety is good as long as it's done right. I mean look at where they're going. Everyone says the terrain at Donner is awesome, so I believe them, and obviously it's a good place to practice, because Jake can hang with anyone. Those boys from SERCRC can flat-out crawl too. I personally don't think of the Dirty South when I think of crawling, but obviously they've found some badass terrain somewhere, because they sure represent well when they get to Nats. Moving the event around, like they do in every other area of RC, is fine by me. I'm not big on the added cost this year, or the additional sway that the sponsors have. Those traits of rc racing can stay with racing as far as I'm concerned, but the traveling event...that's an awesome plan as long as it's executed well. I'd love to have Worlds locally every year...but I think that's a bit selfish given how much awesome crawling terrain there is across this country.
FrankyRizzo
I wanna be Dave
I still like the amenities Moab had to offer better. Maybe if it is in Donner next year I will bring my golf clubs and fly rod. :roll:
For the first year made plans to camp and stay longer to hit the trails. I still plan on going to Moab. Whether I go to "Worlds" is based on a few variables. I am not happy with the short notice to change the location and date. The date might also conflict right now as well.
I think this will greatly affect the attendance of some of the usual suspects.
webster420
Quarry Creeper
ya it does suck they did changed it up. But Donner was awesome. I cant wait. its only 5 hrs to moab and 10hrs to Donner so not to bad of a change either.
racer - x
Quarry Creeper
I don't know you but finally a post from someone that makes sense i don't agree with all of the changes -timing -etc but theres not alot anyone can do about it but try and make it a positive experiance and hope for better timing and planning next year
Fishmaxx
I wanna be Dave
The reality of situation is there is only 66 slots that could have been earned through club competition. Whether you agree or disagree with the situation as far as location or dates I think its silly to insist that Nationals/Worlds be restricted to a field of 66.
I think the problem is everyones definition of what a "BUY-IN" is diffrent. To alot of us it meant getting a Nationals slot only depended on the speed of your Internet connection to get in. This not the case with the LCQ.
Everyone keeps saying that is gone corporate, but in years past sponsors got exemption's into Nats, and this year they have to go through the LCQ."thumbsup"
A lot of the complaints are VERY justified, but the LCQ is NOT one of them.
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Arct1k
Quarry Creeper
Fish - How do we get to 100?
66 Max slots from locals
15 LCQ
5 Top 5 last yeat
? Judges
?
= 100
66 Max slots from locals
15 LCQ
5 Top 5 last yeat
? Judges
?
= 100
same as the government inflation "thumbsup"
Ok, I can go with that to an extent.. But, lemme ask you this, why do all of the LCQ competitors have to pay the $95 as if they are competing in the full comp?? Seems a little ridiculous to me on that front.. Why not give them a drastically reduced fee, or even better yet, make it free unless you are one of the 15 that advance, at which time those would have to pay the normal entry fee....
Fishmaxx
I wanna be Dave
Your question deserves a reply, but I can't answer the question because I have no input into the financial matters of USRCCA.
My duties are limited to the area of Rules, Sanctioned Clubs, and Qualified Drivers.
My duties are limited to the area of Rules, Sanctioned Clubs, and Qualified Drivers.
drumbeater
RCC Addict
binaryterror
I wanna be Dave
They still get to run and are making the event take longer. Its a great idea for clubs chock full of talent that an invite is gold.
I agree some discount though would be nice for them. I'd say 50% to be LCQ and 50% once they do make it to the big show.
dezfan
I wanna be Dave
There's going to be wrestling as well?:mrgreen:
I agree, LCQ competitors shouldn't pay the same price unless they qualify in the top 15.
renoirbud
RCC Addict
I think that the amount of effort required to run the LCQ the entry fee is justified.
I am happy to pay it and I know that having Parker set up the LCQ courses will make the Worlds even better. You learn something everytime you set up a course and have a bunch of different people run it.
I am happy to pay it and I know that having Parker set up the LCQ courses will make the Worlds even better. You learn something everytime you set up a course and have a bunch of different people run it.
