G-Made Piggyback shocks on Wraith

[lurchy]

I'm fixing to get new shocks and cant decide between the 95mm or 103mm which crawls best 95mm or 103mm any help would be greatly appreciated

[TheScaleAddict]

Longer shocks allow for more flex. If you want to crawl, I would suggest 124mm shocks. This will give you he flex you need. However, it will also lift your rig, raising the COG. For that, you will need some elevated shock towers to lower it, thereby reducing your COG to leas than that of a stock Wraith. Flex and a low COG are friends if you like to crawl.

[lurchy]

who makes the 124mm shock i haven't seen any

[TheScaleAddict]

gMade. You can find them used on eBay. There are others though. RC4WD King shocks measure longer. I think Integy makes some too...

[dunerinaz]

I'd go with the shorter shocks. More "flex" doesn't mean it will crawl better and in some cases will actually make it worse.

[xgerstandtx]

I went with the 93mm. "droop" is good, but the increased ride height of a tall (+100mm) makes it tipsy. You can use a lowering "kit" but I would imagine you would be happy with a 93mm shock and tuning of springs and weight bias.
That Makes a crawler/scaler work well in all condtions. The biggest thing is TUNE your shocks that you decide to get. It will make your life better while running the wraith.

[TheScaleAddict]

Originally Posted by dunerinaz

I'd go with the shorter shocks. More "flex" doesn't mean it will crawl better and in some cases will actually make it worse.

Really? What 'cases' would those be?

[crawler nut]

I have 124m Integy shocks on my wraith. I limited the travel to the same as stock. I also out boarded them and mounted them on the same level as the links.

Long shocks DO NOT equal better crawling. Just ask a few people and you will get the reasoning. Holes, cracks and many other instances where your tire drops in to far and gets you bound up and broke or rolled over are just a couple of examples.

[TheScaleAddict]

Pointless argument. Six of one vs. half a dozen of another. Still, I'll take my extra flex and superior driving skills over limited travel any day.

[cushdog58]

i run integy msr10 droop style on medium springs. 110mm pretty sweet!

[xgerstandtx]

I strongly agree with the fact that less travel is in most times better. I would much rather "carry" a wheel over a crack rather than flex down through it and try to balance that out. It is a proven fact over and over. More flex is not always better. Actually it is most of the time a hindrance.

Go do research on a xr10, sportsman, even a MRC. Shock limiters is commonplace in all these platforms. As fas as Scalers go(which is a stretch for most wraith's) the weight transfer(heavy) is better to keep a lower flex and keep forward momentum.

I sincerely think that your "long travel" shocks are better idea is misguided.

[TheScaleAddict]

Stock wraith flex is pathetic. The flex I have with the 124mm shocks and the shock towers is proportional to what it would be on a built 1:1 Jeep. Eden with the added flex, it wouldn't score 1000 on a rti ramp.

[dunerinaz]

There's a reason why even in 1:1, they don't run mega flex anymore. Long gone are the elliptical setups or huge travel link setups. It just doesn't work as well. Same goes for our wraiths. I've tried different setups and I can promise you, limited flex will outperform large amounts of flex in just about every situation. Super flex is good for pictures.

[dunerinaz]

Originally Posted by cephas

Really? What 'cases' would those be?

What "case"? Just about every single one.

[Joshs4x4toyz]

Originally Posted by dunerinaz

There's a reason why even in 1:1, they don't run mega flex anymore. Long gone are the elliptical setups or huge travel link setups. It just doesn't work as well. Same goes for our wraiths. I've tried different setups and I can promise you, limited flex will outperform large amounts of flex in just about every situation. Super flex is good for pictures.

"Ignorance, unlike stupidity, is curable; enlighten me."

Duner just hooked you up. neither rc or 1:1 would benefit. Just think of the geometry. Your gonna need those superior driving skills so atleast you got em

[sierrajim]

Originally Posted by cephas

Stock wraith flex is pathetic. The flex I have with the 124mm shocks and the shock towers is proportional to what it would be on a built 1:1 Jeep. Eden with the added flex, it wouldn't score 1000 on a rti ramp.

How does scoring 1,000 on an RTI make your vehicle work better?

Flex can sometimes be handy, controlling that flex is however the only way to make it actually useful.

I personally have found that as long as you can ramp your junk onto the exquavilent of one of it's own tyres in height, then that's plenty. So most of my scalers can pick a wheel up 4 - 4 1/4 inches without lifting another wheel off the ground.

Any more and you struggle to deal with torque twist let alone roll stiffness.

[TheScaleAddict]

OMG... My point was that my Wraith WOULD NOT score 1000. It has more flex than stock, which I prefer. It doesn't have 'super flex'. If you don't agree with my opinion, that's fine. Just remember... Opinions are like buttholes; don't be one. I won't be one either.

[lurchy]

guys I just ask for a little help

[K.Hess]

depends on what kind of driving you will/ are doing. I plan on getting the 103s and do a lowering kit since I am building towards a KOH style of car I want a touch more oil and travel for a high speed hit. it it is more of a trail/ crawler not much go fast I would go with the 95s
hope that helps

[alaskancrawler]

I'm running power stroke slash fronts on all 4 corners of my wraith with yellow springs. 45 weight oil in the front and 30 weight oil in the rear. Have three different sets of tires depending in where I'm crawling. But all tires are running CI foams narrow inners with medium outer foams front, narrow inners firm outer rear. I use that wraith strictly for crawling. It clings to rocks like a spider monkey. Good luck and have fun with set ups. Also talk with your local guys about setups.