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shiftauto 10-04-2017 07:37 PM

Re: From the "tub up"
 
Droop may not be the best word but it looks like its lacking travel for sure. Here's a couple pics of my shocks @ ride height, full extension, and compression. It doesn't look like your shocks are extending when the wheels are off the ground. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ddfc6b3de5.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...cbf104420e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0b31b41f87.jpg

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shiftauto 10-04-2017 07:40 PM

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Does the suspension travel smoothly? Is anything binding? Here are those same shocks on the rear of a Wraith. Its obviously a bit different but they have full travel...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4c808df8a8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...fc647bf27b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...af2e7c3514.jpg

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Cheez 10-04-2017 08:18 PM

Re: From the "tub up"
 
Thanks for the pics, they help.
I futzed with the sway bar, seems to help a little. Plus the shocks may not be filled properly...gonna check them tomorrow.

Cheez 10-05-2017 03:22 PM

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So I have to use the longer plastic body posts bending them slightly to attach the cage because the Luxury panels aren’t a perfect fit and the reservoirs just barely clear the cage. Ordering power plant tomorrow :ror:
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1507238436
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1507238436
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1507238436

Cheez 10-12-2017 03:22 PM

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Hoping to be rolling soon :)
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1507843314

shiftauto 10-12-2017 05:06 PM

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I bet your excited to get that rig out for a shakedown!!

Cheez 10-12-2017 07:12 PM

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Totally excited! Venom LiPo 3S 11.1V 5200mAh 50C Is on the way.
The MMX intimidates me a little though.

DavidH 10-12-2017 10:37 PM

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What gearing will you be using? Would you not want to run 4s with the 2100kv motor and the MMX?

Cheez 10-13-2017 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidH (Post 5756715)
What gearing will you be using? Would you not want to run 4s with the 2100kv motor and the MMX?

I was planning on 16/64
Would 4s work well with the combo I’m using?
I’m a novice so I’m open to input and ideas.

DavidH 10-13-2017 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheez (Post 5756867)
I was planning on 16/64
Would 4s work well with the combo I’m using?
I’m a novice so I’m open to input and ideas.

I'm a novice at brushless motors myself, but as I understand it, the motor rpm is a factor of the kv rating and the battery voltage.

I got the impression earlier in this thread that you wanted some speed (vs crawling); if you are looking at getting the wheel speed of what you would get with a 3s battery and a 3xxx kv motor you will need to gear up or volt up (go to 4s) with this motor.

Someone more knowledgeable can chime in if I've missed something here.

Cheez 10-13-2017 05:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidH (Post 5756888)
I'm a novice at brushless motors myself, but as I understand it, the motor rpm is a factor of the kv rating and the battery voltage.

I got the impression earlier in this thread that you wanted some speed (vs crawling); if you are looking at getting the wheel speed of what you would get with a 3s battery and a 3xxx kv motor you will need to gear up or volt up (go to 4s) with this motor.

Someone more knowledgeable can chime in if I've missed something here.

You are correct sir"thumbsup"
4s will still be well below 50,000 rpm max spec’d for 540XL 2100KV
Ordered SMC Factory Spec 14.8V 5600mAh 60C
Motor should be efficient and not overheat.
Recommendations on gearing?

DavidH 10-13-2017 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheez (Post 5756669)
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The MMX intimidates me a little though.

Why? Setup and programming? Hooking up the aux wire?

Cheez 10-13-2017 06:30 PM

Re: From the "tub up"
 
Set up and programming I should be okay. Not sure what to do with the auxiliary wire and this is my first sensored motor.

magic_yeti 10-14-2017 12:18 AM

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for the yeti the rock racer/crawler mode is really nice. i have set it to a seperate channel so i have up to 20% dragbrake race over crawler mode. some hock it to the shifter so 1. gear crawler and 2. gear race mode. crawler mode fwd / rev race fwd / break / rev.

regarding gearing start with the planned stock gearing 16/64, but you can go up with pinion i run the 3800kv on 3s with 19/64 no issues. take a temp gun to check temp while testing.

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Cheez 10-14-2017 06:30 PM

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Had to butcher the battery tray in order to accommodate the sensor wire and give the two speed linkage room to move. Probably will end up using Velcro straps to secure battery. So far it’s rolling smoothly on the floor :mrgreen:

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1508027267
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1508027267

DavidH 10-15-2017 12:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheez (Post 5756906)
You are correct sir"thumbsup"
4s will still be well below 50,000 rpm max spec’d for 540XL 2100KV
Ordered SMC Factory Spec 14.8V 5600mAh 60C
Motor should be efficient and not overheat.
Recommendations on gearing?

With the 2-speed and 4s power you probably have enough flexibility to just start with what you have, and go from there.

I can imagine using the data logs from the MMX for temperatures and motor RPM to fine tune things, but I'd start with just getting it out there, and see if you can manage the wheel spin. :)

DavidH 10-15-2017 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheez (Post 5756918)
Set up and programming I should be okay. Not sure what to do with the auxiliary wire and this is my first sensored motor.

As for sensored, the connectors are not waterproof, so make sure you've coated them well with dielectric grease. My Tekin motor included a tube of this stuff.

For the aux wire, I recommend connecting it in parallel with the servo for the two-speed transmission. This way you should not find yourself accidentally letting off the throttle on a speed run, expecting the truck to coast to a stop, only to find that the drag brake engages instead. :shock:

Test it first, but I expect that this will require a servo reverser such as the Expert Electronics EXRA320 with integrated y-cable. The reverser is needed if the third channel engages crawler mode on the ESC while shifting into high gear.

If you find that you don't need the reverser, you can make or buy a simple y-cable.

https://i.imgur.com/T6xeqfh.jpg

Cheez 10-15-2017 06:32 PM

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Ugh!! Was MMX a stoopid:cry: purchase? It won’t fit on either ESC mount. I’m looking for creative help.
I could always use it in one of my YXL’s but really want it for this project.
Some of you have been really helpful (you know who you are) , searched but could find a solution.
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1508113910

DavidH 10-15-2017 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheez (Post 5757519)
Ugh!! Was MMX a stoopid:cry: purchase?

It's probably overkill for the yeti, but then so is 4s and the 2100kv motor. :)
Quote:

It won’t fit on either ESC mount. I’m looking for creative help.
I could always use it in one of my YXL’s but really want it for this project.
Some of you have been really helpful (you know who you are) , searched but could find a solution.
1) use GOOP to fasten the ESC to the flat ESC mount, leaving only the front and one of the side screw holes exposed. There is not a lot of mass here, and two screws should hold it well enough. I only use two screws on my yeti, having made the pan too narrow to use both sides of the mount.

or 2) fasten the flat ESC mount in with three screws, and then attach the ESC to the mount with this stuff, from Home Depot:

https://images.homedepot.ca/is/image...g?$plpProduct$

https://www.scotchbrand.com/3M/en_US...4529207&rt=rud

magic_yeti 10-16-2017 12:12 AM

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+1 use the flat one and then outdoor double sided tape to mount and a zip tie to secure it. i use tesa outdoor tape tesa Powerbond® OUTDOOR - tesa great stuff "thumbsup"

yes the mmx is overkill but i like overkill electronics, cause they never run at their limit :mrgreen:

Roach374 10-16-2017 01:38 PM

Re: From the "tub up"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheez (Post 5757519)
Ugh!! Was MMX a stoopid:cry: purchase? It won’t fit on either ESC mount. I’m looking for creative help.
I could always use it in one of my YXL’s but really want it for this project.
Some of you have been really helpful (you know who you are) , searched but could find a solution.
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1508113910

I bought a separate mount for this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J4MG1OS

Works like a charm, with a bit of Xacto-knife surgery. I originally tried just mounting it with some servo tape to the flat mount, but it kept coming off. Much more secure with this Mamba ESC cage.

Cheez 10-16-2017 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Roach374 (Post 5757777)
I bought a separate mount for this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J4MG1OS

Works like a charm, with a bit of Xacto-knife surgery. I originally tried just mounting it with some servo tape to the flat mount, but it kept coming off. Much more secure with this Mamba ESC cage.

Thank you!
I went ahead and ordered it.
Can you share a pic?

Cheez 10-22-2017 06:44 PM

Re: From the "tub up"
 
Ok, so mounting the MMX is going to be a PITA! The holes on the RPM plate don’t line up. I’ll probably glue the RPM plate to the stock plate and go from there.

magic_yeti 10-23-2017 08:04 AM

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Double tape and zip tie :mrgreen: easy cheap and clean. no pita 8)
just use the correct double tape mine is so sticky that if i have to remove the mmx i'm afraid to break the housing "thumbsup"

Cheez 10-23-2017 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by magic_yeti (Post 5759926)
Double tape and zip tie :mrgreen: easy cheap and clean. no pita 8)
just use the correct double tape mine is so sticky that if i have to remove the mmx i'm afraid to break the housing "thumbsup"

Awesome! Thanks :)

magic_yeti 10-23-2017 12:04 PM

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But you have to remove the paper on the bottom of the mmx if using double tape to mount. my fault i forgot it first time and on a huge hit my mmx came off. sticker was still hold by the tape:mrgreen:. that's the reason for the zip tie just in case 8)

Roach374 10-23-2017 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheez (Post 5759811)
Ok, so mounting the MMX is going to be a PITA! The holes on the RPM plate don’t line up. I’ll probably glue the RPM plate to the stock plate and go from there.

Sorry, I'll try to post a pic tonight, but the holes lined up perfectly for me. Just my motor mount was in the way, so I had to trim a corner off the ESC cage, and remove one of the mounting points for the ESC switch (there's a mounting point on each side. Just pick one, and remove the other one). What sorts of issues are you running into?

Cheez 10-23-2017 07:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roach374 (Post 5760087)
Sorry, I'll try to post a pic tonight, but the holes lined up perfectly for me. Just my motor mount was in the way, so I had to trim a corner off the ESC cage, and remove one of the mounting points for the ESC switch (there's a mounting point on each side. Just pick one, and remove the other one). What sorts of issues are you running into?

Thanks for your input. There was no way the RPM was going to work. $10 in the trash :cry: nothing lined up nothing fit. Going with Scotch Extreme fasteners on stock mounting plate.

Cheez 10-27-2017 05:19 PM

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Ugh! So close! I need help please. I’ve been at it for days.
I’ve got everything installed and mounted,gear mesh is good,2 speed action is good. End points seem to be good, I can change gears by hand easily. Everything turns by hand and rolls across floor smoothly. When I connect battery servos and motor fine but the pinion just spins spur and I can’t get the clutch to engage. I’ve tightened the spring 6-8.5 mm, even tried completely tightening it. Haven’t had this problem with my other rigs so I’m stumped.

shiftauto 10-27-2017 06:51 PM

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What do you mean by “getting the clutch to engage?” Are you not getting power to the wheels? If you spin the spur manually do the outputs spin?

Cheez 10-27-2017 07:08 PM

Re: From the "tub up"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shiftauto (Post 5761567)
What do you mean by “getting the clutch to engage?” Are you not getting power to the wheels? If you spin the spur manually do the outputs spin?

I can spin the spur easily by hand and it will spin the transmission shaft turning the wheels.. Under power the spur spins but doesn’t spin the transmission shaft.

shiftauto 10-27-2017 07:38 PM

Re: From the "tub up"
 
I’m not sure what spur your running but in the pics on page 3 or 4 it looks like you have both the original style slipper plate(flat washer looking ones) and the vented slipper plates installed. I’d take the washer style ones off and only use the vented style then give it another shot.

magic_yeti 10-28-2017 06:57 AM

Re: From the "tub up"
 
to check the clutch adjustment put it on the wheels and tide it up to the point where you barley can move the spur. then a little bit more till you can't move it. that's how i did it. all with out movement on the tires.

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Lavaheadache 11-01-2017 06:55 PM

Re: From the "tub up"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheez (Post 5760143)
Thanks for your input. There was no way the RPM was going to work. $10 in the trash :cry: nothing lined up nothing fit. Going with Scotch Extreme fasteners on stock mounting plate.


I don't know what you had trouble with using the rpm cage. That is precisely how I have my MMX mounted in my Yeti. Works perfect. Everything lines up without issue. I might have had to shave the corner of it like roach said, can't remember.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e6...psunoaikhq.jpg

Cheez 11-02-2017 02:13 PM

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I’m recovering from surgery.... will address mounting esc and clutch issues in a week or so.

Antsiranean 11-02-2017 03:20 PM

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Ouch! All the best! I hope you're doing fine.

magic_yeti 11-02-2017 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Antsiranean (Post 5763407)
Ouch! All the best! I hope you're doing fine.

Me 2

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Cheez 11-04-2017 02:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shiftauto (Post 5761577)
I’m not sure what spur your running but in the pics on page 3 or 4 it looks like you have both the original style slipper plate(flat washer looking ones) and the vented slipper plates installed. I’d take the washer style ones off and only use the vented style then give it another shot.

I’m baffled :x
I tried without “washer style plates” part# ax31059 ,still no go. I’ve tried completely tightening slipper spring, no go. 2 speed transmission shaft spins freely both directions but when I put everything together and apply power, no go, spur just spins.
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1509825508
What am I missing?

84yoda 11-04-2017 02:27 PM

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Last piece on the right, you should have 2.

I had tons of problems with my slipper setup on the YXL, and it uses the same slipper parts. The fix was a robinson racing yeti gen 3 slipper set up."thumbsup"

magic_yeti 11-04-2017 02:28 PM

Re: From the "tub up"
 
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Originally Posted by Cheez (Post 5764002)
I’m baffled :x
I tried without “washer style plates” part# ax31059 ,still no go. I’ve tried completely tightening slipper spring, no go. 2 speed transmission shaft spins freely both directions but when I put everything together and apply power, no go, spur just spins.
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1509825508
What am I missing?

On the back of the slipper pad is a doubletape. You have not glued the slipper pads to the spur.[emoji41]

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