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magic_yeti 11-04-2017 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 84yoda (Post 5764008)
Last piece on the right, you should have 2.

I had tons of problems with my slipper setup on the YXL, and it uses the same slipper parts. The fix was a robinson racing yeti gen 3 slipper set up."thumbsup"

No only one is used, on the trans side, of the vented plates you mention in the 1/10. in the pic it say's 2 peaces picture is correctly showing only one like the parts list in the first part of the manual. called my lhs cause only one was in my kit. it's an error in the manual even the optional came in 2 pcs pack maybe that's the difference to the yxl.

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84yoda 11-04-2017 08:17 PM

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I just checked the yeti manual and it does only use one, weird.

And yes the slipper pads needs to stick to the spur gear. That's the problem.

Antsiranean 11-05-2017 02:54 PM

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I am glad I am following this thread, since I didn't know the slipper pads were supposed to be taped to the spur gear. I did the whole motor assembly two days ago, and now have to remove the spur gear and fix this thing. To my great surprise I find that I can't remove the spur gear without either removing the chassis top brace, or the whole motor assembly. Lots of screws for a simple spur gear change, right? Or am I missing something?

magic_yeti 11-05-2017 02:58 PM

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Depends. It could be made only with dismounting the spur cover.8)
Little tricky to get it out with the brace mounted but possible."thumbsup"

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Cheez 11-05-2017 05:34 PM

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On the back of the slipper pad is a doubletape. You have not glued the slipper pads to the spur.[emoji41]

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Thanks guys for following my problems.
It was a lame oversight ( no flaming plz:roll:) I’ve “stuck “ the slipper pads to the spur, still no go. I’m still struggling with post surgery issues, so time spent on it is minimal right now. So close to being finished, darn slipper clutch :cry:
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1509928731
This is what’s in my manual. I’m using the optional parts.

Cheez 11-05-2017 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 84yoda (Post 5764008)
Last piece on the right, you should have 2.

I had tons of problems with my slipper setup on the YXL, and it uses the same slipper parts. The fix was a robinson racing yeti gen 3 slipper set up."thumbsup"

Is it really a problem solver? If I can’t get this problem solved I’m considering totally disassembling, but common sense and logic ( which I’m short on right now ) says it’s a fixable mechanical issue. The spur spins but not the transmission shaft. I may just go ahead and get RR gen 3 if you highly recommend.
Btw, I have 2 YXL’s one kit one rtr ,and an upgraded rtr yeti.... zero clutch problems.

magic_yeti 11-06-2017 09:44 AM

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if you spin the trans input shaft do the t-case output shaft spin?
the spur rotation will be transferred to the input shaft by the vented and the other 2 slipper plates check if its working if you spin these.
if not some thing in the trans is wrong. if you have 2-speed check that a gear is in.

Cheez 11-06-2017 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by magic_yeti (Post 5764431)
if you spin the trans input shaft do the t-case output shaft spin?
the spur rotation will be transferred to the input shaft by the vented and the other 2 slipper plates check if its working if you spin these.
if not some thing in the trans is wrong. if you have 2-speed check that a gear is in.

Yes, I believe I mentioned it earlier, the transmission input shaft moves freely and easily both directions in both gears moving the wheels.
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1509990699

shiftauto 11-06-2017 11:09 AM

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Do you have a different spur/slipper combo you can install to test with? The slipper is a pretty basic setup and shouldnt take this much diagnosis. I’d also do all the spin testing from the spur side and not the wheels. Manually rotate the spur, do the outputs rotate, do the wheels rotate? Can you post a video of your testing? There’s probably something small that we are all overlooking. @ this point you may want to disassemble the trans/2 speed and do it over again. Does the input shaft have any play in it? In/out up/down side/side etc?

shiftauto 11-06-2017 11:14 AM

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Spin things one @ a time while installing too. Vented plate, spin manually, check that the center hole of the plate has the flats is properly engaged and is oblongged or anything. Hope that makes sense...

shiftauto 11-06-2017 11:28 AM

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This may be a dumb question but I’ll throw it out there. Are you supposed to be running a bearing in the center of your spur gear instead of the little plastic bushing that normally goes in that spot? I know my Gen 3 has a bearing there but I’m not sure if it’s necessary or possibly a bad thing on the gear you’re using.

magic_yeti 11-06-2017 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by shiftauto (Post 5764461)
This may be a dumb question but I’ll throw it out there. Are you supposed to be running a bearing in the center of your spur gear instead of the little plastic bushing that normally goes in that spot? I know my Gen 3 has a bearing there but I’m not sure if it’s necessary or possibly a bad thing on the gear you’re using.

i installed a bearing right at the start, never used the plastic spacer. no problems. the spur has to spin freely without slipper engaged. so using a bearing is an improvement."thumbsup" if i used this instead of a quality bearing it would be melted before the plastic spur does8)

shiftauto 11-06-2017 12:35 PM

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Just wasn’t sure. I’ve run my rig on 3S 19/64 gearing with the plastic spur and bushing forever and never had an issue with it. I only ran into heat issues with that gearing. Cheez’s issue has me perplexed big time.

Cheez 11-06-2017 01:21 PM

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Just went through the whole process again, this time removed motor and put back, gear mesh is fine. Once again With spur removed I can spin transmission shaft in both gears and everything rotates smooth and at the same time I can spin wheels both directions in both gears and transmission shaft spins smoothly. Installed clutch per manual and when I manually spin the spur both directions the wheels rotate. When I apply power the #*@# spur just spins. WTF!
Giving up on it... Robinson Racing Gen3 Slipper Unit 64T Spur w/Ridged Hub is ordered. Gives me time to recover from surgery anyway.
It’s a no budget project anyway, probably should have gone this route to begin with.
Hopefully someone out there has a solution for this particular problem and will share with the community.

84yoda 11-06-2017 06:05 PM

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Good choice.

A few things after you get it installed and go for a spin, tighten the nut down tight, its going to slip and break in, which is good but at the same time, the spur gets stupid hot and could toast the bearing, it gets that hot. So keep the spur cover off, take it for some hard pulls and keep the nut locked down, as it breaks in the nut can be tighten even more. After it stops slipping with the nut tight means its broken in and you can slowly back the nut off a hair while doing some more pulls till you like the slip. Then your good to go."thumbsup"

Cheez 11-12-2017 03:56 PM

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I’m a little more focused now...
The RR Gen 3 gave me grief at first but I got it working:)
Entire drive train is running smoothly in both gears (bench test on stand) :ror:
When shifting it’s not engaging every time, I’ve read that is a common problem with 2 speed transmission when new.
I think my end points are good but the Servo is getting pretty hot.
SSD 2 speed transmission owners help me out here.... should the Servo (Tactic TSX55) get hot at all?

DavidH 11-12-2017 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheez (Post 5766346)
I’m a little more focused now...
The RR Gen 3 gave me grief at first but I got it working:)
Entire drive train is running smoothly in both gears (bench test on stand) :ror:
When shifting it’s not engaging every time, I’ve read that is a common problem with 2 speed transmission when new.

If you are rolling (and you should be) it should engage very time; keep in mind that the transmission is not using a clutch or syncros, so it may be a 'notchy' engagement.
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I think my end points are good but the Servo is getting pretty hot.
SSD 2 speed transmission owners help me out here.... should the Servo (Tactic TSX55) get hot at all?
I'm guessing that you have a fairly new radio system.

I don't see this listed as a 'digital' servo, so you should unplug it immediately.

Many of the newer radio receivers will run analog servos but the servo, in trying to keep up with the finer resolution of the new receivers, will overheat and die in short order.

You will want to use a tactic '47 or '57. Or something better than tactic :D. Something waterproof, at least.

Cheez 11-12-2017 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidH (Post 5766376)
If you are rolling (and you should be) it should engage very time; keep in mind that the transmission is not using a clutch or syncros, so it may be a 'notchy' engagement.

I'm guessing that you have a fairly new radio system.

I don't see this listed as a 'digital' servo, so you should unplug it immediately.

Many of the newer radio receivers will run analog servos but the servo, in trying to keep up with the finer resolution of the new receivers, will overheat and die in short order.

You will want to use a tactic '47 or '57. Or something better than tactic :D. Something waterproof, at least.

Great info! Thanks! I’ll use the 55 till it dies then go with the ‘57

Cheez 11-12-2017 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lavaheadache (Post 5763140)
I don't know what you had trouble with using the rpm cage. That is precisely how I have my MMX mounted in my Yeti. Works perfect. Everything lines up without issue. I might have had to shave the corner of it like roach said, can't remember.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e6...psunoaikhq.jpg

I’m gonna give the RPM cage a second chance (hey what’s another 10 bucks)based on your post. My first one the holes didn’t line up at all. Hopefully the one on its way will work.
I should be able to finish up this project within a week or so "thumbsup"

Cheez 11-13-2017 06:25 PM

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Getting closer...
Still a couple of minor issues, got an off balance/ wobbling right front wheel ....
Waiting on the back order interior and a second body that I’ll paint.
Considering 18/64 ratio
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1510622571

Cheez 11-13-2017 08:14 PM

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Next project :ror:
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1510629223

DavidH 11-14-2017 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheez (Post 5766382)
Great info! Thanks! I’ll use the 55 till it dies then go with the ‘57

I don't know why you wouldn't simply pull to the 55 out to use with an older radio, but it's your money. Just keep them out of the wet. I lost a tactic servo last year to water from melting snow. Now I only buy waterproof.

Antsiranean 11-15-2017 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheez (Post 5766803)

I think you need to elaborate on this a bit, not by a thousand words perhaps, but the picture ain't tellin' me nothing. You gonna build a Bomber?

magic_yeti 11-15-2017 06:27 AM

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a second body that I’ll paint.
maybe the inspiration for this or just a teaser :mrgreen:

Cheez 11-15-2017 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidH (Post 5767120)
I don't know why you wouldn't simply pull to the 55 out to use with an older radio, but it's your money. Just keep them out of the wet. I lost a tactic servo last year to water from melting snow. Now I only buy waterproof.

I was able to return the 55 and exchange for the 57 for only a few extra bucks.
Where I run my rigs water is not an issue "thumbsup"

Cheez 11-15-2017 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by magic_yeti (Post 5767178)
maybe the inspiration for this or just a teaser :mrgreen:

I’m so close to being finished (waiting on RR 18t pinion, TSX 57 servo, & RPM esc cage) that I am already looking ahead. The good news is as it sits now it’s “ scooting” around the garage nicely. And yes a Bomber would be my next project "thumbsup"
I was getting pumped up looking at the KOH website.

Cheez 11-19-2017 04:19 PM

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IT’S DONE !!! :mrgreen:
That first RPM esc mount was totally bogus, new one works fine :ror:
I’m happy with Robinson racing 18 t pinion and Gen 3 spur"thumbsup"
Street testing on 4 s went well.
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1511133450
I’ll post final “ shelf queen “ and trail pics soon.

poohsad 11-20-2017 08:02 AM

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The end of an era.

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Cheez 11-20-2017 09:54 AM

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I was able to purchase a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon body on Amazon :ror:
It may be my body of choice. Look familiar? See post #183
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1511196795

Cheez 11-20-2017 03:24 PM

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Well it’s been six months and bags of $$$
I really appreciate everyone’s help. Patience was important for a project like this and the price tag was a little over the top. I consider it allowance well spent ;-)
All things considered, every vendor was helpful (Ottsix could have been better) with issues I encountered. Final steps will be the Jeep body and the back order interior which won’t come until mid December. I’m looking forward to hitting the trails and getting it dirty.
So here are my gratuitous completion pictures including Family shots.
I’ll update when new body and interior are done "thumbsup"
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1511216356
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1511216356
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http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1511216356

Cheez 11-22-2017 10:23 AM

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WTF! :x
Doing a simple shocks test, dropping from 12 inches and the shaft on the proline sheared clean off. I’m returning for replacement. I may put them on the back of my RTR and go with Icons for the front of my project.
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1511371363

magic_yeti 11-22-2017 02:57 PM

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:shock:what a failure:evil: i'm good in breaking things but not that good ;-)
hope it will sorted out fast

Cheez 11-26-2017 03:58 PM

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Just thought I would give a "thumbsup" to Ares magnetic tray.
Kept me organized.
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magic_yeti 11-26-2017 04:29 PM

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Also usefull if the little screws fall down :mrgreen:

Cheez 11-28-2017 02:40 PM

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HOT DAMN!!!
I was finally able to take it out to one of my bashing spots :)
Outstanding performance overall "thumbsup" SSD 2 speed worked great :) Holmes Hobby motor/servo/ Mamba X combo barely got warm... great speed and excellent crawling ability using SMC 4 s 5600
Sad to see it getting scuffed up:cry: but knew that was coming.

Cheez 12-03-2017 02:30 PM

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Going to give the Proline Wrangler Rubicon a try. It will be my second time painting, first time cutting:roll:. I’ll be spending time in the Paint and Body forum. Wish me luck....

magic_yeti 12-03-2017 02:38 PM

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you will made it"thumbsup"
before cutting just think twice :mrgreen: and meassure better one more time as needed 8) and take your time

Cheez 12-08-2017 02:40 PM

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DOH! Lost the screw shaft to my MIP rear C drive bashing today :x can’t find a replacement in my parts box. Is HW-SHSS/ M3 x .099 Pin Screw (2) #99062 the correct part?

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attac...1&d=1512768910

Brake Weight 12-08-2017 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheez (Post 5770315)
Just thought I would give a "thumbsup" to Ares magnetic tray.
Kept me organized.
156

Adding this to my wish list. Magnetic tray with two magnets=awesome.

84yoda 12-08-2017 06:24 PM

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Is HW-SHSS/ M3 x .099 Pin Screw (2) #99062 the correct part?

Yup. Make sure you use blue loctite."thumbsup"


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