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Old 10-04-2008, 08:25 AM   #61
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Im pretty sure the courses have gotten tighter/more tehnical in the last 12 months with the addition of berg/dig.

This is stupid.

I am pretty sure I run 3 of 4 courses at the 08 nats without a reverse or any penalty for that matter.And that was a month ago.
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Old 10-04-2008, 08:51 AM   #62
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Why would you want to reverse anyways. Change your mind on where you wanted to go? Heck the courses are laid out with markers and arrows is it that hard to follow???
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Old 10-04-2008, 09:01 AM   #63
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Why would you want to reverse anyways. Change your mind on where you wanted to go? Heck the courses are laid out with markers and arrows is it that hard to follow???

Not everyone has dig, so you have to reverse in spots.

No one says your club has to run the USRCCA rules, I think it would be pretty fun and challenging to do it without reverse.

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Old 10-04-2008, 09:06 AM   #64
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Berg dig.........How many bergs where there in the top 5 in super this year.........



0!!!!!


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actually there was one.. dont forget austin!
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Old 10-04-2008, 09:11 AM   #65
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Here is an idea, instead of completely killing the reverse, only allow so many per course and still count them as points. Lets say you are allowed 10 reverses per course and that is it. Now you have to be careful on the reverse you take. If you run out then you need to decide to reposition or figure out a different way to go. If you reverse after your tenth then the points go up 10 per reverse.

Rizzo at 69 points for gate 1 doesn't sound right to me. The way I read the rules you point out at that gate after 20 points. then you are moved fowards. you are only allowed 40 per course so why was he allowed to run up to 69 points. Or am I missing something stupid

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Rizzo at 69 points for gate 1 doesn't sound right to me. The way I read the rules you point out at that gate after 20 points. then you are moved fowards. you are only allowed 40 per course so why was he allowed to run up to 69 points. Or am I missing something stupid

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There was no 20 point bypass rule and Rizzo got 80 points per couse and then his score was divided in half (we thought it was only fair because he was running Proline tires).
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There was no 20 point bypass rule and Rizzo got 80 points per couse and then his score was divided in half (we thought it was only fair because he was running Proline tires).
well explained.
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Old 10-04-2008, 10:15 AM   #68
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You have got to be kidding me. This is a bunch of crap. For those who say "oh, i dont need reverse, i have dig" what if you are about to roll? You might need it to save taking a reposition. What about the 1:1 comps?? They use reverse.

I know that if this is true, then i will never go to another comp. Its just not worth the drive even if it was 10 minutes away from my house. You will be eliminating all newcomers to comps. There will be the same people going to nats each year.
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Old 10-04-2008, 10:33 AM   #69
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I agree that this goes beyond stupid. So some judges cry a little and a HUGE change is made? Does everyone not realize that there is already a time limit? So the time issue makes no valid case IMO. How about losing judges, b/c people stop showing up? I wonder how the vendors feel about this?
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Old 10-04-2008, 10:41 AM   #70
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If you have never judged a BIG event then you really dont know what some of us are saying...We have on average 70-80 competitors a comp and I hate judging from 9am til 8pm and this will help remedy the amount of time on courses...

And before you say then "dont judge" there is only a handful of people that even will judge for that amount of time...
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Old 10-04-2008, 10:48 AM   #71
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Yes. I have judged a big event. I judge almost every single one of our local comps. I was judging before I was even running. I have never complained. You big boys need to dry up the tears. Everyone gets the same amount of time. What was ridiculous was how long it took the judges to run at Nats. No one complained and we were all grateful for the hard work. I know what the judges went through that day. But you did get in free, so wtf? I was nice about it before, but I've lost that lovin' feelin'.
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Old 10-04-2008, 10:50 AM   #72
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You guys done riled up the mommabear!
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Old 10-04-2008, 10:53 AM   #73
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Well this is ridiculous. A handful cry and ruin things for everyone else. It's just like anything else people try to do. People forget that the reason any hobby starts is for fun...
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I'm sure this is bs, b/c it's in chit chat. But if it isn't, there's my piece
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Well this is ridiculous. A handful cry and ruin things for everyone else. It's just like anything else people try to do. People forget that the reason any hobby starts is for fun...

Exactly
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Old 10-04-2008, 11:06 AM   #76
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I wonder how the vendors feel about this?
and manufactures this is a colossally dumb IDEA by the biggest sanctioning body in the hobby.. I know if I was a BIG manufacture I would change my mind right now and go find another niche to support..

this is about control and limiting the hobby it is just gonna stunt growth... things keep going like they are and this will be like R/C racing a bunch of little dieing tracks with different rules all over the place.. and you guys will have one big event a year with 30 people at it sounds fun..
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I don't see how having no reverses will make events run quicker since there are still time limits in place, but it will make judging easier not having to watch every little move and catch the tiniest rollback.

Regardless, I have supported this since its' first mention almost a year ago.
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Old 10-04-2008, 11:12 AM   #78
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If you have never judged a BIG event then you really dont know what some of us are saying...We have on average 70-80 competitors a comp and I hate judging from 9am til 8pm and this will help remedy the amount of time on courses...

And before you say then "dont judge" there is only a handful of people that even will judge for that amount of time...
Then maybe its time to stop trying to cram everyone in on one day of competing. I know, people dont like doing things for two days and that will not work for everyone. But with the release of all these new crawlers, there will soon be 100+ people competing... and trying to get that done in 1 day will be insane. I would rather not have comps go to a 2-day event, but that might be what it takes unless we can figure out a way to get 80 people to run in 10 hours.

The way i am seeing this is that because the judges dont want to go for a full day, they make it so everyone else fails on every single course to speed things up. Now i am not saying that judging all day won't make you tired... because it will. I am saying that we should go at this a different way than eliminate reverses.
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Is the rules committee actually thinking about getting rid of reverse? I can't beleive what I'm hear...seeing. Is this a joke or not?
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You will be eliminating all newcomers to comps. There will be the same people going to nats each year.
I'm guessing thats what the "cool kid clique" is trying to do...
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