#1 thing to do is allow parents and teachers to discipline their kids. the comment about japans gun violence, i dunno but are they as ass backwards as we are with not allowing a parent to punish their kids? all the japanese and asian guys ive ever known grew up in VERY strict housholds. i grew up with great respect to others, and i can say 100% its because if i showed disrespect i got spanked or otherwise punished for it. i didnt get beat with a extension cord or locked in a closet overnight... just a couple sharp smacks by a hand, or belt if i really stepped out of line. and that shit worked.

and i hate people saying you dont need a semi auto assault rifle to hunt deer... that is not at all what the 2nd amendment is about. you need a semi auto assault rifle to protect yourself and overthrow a tyrannical government who will most assuredly have you outgunned and outnumbered. makes sense to arm yourself with the same as or close to the same weapons that will used against you if the worst case scenario ever happened.

commenting from my cell so my remarks are a little unfiltered and off the hip, but yeah... bring back the power to the parents and realize the 2nd amendment isnt about shooting animals in the woods.

btw i dont own a single firearm anymore.

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"thumbsup", what Hoopty said ;-). post #41

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Sigh......(good thread, not doing a "sigh" at current posts).;-)

Controlling guns is a good start.

Controlling the "nut jobs" is better, but a lot harder.

Sorta along the lines of, [cop] "I have a radar gun to catch speeders" but, "I don't have a stupid gun, to catch the mindless peeps", the "unsafe at any speed drivers", the "texting peeps", etc.

I would not want to be a cop, but, I see chances for them to catch those that should be caught.;-)

Same goes for a lot of, "Shooting rampage" peeps. With 20/20 hindsight, they are easy to spot.
But, this is a biggie, how do you draw the line from a "pissed person" vs. "Someone that will kill people"??

This goes back to WWII Germany with kids turning in parents, Communist countries having citizens turning in neighbors. Crap, even think of the McCarthy era in the US with blacklists.

There are VERY THIN LINES in this case.

How would you feel if you said one night at dinner, "I'm so pissed at XXX, I want him dead" only to have a "knock at the door" the next day because you, ""May do something wrong".:shock:

Be careful what you wish for.....you may just get it.......:roll:

PS, my IE Spellcheck provided a "correct" replacement for the thread title.......:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

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This is part of my discussion with my wife today.

Her question, "Why did the mother need an assault rifle"??
I had no good reason other than, "It's allowed".:roll:

On the discussion on the multi-shot handguns, I had a weak argument, but tried to say it was, "OK & allowed".

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Laws only affect the law-abiding. If not one more gun, bullet, or clip was sold, the senselessness would not stop.

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I have one other thing to bring up, don't hear it as much but in my little brain seems just as relevent if not more relevant in this gun controversy.
I don't play video games, never have. I have seen and watched many of them played over the years.
From "Pong" (yeah I know) to the newest game today a lot has changed (right alongside TV).
Pac Man, that violent little overeater, everyone seemed to play it. But now, the games that I have had a chance to see, they "ARE" these tragedies that are happening, they are realistic, live, murderous rampages on a video screen right in front of the "shooter", acting it out, over and over and over.
Combine this kind of "addiction" in many cases, with say drugs, alcohol or mental illness and picking up a real gun instead of a joystick does'nt seem like a stretch.
I heard a reporter say that a 8 year old child see's an average of 2.6 murder's a day, on TV.
I'm not saying ban video games any more than guns, I'm just saying, this country has some issues. The "reality" mentality and "15 minutes of fame" attitudes along with lack of accountability is really disturbing.

Just sayin', as contributing factors, what are ya gonna blame,,,,,,,,,,,

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This is why parents are supposed to say what the kids can and cant play, they have ratings just like movies. I dont know why people think that if you see it on tv or play it then its a "contributing factor". Ive been playing games since I could damn near hold a controller and ive never been in any kind of bad trouble with guns or anything. Just for the record too, what game did you watch where you go into a school and murder innocent people? There are a few games that you can wander around that i know about that you can murder anyone but they are gta and saints row.

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video games are another thing that always pisses me off when mentioned in context to real world violence.

i'm an avid gamer, i mostly play single player rpg's with a solid story. but on occasion, i'll play online halo with a friend. if anything the games make me less violent in real life. i'm not a particularly social person, in fact most people are just walking bags of idiocy to me. now there are times where i think "hey, that same person has left the door open 5 times, on principle i should go punch them in the back of the head". turns out, i never do. i go home, grind through some story, and go to bed without a single violent thought in my head.

now where does the video game violence come into play here? turns out, smacking an alien with the butt of my video game rifle makes me feel better about idiots. then it just kinda wipes the anger and frustration out. then i'm a polite and courteous person the next day. to me its a coping method with the modern world's populous, being manic-depressive, obsessive compulsive, and a nice dose of anxiety on top of that makes the world a hard place to deal with, and i need that release.

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Thats what I was refering to, its not the games, or guns, or drugs or,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its the way our world is changing into a selfish me me me mentality and when something happens it can't be blamed on something unless its got an agenda attached to it.
Don't try to solve the problem, create chaos out of chaos.its always something not someone.

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You never want to let a crisis go to waste- Rahm Emmanual.

Guns are not the issue.

Recently china had a school massacre, of course our great media might have mentioned it and passed on to more important things such as weather, and no guns were present. The weapon was a knife.

Largest school massacre ever was by explosives by rebels in Russia.

Worse in the us was back in the late 20s with fertilizer bombs.

People seem to be the issue. Those that enable, those that don't care, those that cause the issues and terrible things to happen.

As for people going all pro gun or anti gun, I think everyone should take a weapons safety class such as one for conceal carry. There is more then this guy did this and we should have or not have guns.

That said, stricter gun control will, as has been proved by the European gun bans, cause more crime. Criminals in the us take 2-3+ times longer to scout out a victim in the us then in Europe. Why? Because they do not want to be injured.

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the younger crowd around my age at my new job have a pretty shitty outlook on having an awesome job. to them, placing components, washing boards, or inspection is demeaning and barely worth the pay. its frankly sickening to me, i'm not saying its an ultra cooshy job, i work my ass off in whatever task i'm issued that day, and i show up a half hour early to get the lunch time back.

i've done some really crap jobs in my life. worked as a parts inventory person and company secretary in south texas when i was 13, full on combine mechanic at 17, and since the day i was strong enough to work on the farm machinery and semis for my dad, i did it. sitting behind a soldering iron for 9 bucks an hour is a hell of a lot more pleasant than fixing an air leak at -30. i guess i have done enough to appreciate a solid job that doesn't involve permanent joint damage and broken bones being a very real worry every single second.

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Everytime something happens involving firearm's the gun control nuts want to blame it on the weapons used. Im an avid gamer, i listen to death metal and ive been hunting since i was 8. i own multiple firearm's and have never shot anyone. blaming video games, movies or music instead of blaming the parents who either didnt discipline and teach there kids well, or get them help in the case of mental illness is almost as stupid as blaming firearms for every death. If there going to start banning more and more firearms the problem will most likely get worse instead of better. What happened was a tragedy but the blame should not be placed on firearms, there pretty useless without a person willing to kill others behind them.

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I'm all for owning guns, but the right for any idiot to go out and buy a full auto assault rifle isn't worth it especially when you consider attacks on schools which seems to be the norm. It won't reduce the number of incidence but it may reduce the number of casualties in a masacre. Sure this leaves the illegal weapons for gangs and such, but how many gangs go after the general public? Full boss has its fun factor but so does something that can shoot a dime group at 200+ yards but only holds 5 rounds. Handguns I don't think are an issue. Getting carried away with gun control isn't going to do you guys any good. Limiting availability of excessively destructive weapons may.

More though, has to do with how we raise our kids; mine by the way, are the same age as the ones killed. I have a youth 22 for them to learn on. I'd rather teach them respect and how to use a real one than have them play with fake ones. Out of curiosity, do most states require some sort of firearm safety course prior to purchasing a weapon? As soon as I was old enough my dad put me through hunter safety, I think so he could put more deer in the freezer.

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just some facts
murder rate in japan including all forms of murder .3 per 100,000
murder rate in u.s. including all forms of murder 4.2 per 100,000, so its not that they just use knives
i think its too late now for gun control..but pretty much proven there are less gun deaths where there is gun control, i enjoy guns..not sure what to think anymore..anyway too late now

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Gun control is not the answer. Someone mentioned the China school attack the day before Newtown where an idiot slashed 21 kids and 1 adult. There were 9 attacks with knifes, cleavers or hammers in 2010 and 2011. 25 dead and at least 94 injured.

Crazies are going to kill with what they can get wether it be guns, knives, explosives, cars or and thing else if they are so inclined.

We need personal responsibility and discipline.

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Yep country's that ban guns have major problems with crime, one reason is if those who choose to do wrong are not worried they could get shot and killed than what's stopping them?

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You can't buy full auto weapons without special tax stamps, permission from the local pd and a bucket load of cash or you are a member of law enforcement. This is on top of your local state laws for purchasing a normal firearm. The weapon used was semi-auto.

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This is very true.I know here local to obtain my tax stamp it takes about 6 months,tons of paper work and a signature from the local sheriff.
You can not just run out and legally buy a class 3 firearm.

As many people have said gun control is not the answer.And i see that some people do not see a good reason for people to be able to own large capacity firearms such as AR's.
There are a lot of reasons but my reason is this.
3-Gun Nation
I personally have not checked but I bet the number of people who compete in events such as this ,IDPA,and others that have went out and committed crimes with a firearm would be very low.

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At present time there are roughly 300,000,000 guns in the US. If we use your 12,000 homicides and assume 1 homicide per gun (some guns can have several homicides to their credit) That means .00004% of the 300,000,000 guns commit homicide.

In 2009 there was 33,808 deaths in the US do to automobiles. In 2009 there was an estimated 254,212,610 registered passenger vehicles. Which equates to .00013% of those vehicles killed someone.

So by your logic automobiles should be illegal and confiscated also?

I think you are do for another CAT scan my friend."thumbsup"

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Strict gun control laws didn't help the 3 French kids and their rabbi that got shot in March.

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Highly likely. I'm sure we'll find out more in the coming weeks. Mental health (or the lack thereof) is rarely cut and dry and many symptoms can overlap from one classification to another.

"thumbsup"

I've heard many times that a person is "just depressed, they should gtf over it", but it can be way more complicated than that.

That is the natural reaction to any bad situation. People always are quick to blame the inanimate objects. He could have walked in and did what he did with a bar of soap, and there would be a huge backlash against soap.

Kids playing games today is not a whole lot different than when we played cowboys and indians or army with our buddies. We ran around with toy guns shooting and killing each other.

My son plays all the games he's not supposed to that are full of guns, bad language, and graphic violence. He does so with the understanding that it is all make believe and that it is NOT acceptable to do any of that in real life.

What is more disturbing to me are all the "investigative" shows that do show and go into detail about real life murders, rapes, and suicides.

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america was founded by a rare breed of man... we americans as a whole, dont like to obey laws we disagree with.

look at probition.....only reason the violent criminals thrived....is cuz us american said ( F>>>U ) to the law.

Look at how many people smoke pot, and think they have the ( right ) to even though its illegal in thier state.

This is cuz they feel it should be legal, and are willing to ignore the law, and turn a blind eye to the violent gangs/cartels that profit.

Ban guns, and it will spawn the most violent dacade our nation has ever know. the criminal element of our history will be miniscule in comparison.
The criminals here, cross the bourder will flurish in such an inviroment..

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Yeah...making guns illegal will keep people from having guns....just like making drugs illegal has kept people from having drugs.

Calling AR15's and other semi-auto rifles "assault weapons" is wrong anyway.....Assault rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Think banning guns is the answer....this shooting happened in a gun free zone. (school) CT has the 5th strictest gun control laws in the U.S.
The shooting in Colorado at the movie theater is a good example. The shooter passed up several movie theaters closer to his home in favor of one with a sign out front banning firearms inside removing the possibility of another citizen having a CCW.

The recent shooting at a mall in Oregon was stopped by a private citizen with a CCW. The shooter shot 2 people....the private citizen took cover and drew his weapon....the shooter saw this, retreated to a stairwell and shot himself.
But you won't find this information in the media....they leave it out on purpose.
Google it.....you will find stories about it all over the internet, but not ONE of them on a large news network. They don't want you to hear about the good things that gun owners do. Only the bad.

Think banning guns is the answer? Switzerland has no army....all of their adult males age 20-30 are trained, then issued weapons, and told to keep them at home, and respond to situations accordingly.
Know how many gun homicides there were in Switzerland last year? 54

The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.3

The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.3.

Not to mention that people will find a way to kill no matter what object is available.
Edit: Didn't 20+ kids just get stabbed in a school in China the other day?
Take away guns and people will still find a way. Don't know why there are so many people unwilling, or uneducated enough to accept this.
I could keep going and going

I'll die in a pile of spent brass before I give up my guns.

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I did not know that. Sounds similar to here then.

I could buy a semi auto AR15 but semi-auto's here have to be limited to 5 shot. However, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be too hard to make something like that full boss. Finding a larger clip would take a little bit of work, but is possible. Mind you someone who would do something like that probably wouldn't do it to go on a killing spree either.

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I just read about that several minutes ago. Made me smile.:D

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as a law abiding firearms enthusiast i want to point out, the mall was private property and had a no firearms sign posted. the CHL holder was also in the wrong and illegally carried a firearm where he should not have. one of those things you learn in a CHL class.

the shooter was also said to have discharged up to 30 rounds. he was either a terrible shot or after a specific person.

IMHO, everyone should take a firearms class such as the one needed before submitting for a CHL.

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Depends on state law. In my state that is not illegal. Don't know about CO.

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I posted in another thread on how a person with a carry permit should be able to carry in any city or state. I also fell they should be able to carry anywhere they go.
The guy in the mall with the cc permit may have been in the wrong by carrying into the mall but IMHO should not have been and for several reasons.
A couple that pop into my head real quick.
1st This shooting could have been way worse.
2nd He could have stuck the pistol in the glove box of his truck or the trunk of his car before going into the mall.That is the correct thing to do when you see one of those stupid no handgun signs.
Now the gun is in a car in a mall parking lot. To me I would much rather that person be carrying his pistol on his person than have it in the car where it could be stolen and used by a criminal.I am sure there where more people in that mall who had a CCW permit that had left there pistol in the car. So you have a parking lot full of guns sitting there for the taking and one guy inside carrying who was using his head and was able to stop a bad situation.

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If they want to pass new gun control laws, I'll gladly give my guns back...so long as the military and all law enforcement officers do first...

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[history]In 1776 (guaranteed by the Constitution in 1789) any citizen with the means to purchase one could own the deadliest firearms available at the time. The founders wrote the 2nd Amendment to ensure that the citizens would have firepower equal to that of the Army. This was so they could fight a tyrannical government. Without armed citizens, the American Revolution wouldn't, and couldn't, have happened [/history]

Today we have much better weapons, and our government passes laws and taxes that would have given George III a massive royal boner. The founders intended that the citizens would do something about it. Imagine Occupy Wall Street if all the dirty hippies had AK's, we'd see some change, or a massacre that would inspire the armed masses.

Gun control is going to happen. The Democrats will paint anyone who opposes it as an advocate of child murder, and the NRA will have one hell of a time preventing it.

But hey, it'll be okay. There's a new season of Honey Boo Boo coming up!

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The funny part is, everyone thinks the guns are doing the killing.
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. Simple enough. It doesn't matter if they use a gun, a bomb, a car, an airplane, or a pen. People kill people.

Australia inacted some pretty serious gun control laws back in the mid 90's.
Lawful citizens had a hard time getting a gun or keeping their guns, and personal protection was NOT an acceptable reason to have a gun.
Know who has the guns now? That's right, the criminals.
Mass shootings, like those that have happened recently, did decrease significtantly.
However, most of those authors won't tell you that other crimes did increase in numbers. And we're not talking crimes like shop lifting, we're talking crimes like robbery, rape, and home invasions.

After seeing everything that has happened recently I have two comments/questions....
#1 The American news media is not interested in reporting the facts, they are interested in resporting sensational stories that frighten and change people.
If anyone has the chance look up Christopher Titus' view on the news media. He asks the question, are they really any better than the terrorists?

#2 If one of those teachers, one of the people in that movie theater, or one of those pilots were lawful citizens who carried a weapon, would there be as many dead? Would there be a movie theater that will forever be scarred? Would the towers in New York still be standing?


End of rant...

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Pretty simple answer. If you have first responders in all areas, things happen quickly:
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How many of those "shooting rampages stopped by police" ended with the shooter killing himself? Most of 'em, I bet.

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Not me.

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Say even if you managed to collect every gun ever made by the end of today. What is to stop me or anyone else from making their own guns?

The technology has been invented, there are people out there with the know how to make them....

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I would argue differently...

the type of people, thier morals, and belifes make up alot of the mentality of the country.


say for example you remove all guns from the hands of islamiist....think thier murder rates will go down? or thier suicide rate?

look at buddist, if you place a gun in each of thier hands do you thinkk thier murder rate will go up?



Its not right to compare america to any other nation, cuz we are NOT any other nation.

In THIS country, crime goes down when everyone is assumed to be armed and trained.

IN THIS country, disarming the people makes them even more volnerable to the criminals, and others who have ill intent.

The only think keeping us as free and safe as we currently are......
are our guns.




and shooting likek this are not really new.....hitting kids is.

I remember 2 bad shooting in the 70's from my own recolection.
the austin tower and a fort hood resturant....

I dont remember the people wanting to throw in the towl and give up our own means of protection.....making cops, criminals and ilitary the only ones armed.

These crimes are bieng used.....and tunred into propaganda....to push agendas.

Nothing would makke people of texas more suppoortive of succession than threatening our right to carry.