So, you conservative nutjobs, I have a question for you

[Sarra]

How can you still believe in the GOP when they can't even pass a simple bill? This is stupid, and has been for the last few weeks now.

Get it together, and get to wrecking the country faster, please. At this rate, Obama's oldest daughter will get elected before the GOP can agree on anything.

[BUBBA069]

Thought the point of most (if not all) politicians was to obstruct as much as they can they don't agree with, and live by "all or nothing" mentality.

Bulk move back to center a tad and actually work it out, might actually get some meaningful shit done.

This point if next pres is dem and they have majority they will spend their time undoing everything, making insurance an even bigger mess.

Cycle will continue, it's the new norm. Unless enough meet in the middle to outweigh the extreme left and right.

[mikemcE]

Originally Posted by Sarra

How can you still believe in the GOP when they can't even pass a simple bill? This is stupid, and has been for the last few weeks now.



Get it together, and get to wrecking the country faster, please. At this rate, Obama's oldest daughter will get elected before the GOP can agree on anything.

Send me some of what you're smokin ! I seem to remember Pelosi and Reid telling us to read the bill after it's signed. Those were your fuking liberal obstructionists .....


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[spaceman5280]

Originally Posted by mikemcE

Send me some of what you're smokin ! I seem to remember Pelosi and Reid telling us to read the bill after it's signed. Those were your fuking liberal obstructionists .....


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That's a myth that needs to die, what they actually said was that we would have to wait and see the real world effects of the bill after it was fully implemented.

The PP part and expanded medicaid helped many people and the primary reason for the increased cost was that crappy policies were no longer allowed.

I hate the PPACA and I hate defending it, but we need to be accurate in order to fix the problem.

The main difference between the process of passing the PPACA and the AHCA is transparency and bi-partisanship.

The only bright spot I can see from this whole debacle is that we may see singe payer sooner.

[mikemcE]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...e-reform-bill/


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[spaceman5280]

Originally Posted by mikemcE

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...e-reform-bill/


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Lol, you should probably read the link before posting, it says nothing about your claim....

Nice try...

[mikemcE]

Read the whole article, 3 days needed for 1000 pages ??
Nice thought, but who read it before voting ?



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[spaceman5280]

Originally Posted by mikemcE

Read the whole article, 3 days needed for 1000 pages ??
Nice thought, but who read it before voting ?



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Your claim was that Pelosi and Reid said to read the bill after, there are no quotes to that effect in the posted article it's just republicans whining about having to do their jobs

[spaceman5280]

Anyway, there is a simple change that will solve the entire issue, lower the Medicare eligibility age to zero.

[spaceman5280]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...-pass-the-bill

[mikemcE]

Originally Posted by spaceman5280

Anyway, there is a simple change that will solve the entire issue, lower the Medicare eligibility age to zero.

Much easier way, ELIMINATE health insurance companies.
Think about that, eliminate the middleman who do nothing except rape your wallet. My Orthopedic has to have any procedure pre approved .... So the insurance company knows more than my Dr. ?


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[Greatscott]

Originally Posted by mikemcE

Much easier way, ELIMINATE health insurance companies.
Think about that, eliminate the middleman who do nothing except rape your wallet. My Orthopedic has to have any procedure pre approved .... So the insurance company knows more than my Dr. ?


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Neither the ACA or the RNC's new plan will work, they are trying to pay for a medical system that costs 100 times more than it should. Simply, if the honest cost of an aspirin is 25 cents, and it cost another 10 cents to administer it in a hospital, the patient's insurance should be charged 35 cents. But, the insurance company will only pay 3 cents, so the hospital will bill $5 for that aspirin to get their 35 cents.

With that, the DNC and RNC are collectively about as useful as tits on a bore hog, and are, in fact, just opposite sides of the same dirty coin.

[spaceman5280]

Originally Posted by mikemcE

Much easier way, ELIMINATE health insurance companies.
Think about that, eliminate the middleman who do nothing except rape your wallet. My Orthopedic has to have any procedure pre approved .... So the insurance company knows more than my Dr. ?


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You are correct, single payer (Medicare for all) will eliminate for-profit basic Heath insurance. And if individuals want to buy a supplementary plan from a for-profit, they should be free to do so without subsidy or tax credits.

[CREEPERBOB]

Oh yeah, because the VA is run so well.

[MattySlimz1987]

I hope your not referring to ALL of us here as conservative nutjobs because some of the previous comments above are FAR from that. Its coming down to 8 white Republican senators in the Rayburn building. One of those guys I think from Nevada is totally against the bill. It's hard to fathom that it only comes down to those handful of people.
Lol @mikemcE "send me some of what your smokin"

[spaceman5280]

Originally Posted by CREEPERBOB

Oh yeah, because the VA is run so well.

You are correct, the VA is terribly underfunded and I can't believe how the republicans treat our heroes...

[Greatscott]

Originally Posted by spaceman5280

You are correct, the VA is terribly underfunded and I can't believe how the republicans treat our heroes...

...and here is the problem, "Its their fault, not mine/ours", common, this kind of nonsense is why our country is in this mess to begin with. The very first step in fixing ourselves is to abolish the RNC and DNC completely.

Fixing the VA is actually quite simple, if anyone would commit to it:
1. Fund at the level it needs to be funded.
2. Modernize the computer systems so that they are on par with the private sector. The VA is still on a mainframe system from the 80s.
- Once these two things have been done, let the system actually run for a period of time to figure out what works and what needs to be overhauled.

[mikemcE]

But that approach involves common sense.


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[spaceman5280]

Originally Posted by Greatscott

...and here is the problem, "Its their fault, not mine/ours", common, this kind of nonsense is why our country is in this mess to begin with. The very first step in fixing ourselves is to abolish the RNC and DNC completely.

Fixing the VA is actually quite simple, if anyone would commit to it:
1. Fund at the level it needs to be funded.
2. Modernize the computer systems so that they are on par with the private sector. The VA is still on a mainframe system from the 80s.
- Once these two things have been done, let the system actually run for a period of time to figure out what works and what needs to be overhauled.

Since the Republican Party is in control of the budget so they need to take some responsibility.

P.S. I agree with your description and prescription.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by Greatscott

...and here is the problem, "Its their fault, not mine/ours", common, this kind of nonsense is why our country is in this mess to begin with. The very first step in fixing ourselves is to abolish the RNC and DNC completely.

Won't fix anything. A turd by any other name is still a turd.