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AdamF · 05-11-2005, 01:45 PM

This is what I would like to see. Some RC rock racing.

Have you guys seen the 1:1 rock racing? Oh my god, it's great. That is EXACTLY the way I like to do it.

That's sort of my style in RC crawling. I prefer to lay on the gas and see where it takes me. Don't get me wrong, crawling is fun and all, but rock racing really gets me going.

What do you guys think?

Read up on rock racing here

http://xrra.com/english/index.html

And view this video I captured from Superlift TV

http://www.rcpics.net/view_single.php?medid=56496

I think the first paragraph sums it up pretty well

" Rock racing is the way of the future. At a time when many organizers are busy watching cones, the XRRA has gotten back to the roots of off-roading. The average enthusiast can now compete on a more level playing field. Moon buggies and Expensive rigs are thrown in the mix with the garage built four wheel drive! In Rock Racing there are no cones. There are no judgment calls. Just strait forward time trial events. The action is fast paced and the atmosphere is all sportsman! Though it is a race against time, the challenge is to finish! There are two types of winners in Rock Racing, those on the podium and those who have fun while trying to reach it. At the end of the day seconds mark the difference between glory and fate. It amounts to the difference between the shift of the clutch or the finesse of the throttle. A driver's ability to make a split second decision determines the outcome."

Herzog-racing · 05-11-2005, 01:56 PM

It would not be real racing going the speed we go with a gd600. It would be fun to do if our trucks went a little faster

AdamF · 05-11-2005, 02:00 PM

You would set up a RC rock racing rig differently than a rock crawling rig.

You wouldnt need gear reductions. You would want higher RPM's and high torque motors with low to medium gearing.

I'm going to try and find some video of some 1:1 rock racing and then maybe you would understand. It's not "racing" in a sense to where your going 100 miles an hour, it's just faster than regular rock crawling. No slowing down to pick your lines, avoiding cones and what not, just pedal to the metal haulin ass!

TwistedCreations · 05-11-2005, 02:15 PM

u must like fixin crap all the time :? i will stick to going slow and taking my time

DirkDigler · 05-11-2005, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamF

You would set up a RC rock racing rig differently than a rock crawling rig.

You wouldnt need gear reductions. You would want higher RPM's and high torque motors with low to medium gearing.

I'm going to try and find some video of some 1:1 rock racing and then maybe you would understand. It's not "racing" in a sense to where your going 100 miles an hour, it's just faster than regular rock crawling. No slowing down to pick your lines, avoiding cones and what not, just pedal to the metal haulin ass!

When I first started "crawling" with rc, I only did it "rock racing" style. The biggest reason was because I was using a nitro x factor. I was having people over at my place on my courses and they would bring their electric clods and txt's. I would litterally hit the rocks at 10mph with my xfactor and breeze right through the course, while they have difficulties getting through. Unfortunately, my driving style is still dictated by too much throttle and usually screws up my scores. I'm not sure that the rock racing will be the "way of the future" but at every crawling event, you undoubtedly see as much fast paced rock racing as you see slow moving crawling.

JohnRobHolmes · 05-11-2005, 02:20 PM

i find that a lot of throttle can take the fun out of a section sometimes. sure, some speed can bump you up that rock thats been giving you hell all day, but i like eeaaaasing up a rock so slow you can hear each lug pop on the rock.

i hate fixing my rig

AdamF · 05-11-2005, 02:22 PM

But a rock racing course is set up much differently than a rock crawling course.

Vitamin_J · 05-11-2005, 03:05 PM

sounds like lots of shit would break too.......i'm in

AdamF · 05-11-2005, 03:09 PM

Here's a short video preview of some rock racing

http://bfefilms.net/clips/rockrace.wmv

They had a pretty good peice of the xrra on Superlift TV the other day. I think its supposed to re-air tomorrow sometime on ODC. You should check it out. maybe I'll record it and put it online.

jonnycat01 · 05-11-2005, 03:12 PM

I agree with the going slower. I like the challenge of finding that perfect line and watching to see if your choices will land you on top, or watch as your rig crashes. However, racing is always fun too. I just don't like the down time while I have to fix something.

Vitamin_J · 05-11-2005, 03:16 PM

that was 100x more badass than i though it would be!

maybe the nitro X-Factor would have a place at one of our comps if we did this?

AdamF · 05-11-2005, 03:17 PM

I think Nitro could compete in a rock racing course.

I'm going to make some sort of course at my parents house. I'm going to incorporate a creek crossing and maybe a mud/dirt/sand pit as well as some uphill climbs. And throw in some large boulders along the way to try and slow you down!

lukedog · 05-11-2005, 03:38 PM

Adamf I dont think the guys on this site get it

. With rock racing you would have a different gearing setup and more of a trail/rock combo so it is nothing like rock crawling and you would most likely brake less stuff cuz you dont have crazy low gearing like crawling and you would not have it crazy fast like racing, Just somewhere in the middle.. :smile:

Herzog-racing · 05-11-2005, 05:31 PM

you said no gear reduction. well at one of our get togethers here we set up a cours just like that so it was not really rock crawlng It was steep hills and a few bumps and a little flexing here and there and I was not using reductions and my txt sucked at almost every thing because I could not really make it up the bigger hills. now that I have reductions I could make it up the hill.

JohnRobHolmes · 05-11-2005, 07:41 PM

i got it now. its more of an obstacle course that has very steep grades and sections. looks like a blast! but lots of breaking. now THAT is where a brushless would excell! anybody want to go against my 1500W motor?

AdamF · 05-11-2005, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herzog-racing

you said no gear reduction. well at one of our get togethers here we set up a cours just like that so it was not really rock crawlng It was steep hills and a few bumps and a little flexing here and there and I was not using reductions and my txt sucked at almost every thing because I could not really make it up the bigger hills. now that I have reductions I could make it up the hill.

I don't know what to tell you. I'm not familliar with the gearing in anything but a clod, but I don't see why you could not make it up a steep hill without a reduction. Seems you had the wrong motors or wrong tranny gearing. You probably had a lathe motor. You should try something with more RPM like a mag mayhem.

JohnRobHolmes · 05-11-2005, 08:28 PM

without reduction a stock txt has hardly any low speed torque. you cant even wedge the tires because they are geared so tall.

Herzog-racing · 05-11-2005, 08:49 PM

I knew it wasn't just my truck

Mad Scientist · 05-11-2005, 08:58 PM

While Rock Racing can be cool to watch and participate in real life, I have a feeling that if it were to catch on in the RC community, it would somehow undermine all the work that has been put into making true competition level crawling a legitimate branch of the RC hobby. I see it as a regression back to the days when crawling was a full throttle, headlong rush at a pile of rocks.

Yet, I am always interested in seeing a new niche of RC develop, and I feel there may be a chance for Rock Racing. Here is what I propose - make RC Rock Racing a "Nitro-Only" event. This will differentiate true Crawlers from the Racers. Instead of taking a Crawl-Ready rig and gearing it up, this will encourage further development of Nitro vehicles and may lead to some ground-breaking engineering. Just look at what Crawling has done for electric. And plus, if you are gonna bomb up a hill at full throttle, wouldn't it just be plain cool to do it with Nitro?

RCMFMaxxMan · 05-11-2005, 09:22 PM

I think it would be sweet to see a circuit style course (like regular off road tracks) but instead of jumps they could have rocks and maybe some steep dirt piles (mini hill climbs incorporated). IFS trucks may have an advantage on this kind of off roading though. These courses are more of a noobie set up because it would be easier to get through than crawler courses and also it wouldn't require as many mods to your truck to be competitive. A stock txt with a better motor would probably work well w/o having to customize everything. Although, the quicker pace would be fun and the ease of the course wouldn't be as technical making it more relaxed.

05-11-2005, 01:45 PM	#1
AdamF RCC Addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 1,673	RC Rock Racing This is what I would like to see. Some RC rock racing. Have you guys seen the 1:1 rock racing? Oh my god, it's great. That is EXACTLY the way I like to do it. That's sort of my style in RC crawling. I prefer to lay on the gas and see where it takes me. Don't get me wrong, crawling is fun and all, but rock racing really gets me going. What do you guys think? Read up on rock racing here http://xrra.com/english/index.html And view this video I captured from Superlift TV http://www.rcpics.net/view_single.php?medid=56496 I think the first paragraph sums it up pretty well " Rock racing is the way of the future. At a time when many organizers are busy watching cones, the XRRA has gotten back to the roots of off-roading. The average enthusiast can now compete on a more level playing field. Moon buggies and Expensive rigs are thrown in the mix with the garage built four wheel drive! In Rock Racing there are no cones. There are no judgment calls. Just strait forward time trial events. The action is fast paced and the atmosphere is all sportsman! Though it is a race against time, the challenge is to finish! There are two types of winners in Rock Racing, those on the podium and those who have fun while trying to reach it. At the end of the day seconds mark the difference between glory and fate. It amounts to the difference between the shift of the clutch or the finesse of the throttle. A driver's ability to make a split second decision determines the outcome." Last edited by AdamF; 05-12-2005 at 03:02 PM.

05-11-2005, 02:00 PM	#3
AdamF RCC Addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 1,673	You would set up a RC rock racing rig differently than a rock crawling rig. You wouldnt need gear reductions. You would want higher RPM's and high torque motors with low to medium gearing. I'm going to try and find some video of some 1:1 rock racing and then maybe you would understand. It's not "racing" in a sense to where your going 100 miles an hour, it's just faster than regular rock crawling. No slowing down to pick your lines, avoiding cones and what not, just pedal to the metal haulin ass! Last edited by AdamF; 05-11-2005 at 02:02 PM.

05-11-2005, 03:38 PM	#13
lukedog Rock Stacker Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Los Banos Posts: 50	Adamf I dont think the guys on this site get it. With rock racing you would have a different gearing setup and more of a trail/rock combo so it is nothing like rock crawling and you would most likely brake less stuff cuz you dont have crazy low gearing like crawling and you would not have it crazy fast like racing, Just somewhere in the middle.. :smile:

05-11-2005, 01:56 PM	#2
Herzog-racing Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: burton Posts: 148	It would not be real racing going the speed we go with a gd600. It would be fun to do if our trucks went a little faster

05-11-2005, 02:15 PM	#4
TwistedCreations Colt Python/SR9c Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: out in the shop, reloading ammo! Posts: 8,626	u must like fixin crap all the time :? i will stick to going slow and taking my time

05-11-2005, 02:20 PM	#6
JohnRobHolmes owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down! Posts: 20,290	i find that a lot of throttle can take the fun out of a section sometimes. sure, some speed can bump you up that rock thats been giving you hell all day, but i like eeaaaasing up a rock so slow you can hear each lug pop on the rock. i hate fixing my rig

05-11-2005, 02:22 PM	#7
AdamF RCC Addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 1,673	But a rock racing course is set up much differently than a rock crawling course.

05-11-2005, 03:05 PM	#8
Vitamin_J Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 388	sounds like lots of shit would break too.......i'm in

05-11-2005, 03:09 PM	#9
AdamF RCC Addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 1,673	Here's a short video preview of some rock racing http://bfefilms.net/clips/rockrace.wmv They had a pretty good peice of the xrra on Superlift TV the other day. I think its supposed to re-air tomorrow sometime on ODC. You should check it out. maybe I'll record it and put it online.

05-11-2005, 03:12 PM	#10
jonnycat01 Newbie Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bloomington Posts: 4	I agree with the going slower. I like the challenge of finding that perfect line and watching to see if your choices will land you on top, or watch as your rig crashes. However, racing is always fun too. I just don't like the down time while I have to fix something.

05-11-2005, 03:16 PM	#11
Vitamin_J Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 388	that was 100x more badass than i though it would be! maybe the nitro X-Factor would have a place at one of our comps if we did this?

05-11-2005, 03:17 PM	#12
AdamF RCC Addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 1,673	I think Nitro could compete in a rock racing course. I'm going to make some sort of course at my parents house. I'm going to incorporate a creek crossing and maybe a mud/dirt/sand pit as well as some uphill climbs. And throw in some large boulders along the way to try and slow you down!

05-11-2005, 05:31 PM	#14
Herzog-racing Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: burton Posts: 148	you said no gear reduction. well at one of our get togethers here we set up a cours just like that so it was not really rock crawlng It was steep hills and a few bumps and a little flexing here and there and I was not using reductions and my txt sucked at almost every thing because I could not really make it up the bigger hills. now that I have reductions I could make it up the hill.

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05-11-2005, 07:41 PM	#15
JohnRobHolmes owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down! Posts: 20,290	i got it now. its more of an obstacle course that has very steep grades and sections. looks like a blast! but lots of breaking. now THAT is where a brushless would excell! anybody want to go against my 1500W motor?

05-11-2005, 08:28 PM	#17
JohnRobHolmes owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down! Posts: 20,290	without reduction a stock txt has hardly any low speed torque. you cant even wedge the tires because they are geared so tall.

05-11-2005, 08:49 PM	#18
Herzog-racing Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: burton Posts: 148	I knew it wasn't just my truck

05-11-2005, 08:58 PM	#19
Mad Scientist RCC Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Saginaw Posts: 1,721	While Rock Racing can be cool to watch and participate in real life, I have a feeling that if it were to catch on in the RC community, it would somehow undermine all the work that has been put into making true competition level crawling a legitimate branch of the RC hobby. I see it as a regression back to the days when crawling was a full throttle, headlong rush at a pile of rocks. Yet, I am always interested in seeing a new niche of RC develop, and I feel there may be a chance for Rock Racing. Here is what I propose - make RC Rock Racing a "Nitro-Only" event. This will differentiate true Crawlers from the Racers. Instead of taking a Crawl-Ready rig and gearing it up, this will encourage further development of Nitro vehicles and may lead to some ground-breaking engineering. Just look at what Crawling has done for electric. And plus, if you are gonna bomb up a hill at full throttle, wouldn't it just be plain cool to do it with Nitro?

05-11-2005, 09:22 PM	#20
RCMFMaxxMan RCC Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: ORegon Posts: 1,002	I think it would be sweet to see a circuit style course (like regular off road tracks) but instead of jumps they could have rocks and maybe some steep dirt piles (mini hill climbs incorporated). IFS trucks may have an advantage on this kind of off roading though. These courses are more of a noobie set up because it would be easier to get through than crawler courses and also it wouldn't require as many mods to your truck to be competitive. A stock txt with a better motor would probably work well w/o having to customize everything. Although, the quicker pace would be fun and the ease of the course wouldn't be as technical making it more relaxed.

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