I'm confused. E10 vs TRX4?

[CRAWLER75]

Now, I have a modified TRX4. Proline body, short metal bumpers, brass knuckles, lowered custom metal body pans, heavy alloy rims, rock beasts and lowered electronics and battery to pan. Every time I upgraded something, I went to the park behind my work and tested out so I know what this thing can do and can't do on these rocks in the park. I've been pretty satisfied with improvement so far and was pretty sure my TRX could keep up with other decent rigs. So yesterday, out of curiosity, I brought my old Redcat Everest 10 to the park for the first time just to see how fantastic job I did to my TRX 4. My E10 was my first crawler and it only had minor upgrade like 3oz in the front wheels and star foam cut. After hitting the familiar rocks, to my surprise , I found that E10 outcrawled TRX4 by large margin. E10 was pretty much unstoppable. Pick a line and go. while with TRX4, I have to be really careful choosing lines or it will get stuck or flip. Sure. E10 has huuuuuge turning radius, terrible torque twist and not so sticky stock tires. Definitely not so graceful over the rocks like TRX. But it float over rocks much better. What am I missing here? Is E10 supposed to be more capable than TRX?

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[Meatwad]

Scalers and comp crawlers are different.

[ubernewb]

crazy talk.. next thing you're gonna tell me is that this..



would be better offroad than this..

[ubernewb]

why do people keep thinking they're the same thing?

[clm]

In real life the Traxxas would be the tow car towing the Redcat to an offroad competition and carrying all the gear. Yes it will do some crawling and due to hobby technology will do much more then a full size one will scale wise, the scale aspect hinders it compared to a vehicle that has only passing scale aspects that primarily focuses on the crawling.

Scrap the body, the bumpers, the rock skids, just about everything but axles and then bolt on bigger tires, more compact lighter trans, and longer suspension and you could concievable get the trx platform to crawl as well as a dedicated crawler... it wouldn't be a scale Landrover trail truck then however.

[clm]

The fun part I think is taking this somewhat top heavy vehicle with limited approach angles and pushing the limits of what I can make it do. It takes more care to do things that red blooded long legged floppy crawler that rarely looks too scale can do. And really... who is going to glue a small pile of sticks to the top of a heavily specialized rock crawler? I need a top heavy trail truck to glue all my Man Doll Accessories too!

[CRAWLER75]

Originally Posted by ubernewb

crazy talk.. next thing you're gonna tell me is that this..



would be better offroad than this..

I get it. Thanks. When I look at the chassis of 2 trucks though, TRX seems to be a lot more refined and engineered. For example, clearance on TRX is far superior than E10. Everything is tucked up nicely and there is at least an extra inch of clearance underneath as far as the lowest points(diffs) go. Frame and chassis is also much lower on the TRX and it gives an impression of lower COG.
It appeared that TRX would do better. I was sorta disappointed that those appearances didn't translated into real world performance. Maybe I was looking at the wrong things.


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[Peaker]

I always said my scaler ( the Honcho with upgrades ) could drive the same places my LCC could, and to be honest aside for the difference in wheel size it was pretty much true.

But perhaps i better mention that here in Denmark we dont really have any place that can challenge a crawler, that's why i switched to scalers you have a higher chance with one of those finding spots that can challenge a scaler outright, or will do so with a little creative gate placement.

I too get a bit upset when people call a scaler a crawler, it happen a lot over here on local RC fora, so much so i just had to quit those after a few years.

[CRAWLER75]

Originally Posted by clm

In real life the Traxxas would be the tow car towing the Redcat to an offroad competition and carrying all the gear. Yes it will do some crawling and due to hobby technology will do much more then a full size one will scale wise, the scale aspect hinders it compared to a vehicle that has only passing scale aspects that primarily focuses on the crawling.

Scrap the body, the bumpers, the rock skids, just about everything but axles and then bolt on bigger tires, more compact lighter trans, and longer suspension and you could concievable get the trx platform to crawl as well as a dedicated crawler... it wouldn't be a scale Landrover trail truck then however.

Thanks for taking time and responding to my silly experiment. I knew they were different classes, but my hopes and dreams on TRX were so high, that I though it could crawl better than some dedicated crawlers. I was confused then. now I'm sad.

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[clm]

Originally Posted by CRAWLER75

Thanks for taking time and responding to my silly experiment. I knew they were different classes, but my hopes and dreams on TRX were so high, that I though it could crawl better than some dedicated crawlers. I was confused then. now I'm sad.

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No need to be sad! Build a trailer so the TRX can tow the E10, glue some random bits of 1/10 scale nic-nacks to the TRX, Then go have a 1/10 scale trip to drive the crawler in a place that takes some skill to get to towing it with the TRX ;)

[Mountainsofbeer]

Yea I wouldn't use E10 in a TRX-4 it will rot out your gas lines.

[AggressorBLUE]

Originally Posted by Mountainsofbeer

Yea I wouldn't use E10 in a TRX-4 it will rot out your gas lines.

It's a land rover, that's going to happen anyway.

[Gimpy00Wang]

Originally Posted by aggressorblue

it's a land rover, that's going to happen anyway.

lol

[Mountainsofbeer]

I'm always surprised at the things my TRX4 has climbed I dunno. I don't have many mods but ive got good 4.75" tires and weight in the right spots. this isn't a nice light crawler that's for sure but I like the way in moves like this, almost like its a scale truck and that's the whole point, and it moves rocks around and snaps trigs and pushes over ferns because it has some weight and I like that too.

i also changed my front bumper to a low profile metal one and flipped the bumper mount so it's higher so i have protection and more clearance on approach.

It can more or less go anywhere in the woods that I can on or off trail, but it takes some thinking to get it through technical spots that maybe an open wheeled crawler would roll through.

I have the benefit that my other RCs are not crawlers so I have nothing to compare it against haha

[clm]

Exactly, it is fun to see what you can make it do!

[AggressorBLUE]

Originally Posted by Mountainsofbeer

I'm always surprised at the things my TRX4 has climbed I dunno. I don't have many mods but ive got good 4.75" tires and weight in the right spots. this isn't a nice light crawler that's for sure but I like the way in moves like this, almost like its a scale truck and that's the whole point, and it moves rocks around and snaps trigs and pushes over ferns because it has some weight and I like that too.

i also changed my front bumper to a low profile metal one and flipped the bumper mount so it's higher so i have protection and more clearance on approach.

It can more or less go anywhere in the woods that I can on or off trail, but it takes some thinking to get it through technical spots that maybe an open wheeled crawler would roll through.

I have the benefit that my other RCs are not crawlers so I have nothing to compare it against haha

4.75" tires... I'd say you're no longer "scale"...

[clm]

I have seen larger then 47.5 inch on severely lifted trucks full sized... 43ish if you fudge for 1/9 scale like most crawlers are. at true 1/10 scale 19 inch rims are not really normal for full scale off roaders either ;)

[CRAWLER75]

Originally Posted by Mountainsofbeer

I'm always surprised at the things my TRX4 has climbed I dunno. I don't have many mods but ive got good 4.75" tires and weight in the right spots. this isn't a nice light crawler that's for sure but I like the way in moves like this, almost like its a scale truck and that's the whole point, and it moves rocks around and snaps trigs and pushes over ferns because it has some weight and I like that too.

i also changed my front bumper to a low profile metal one and flipped the bumper mount so it's higher so i have protection and more clearance on approach.

It can more or less go anywhere in the woods that I can on or off trail, but it takes some thinking to get it through technical spots that maybe an open wheeled crawler would roll through.

I have the benefit that my other RCs are not crawlers so I have nothing to compare it against haha

Don't get me wrong.. I love how my TRX drives and performs on technical rocks. Watching suspension at work is just... mesmerizing

I've had set of proline hyrax installed but they looked too big for the body(hilux). Then I replaced them with rock beast none xl. Now both them are just as sticky but I get less clearance with pitbulls obviously. Pitbulls look better imo but when they wear out, I won't hesitate to put hyrax back on


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[binaryterror]

Originally Posted by AggressorBLUE

4.75" tires... I'd say you're no longer "scale"...

Based on a 110" real wheelbase and 12.8" Traxxas, this makes the scale 1/8.59 scale.

That places the 4.75" tire mentioned at 40.8" and the 1.9" wheel at 16.3".

Maybe it's uncommon to see a Land Rover on 40's, but what is being scale suggested is completely plausible. I mean I wheel with a daily driver JKU on 40's often.

[Mountainsofbeer]

If the wheel arches were not so big 4.10" tires would even work on the TRX-4 body.

The reason why I'm OK with 4.75s like the Hyrax is because the wheel arches make it all work (visually and functionally).

here is a d90 with 37" tires, close enough. I just looked really quickly. This totally looks like something we would build, trailer and all.