No, I have spent more than 10000 over the years and dont want to think about it. Its a horrible horrible investment.
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No, I have spent more than 10000 over the years and dont want to think about it. Its a horrible horrible investment.
thehopping1
Quarry Creeper
:shock: Wow, lol, you are just being asked to search and read before you post in crawler specific threads. Once you have seen the same question asked twenty plus times in a month, it gets annoying. I'm trying to learn by learn something new and have to sift threw the crap and it is getting thicker. Just use the tools at your disposal (search button)."thumbsup"
thehopping1
Quarry Creeper
What? This hobby helps keep me sane. And if you expected a return from investing in rc cars, you where mistaken. They help pass the time and allow me to be able to build stuff without spending the kind of cash it takes for a 1:1.
MadForce
RCC Addict
First of all thanks for the compliment
I am one those guys. That is why I got 2 degrees in business management and speak five languages, I am just not good with math and autocad.Second I respect all of you guys that have propelled the hobby during the past few years. If it wasn't for the most of you I would still think that my old 4 linked twin force is the uber crawler machine. Actually the ONLY reason there are new people interested in this niche is YOU people that machined and mixed parts and then played around with your trucks. Other people saw that and joined..... the rest is history.
Third you should respect me too, ALL of you, except the ones I have given reason not to. None of the good people in here have the slightest idea of how many years I am in RCs', what I do in my life, my personality tara tara tara. So unless I give a person a reason not to respect me, then he ought to. If he was brought up with any sense of values at all.
The topic is that people whine and moan when stuff burn and break. Well here is how I see it from a mangerial pont of view. Axial, losi, kyosho etc., produce budget entry level hobby grade trucks with the intent of introducing the hobby to a larger target group. Yeah all you highly respected gents think RTRs are mainly crap and would not buy it but my 10yo cousin would. Now if my cousin was 10 in 2004 then by now he would have been of age (15 my math can go that far) to research for better parts to improve his truck. On the other side if he had access to althe at that same age (15), most probably we would hit the 9 o'clock news.
That is where you fabricators come in. If it wasn't for people like me or my 10yo cousin, the vendors sections would be obsolete because no one would buy and everybody would fabricate. Thus you Mr. Kamikaze (no offense here) would out of business. I do not have a lathe, mill, tig, laser CNC or whatever and frankly I do not see the need to spend countless hours on trying to understand their operation. It is just not my thing and that is why I buy from you and so are many others.
Axial and Losi have done a great effort introducing the crawling niche to wider target group. If it wasn;t for the AX10 kit I would not have been in this forum. BUT, this however does not entitle them to release products that do not deserve their title. Nobody has the right to complain about the inexistent drag brake of the RTC or that the RX has no adjustability. Everybody though has the right and obligation to complain about the radio system glitching like mad straight from the box or if 8 out 10 customers break a cvd in their first run with their 280$ newly bought rig. This is just unacceptable. It is not a matter of replacing the bad part, this should not happen at all.
Imagine your son grabing an rtr and playing in front of your house, then the radio glitches badly he looses control and before you know it he and his truck are just a splotch because of that sob driver that happened to be driving in front of your house. Or just imagine you came back home driving you new city budget car and the tank exploded. It would surely not be your fault to sue the hell out the maker right?
Bottom line is rtrs' must operate correctly while they cannot make you a champ. When I buy something I demand that it operates the way it should and nothing more. How I express my complains if it doesn't is my business alone and you are more than welcome to not read my complains. If you 200 or 500 initial member of RCC and crawling scene don't like new people with silly questions then why did you permit this forum to grow to 30K+ members???
P.S. I recently saw this new site, rcsc.com, that is mainly about a portion of trucks that are rtr:shock:
thehopping1
Quarry Creeper
Production crawlers are a fairly new thing, and the Losi is brand new to crawling. You should expect some bugs in the beginning. At least Rich is doing his best to get the situation rectified. Nothing is perfect day one out of the box.
Well Said Kamikaze
We just had this conversation at the last comp.
The difference between the Newbies and the OG's is that when the OG's see a "new" truck...first thing they do is dig into it and figure out how they can make it better. Newbee's want it to be a Competitive rig out of the box. It's that McDonalds, instant gratification mentality.
I liked it back when you had to buy a full truck kit just to get axles and then go from there...You learn a lot more about your rig and the hobby...
We just had this conversation at the last comp.
The difference between the Newbies and the OG's is that when the OG's see a "new" truck...first thing they do is dig into it and figure out how they can make it better. Newbee's want it to be a Competitive rig out of the box. It's that McDonalds, instant gratification mentality.
I liked it back when you had to buy a full truck kit just to get axles and then go from there...You learn a lot more about your rig and the hobby...
MadForce
RCC Addict
I agree with you to the point that Rich is uber helpful from what I read and that all new stuff have bugs. My point is that bugs such as bad geometry or poor performance in certain sectors can and should be anticipated since tastes differ. The cvd issue though is obviously a result of very poor product testing. Again I tell you if you buy a car and consumes more gas than advertised you cannot say anything (matter of driving style), if the engine dies on your first ride home then shouldn't you be pissed and whiny about it?
Edit... Excuse my ignorance but is OCD OG and the rest?
Kamikaze
I wanna be Dave
I did not start this post because I don't want new people in this hobby, read the first paragraph of my first post. I welcome anyone with open arms. This isn't about new people who need some help or don't understand a simple question. We have all been there. Its about those few that are simply intolerant to any problem that may arise and lash out irrationally at the manufacturer. That is all. I would appreciate it if this discussion stayed on topic with my original post. I don't want anyone to leave or go away, I just want everyone to take a second to appreciate how good we have it.
Unfortanetly that is the current state and future of our society. To many people cry their feelings get hurt and want everything now. Then instead of being self efficient and learning why things went wrong they just cry more and the world adapts to them.
RTR's created a whole new crowd of people in any class of RC's. As good or bad as that may have been sometimes you just have to wait it out and hope the ones with no clue either learn or fade quick.
Heres 2 examples that stick with me.
I read a post some time back from a member who just bought a Axial RTR and complained because he had to take the front axle apart to put a locker in. He felt that he shouldnt have had to do that to a RTR and was upset because Axial didnt put that in the kit.
Another was someone bought some lower lnks for his rig, the links were to long so he had to use different uppers and then his rig was illegal.
Both cases of people jumping on the wagon and because of their own arrogance were not happy with their product. Whos fault was it .... according to them the manufacturer.
I like seeing new people at comps, heck Im still a noob and Ive been into RCs for over 20+ years. People need to slow down and realize the time put into each persons rig and that there is no 1 perfect rig out there.
So many good points in here.
MadForce
RCC Addict
If my posts sound like I am accusing you in person then I sincerely apologize to you. I did not reply to your post rather I replied to your thread and how it has grown through the posts of other users as well. I think I already explained that it looks like mindless and self destructive behaviour, especially for the vendors, to flame and marginalise new members. The way this thread started it was just fuel for those who think that they are the center of the earth because they put together a TLT based rig some 5 years ago. I first of all admitted that if it wasn't for axial I would not be here and I thank them for making it easier for me. This though does not in any way mean that I would bite everything they sell even if it is a product of poor planning.
As far as whining and bashing goes, neither you or me nor anybody else can control personalities and behaviours. I have just learned to live with people who just don't know how to say it right and make it sound right. I just thought that most of the earlier guys in here, especially vendors, would have grown indifferent to people who just can't word a complain properly.
As far as whining and bashing goes, neither you or me nor anybody else can control personalities and behaviours. I have just learned to live with people who just don't know how to say it right and make it sound right. I just thought that most of the earlier guys in here, especially vendors, would have grown indifferent to people who just can't word a complain properly.
C*H*U*D
No idea what I'm doing
Wow again :shock:. I respect all the vendors here that take time to explain things. I bought my batteries and charger from Chris for one simple reason.....he took the time to put together information in a clear, easy to understand post, and when I searched for that information, I found his thread. Thanks again Chris for helping me out (even if you didn't know it
)If I bought and broke a Kamikaze Kustoms chassis, I would tell Kamikaze about it because I'm sure he would want to know how and why.....the tinkerer in me would probably want to fix it myself though, but I'm just that way.
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mascman
Rock Crawler
I'm no stranger to this hobby either and started with the TLTs like the other OGs, but...
When you sell a competition crawler, shouldn't it be ready for competition? I think people are upset that it is touted as a comp crawler and they have a different impression of what that means because they have not had to build their own like most of us did.
I pour money into everything I own, so I know it won't remain stock, and that's not a problem for me. My Harley is a 2006 and I have redone it at least 3 times already, with each time getting more and more expensive. The bike needed nothing...but I wanted it my way. Some guys buy them and do nothing but put gas in them...and that's all they want to do. Get on and ride.
To just expect that people want to work and tweak on a product is not right and you can't blame them for getting upset.
I bought my daughter a $370 cell phone. Do you think I'd be pissed if it didn't make phone calls untill I tore it apart and fixed something on it?
I can see both sides of the fence on this one.
When you sell a competition crawler, shouldn't it be ready for competition? I think people are upset that it is touted as a comp crawler and they have a different impression of what that means because they have not had to build their own like most of us did.
I pour money into everything I own, so I know it won't remain stock, and that's not a problem for me. My Harley is a 2006 and I have redone it at least 3 times already, with each time getting more and more expensive. The bike needed nothing...but I wanted it my way. Some guys buy them and do nothing but put gas in them...and that's all they want to do. Get on and ride.
To just expect that people want to work and tweak on a product is not right and you can't blame them for getting upset.
I bought my daughter a $370 cell phone. Do you think I'd be pissed if it didn't make phone calls untill I tore it apart and fixed something on it?
I can see both sides of the fence on this one.
Unfortunately there are companies that do pump out crap parts on a massive scale, but its like that everywhere. The only way to avoid buying parts like that is to research. Use the search button. See what others who have bought a particular item think about it. Not all products are suited for actual use anyway, some just make your rig look nice and perform like crap.
At some point everyone should try to make thier own parts. It'll help you understand the way things work much easier than slapping on the latest thing that comes down the pike. It'll also give you much more appreciation for the vendors. "thumbsup"
I've only had four "warranty" issues since I've been in this hobby. One was a flywheel pin that failed which turned out to be a very rare occurance, and Traxxas sent me a new one. The second was a wind came off of a new motor and locked it up. HH replaced the armature. The third was 100% my own doing, but Eritex was nice enough to straighten it all out for me without my asking to do so. The fourth was a RPM arm that snapped, which of course they replaced. The thousands of dollars of other broken or damaged parts I just had to write off and replace myself. Its just the way it is. If I can't afford to pay, I can't afford to play. Simple as that.
bustedcrawler
Rock Crawler
Yup, there is a huge difference in how one of the OG's goes at a new truck versus a newer guy.
I've been down memory lane a few times, and I still remember when the TLT came out a few of us calling 2.2s a fad. Clods, TXTs, and Juggys were what you built your rig around. If you got a "working" rig for under $1000 you got one heck of a deal.
But, that mentality has carried over for me, in setting up my latest truck a Losi. Ask anyone who competes with me or has driven with me, I break stuff. I am hard on rigs as I am pushing the limits, I refuse to give in and go MOA as IMHO it takes the fun out of building the truck. MOAs are very forgiving on suspension design, and most of the fun for me is in the building and tuning, but that could be because I am an engineer by trade and degree.
My Losi was torn apart before I even had the computer up and RCC going. I have been working on a few tricks to help things work smoother that, honestly I never thought were that out of the box, but the more I read in the Losi section the more it seems I am way out of the box. I haven't broken it yet, I tore it apart, I have yet to bitch about it, I am trying things that most wouldn't think about... but that comes from building rigs from scratch. Crusing the clod/txt racing forums for ideas to apply to my crawler, and just plain old problem solving.
RTRs and newbies are the way things will be going as the I want it now mentality is king, but such is the price of progress.
I do agree with JIA, '04-'06 was the golden era, this board was so active with unique builds and tech sharing. Now its all hey look at my Axial I drug through the bolt on aisle threads. There are a few good build threads left, but not much. Now a days it is all about post count, and no longer about the quality of your post.
Oh to flash back to when I saw the flyer for RCC on HobbyTown Lakewood, Co B/S/T board.... then punch Dirk in the face for answering my call and getting me sucked in here :lol:
Chris_The_Battery_Man
I wanna be Dave
You didn't get the point man, I think we can all agree that someone that cant think for themselves is annoying. I still ask alot of questions, do alot of research, and ruin alot of crap. I don't know it all. But I do however try to figure it out for myself before I bother someone else who gets asked the same question 50 times a week.
Code454
Hateraide
people say they dont have the time to search and find all the information, Well for those people that cant do a simple thing but they cant rant about a company on a forum, well get out of the hobby it wasnt meant to be, try and fix it if u cant figure it out use the search button, and if that still didnt do it than simply ask for some help nicely instead of being pissed as soon as something breaks and blaming the company.
You know what the root problem is here?
It's parents putting thier kids on "time out" instead of giving them a gool old fashion lickin'.
It's parents putting thier kids on "time out" instead of giving them a gool old fashion lickin'.
BEELZEBOB
I wanna be Dave
im a bonafied arrogant newb dipshit.
i bought an RTR. but only after like 3 weeks putzing around the forums.
(got introduced to the search function right quick"thumbsup") and decided that even though i was gonna scrap most of it, i wanted the oppertunity to see what, and how each lil thing i upgraded changed the truck.
i like learning, but thats just me.
its like i said, the difference between an AX10 kit and RTR is approx $40.
that $40 covers a tx,rx,esc and servo.
the fact that platform even exists, i feel like i owe that privialedge to all you old dudes.
all your wrenchin and fabbin has allowed me to benefit from your successes.
the coolest part of this hobby for me is that as a jackass newb, people like Jay from losi, Bender and sparky from axial, tim, cato, tom, turtle, john, mica, tony 1 & 2, R2J, MThead,
and every single other like experienced individuals are by far the best part of the hobby.
i do stupid shit, and ask retarded questions. but yet everyone still wants to help me.
i break a part, guess what, someone hooked me with their spare. i cant figure out why my truck did something, well cato fixed it. i cant pull a certain line. some one shows me how.
its all about respect man. i owe what i have to the efforts of those before me.
so sure as shit, no way in fawking hell do i feel i could tell anyone the way it really is.
i aint gonna make a chassis and try and sell it as the new bomb shit, when actually i have no idea what im doing.
im not gonna bash a company because my cheap ass RTR things broke.
(who really wants that crap anyways. breaking is and excuse for upgrading)
the dudes who have been hard core in this hobby since 99, have made it to what it is today.
SOOOOOOOOOOO
as an empty headed newb, in reply to kami's original post;
I SINCERLY THANK YOU ALL.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE HOBBY WHAT IT IS.
THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME. (and continuing to do so in the future, cato, jay, sparky)
THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOU SUCCESS AND FAILURES.
THANK YOU FOR CREATING A GREAT COMMUNITY
THANKS FOR RCC
THANKS FOR NOT TELLING ME TO MY FACE WHAT A DOLT I AM"thumbsup"
i bought an RTR. but only after like 3 weeks putzing around the forums.
(got introduced to the search function right quick"thumbsup") and decided that even though i was gonna scrap most of it, i wanted the oppertunity to see what, and how each lil thing i upgraded changed the truck.
i like learning, but thats just me.
its like i said, the difference between an AX10 kit and RTR is approx $40.
that $40 covers a tx,rx,esc and servo.
the fact that platform even exists, i feel like i owe that privialedge to all you old dudes.
all your wrenchin and fabbin has allowed me to benefit from your successes.
the coolest part of this hobby for me is that as a jackass newb, people like Jay from losi, Bender and sparky from axial, tim, cato, tom, turtle, john, mica, tony 1 & 2, R2J, MThead,
and every single other like experienced individuals are by far the best part of the hobby.
i do stupid shit, and ask retarded questions. but yet everyone still wants to help me.
i break a part, guess what, someone hooked me with their spare. i cant figure out why my truck did something, well cato fixed it. i cant pull a certain line. some one shows me how.
its all about respect man. i owe what i have to the efforts of those before me.
so sure as shit, no way in fawking hell do i feel i could tell anyone the way it really is.
i aint gonna make a chassis and try and sell it as the new bomb shit, when actually i have no idea what im doing.
im not gonna bash a company because my cheap ass RTR things broke.
(who really wants that crap anyways. breaking is and excuse for upgrading)
the dudes who have been hard core in this hobby since 99, have made it to what it is today.
SOOOOOOOOOOO
as an empty headed newb, in reply to kami's original post;
I SINCERLY THANK YOU ALL.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE HOBBY WHAT IT IS.
THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME. (and continuing to do so in the future, cato, jay, sparky)
THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOU SUCCESS AND FAILURES.
THANK YOU FOR CREATING A GREAT COMMUNITY
THANKS FOR RCC
THANKS FOR NOT TELLING ME TO MY FACE WHAT A DOLT I AM"thumbsup"
toyofast
I wanna be Dave
Shit... 2003 was a great time, when there was fun involved. I thought RCC wasn't going to work back when Jason first started talking about it to me in Dec 2003.
