Petition/poll ~ Keep bodiless rigs in Sportsman!!!!

[krawlfreak]

So does that mean that there is a new national level class in the works?

Really?

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

After thinking about this for a day or so, I'm going to vote for bodies on pro shafty.

Traitor!




:ror:

Really?

Yes really. I must have missed something, and if it clears any of this up I'd like it spelled out.

 

[SledRig]

and Proline hasn't supported crawling at all since.

We have alot to prove to the big companies. We need to earn that respect back.

Is this what it's about? Proline needs to sell more bodies to crawlers? Maybe then they will sponsor the national events?

Are the big companies like Axial and Losi also upset that their rigs are so heavily modified to be competitive that they aren't recognizeable?

I personally don't like the look of any of the available crawler bodies, and if I see another VW bug body I'll puke.

 

[Manning]

So does that mean that there is a new national level class in the works?

Ever wonder why there was a sportsman/pro shafty class at Crawlapalooza? FYI, Crawlapalooza is the first USRCCA qualifier of the season.....

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Ever wonder why there was a sportsman/pro shafty class at Crawlapalooza? FYI, Crawlapalooza is the first USRCCA qualifier of the season.....

I wasn't able to attend...

 

[Manning]

Traitor!




:ror:
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Ha, after looking at the poll results as of now, I'm in a pretty small club of traitors. :lmao:

 

[Stormin2u]

Agreed. Its platform is more familiar to newcomers than anything.

But still, the AX10 is a dated platform with old technology. I love Axial, I really do, but they need to step up their game here. If you buy one in the box and try to compete with it, you learn very quickly how much of it sucks and will have to be replaced. That is a horrible thing to realize once you've just dropped $400 on something. Had Losi's worm gear system worked better they would have murdered the AX10 in sales and drivers.

If they could develop a rig with the same drive train but better tires, better chassis, and better geometry I would almost guarantee they would see an upkick in sales and we would see an upkick in activity.

I don't think anyone expects to have their LHS RTR last indefinitely or not require any hop ups, everyone enjoys make their rig their own with changes. Lois even with worm problems murdered the stock AX-10 IMO anytime you have a extra dig your looking good. But when you change that chassis for $100 that AX-10 got real competitive. All this Rookie protection just doesn't hunt for me, not at all.

This Sporty class had everyone buzzing but the bodiless chassis rule just put the fire out IMO. I haven't heard anything yet that makes what I'd call insightful or looks like anything more than short sightedness or some type of selective preference that knowbody is talking about to me.

 

[SledRig]

Having a body on a rig would make it somewhat easier to tell what class it runs in. Before someone says, "look at the axles, dummy", I'm talking about seeing a rig from 40 feet away, and/or from the side.


And if the owner is an artist, then the body becomes a canvas on which to unleash those creative skills.

These ideas are more necessary in wheel to wheel racing in order to tell cars in a pack apart. Or, to have enough real estate to display sponsors.

 

[Stormin2u]

Ever wonder why there was a sportsman/pro shafty class at Crawlapalooza? FYI, Crawlapalooza is the first USRCCA qualifier of the season.....

"thumbsup" best dam idea at a National event yet.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I don't think anyone expects to have their LHS RTR last indefinitely or not require any hop ups, everyone enjoys make their rig their own with changes. Lois even with worm problems murdered the stock AX-10 IMO anytime you have a extra dig your looking good. But when you change that chassis for $100 that AX-10 got real competitive. All this Rookie protection just doesn't hunt for me, not at all.

There is a difference between leaving room for the aftermarket and flogging an old horse.

Every Axial I've seen comp has been modified somewhat extensively. Nearly every Losi I've seen comp was much less so.

Since their performance was more or less equal (Losi having the edge with the double dig), that tells me the Losi comes better equipped to compete.

The rookie protection doesn't jive with me either.

I haven't heard anything yet that makes what I'd call insightful or looks like anything more than short sightedness or some type of selective preference that knowbody is talking about to me.

So far its been about dollar signs and weak patriotism. Disappointing to say the least...

 

[jokers_toys]

i loved my bodiless sportsman rig and was going to build a new one here soon.

i now run a bodiless moa but will have another shafty for sure..."thumbsup"

 

[Man of 5lay]

I say keep them. Thats what the majority or sportys are anyhow. I personally have a GC3A with a custom topper to make it bodiless. It looks funny, but works well.
Bodies are a disadvantage imo. I dont like to cut them up (Ill mess up aha) and then it just rubs on the tires all the time. Just my $.02

 

[rock hard]

After thinking about this for a day or so, I'm going to vote for bodies on pro shafty.

Why?
I'd like to see different some different looking rigs out on the course. I'm not meaning BJ vs. T1E, either.

If your a commitie member then its your vote,period.But if you was my states rep. I wouldn't want you to make a rule on your personal preference.

that being said,your statement is a least on merit I can except.
You like bodies,and don't "want" bodiless in this class,that is your opinion and its your vote....so I'm good with that,not that you should care really since your not my rep.

but any argument that it will somehow benefit the class,or those who currently comp in this class is at the best misguided,and at the worst absolute hogwash.

Ha, after looking at the poll results as of now, I'm in a pretty small club of traitors. :lmao:

I wouldn't say you,or this who voted the same as you are traitors,but I would say your wrong to ban what is a welcome change to the crawling community,the bodiless chassis from any class thats not scale.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I wouldn't say you,or this who voted the same as you are traitors,but I would say your wrong to ban what is a welcome change to the crawling community,the bodiless chassis from any class thats not scale.

Mad Mike was (still is) a force to be reckoned with when it came to driving a shafty.

He went moa this year. Part of the reason I called him a traitor. :ror:

 

[Manning]

I'm not on any rules committe or any other USRCCA affiliated group. I do know a rules committee member, but we have only talked about this for about 15 seconds, maybe 30, and anyone who knows both of us knows who was doing all the talking...... :lmao: ( love ya Ricky! )

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I'd like to thank the committee members that took the time to talk to us here, even if we didn't agree. Just saying something showed us that at least you care what we think.

We all hope you guys will reconsider this ruling. "thumbsup"

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Another batch of pm's out. "thumbsup"

 

[EvilTwin v2]

Again you guys asked for the theory...

Like I stated before it seems it is flawed. I think.we need to reassess the decision.

I probably should have said it earlier, but the fact that you're open minded and willing to post this publicly has shown me alot about your character. "thumbsup"

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I probably should have said it earlier, but the fact that you're open minded and willing to post this publicly has shown me alot about your character. "thumbsup"

Agreed. "thumbsup"

Like I said earlier, I've seen many of the committee members poking around in here, but only a small few have taken the time to discuss this with us.

 

[Highlucks]

That's gay....
I, like ricky, voted for body only to help make the appearance to the outside enthusiasts more appealing. as everyone knows I prefer bodiless but it was asked to set aside our own opinions.

Was it the right vote....

Not sure about it now, I do think this sheds some new light on the situation. I don't think a lynch mob mentality is the way to go, but enough voices can invoke changes, and I think seeing the interest in this thread will or should cause the rules committee to re-evaluate the decision.

Good to see hindsight may bring a rethinking to this ruling. In some committee members eyes.

I'm on the committee and I don't figure there's any doubt how I voted.

I do believe that the members who voted to ban were voting in what they thought was the best interest in the sport. However, I don't feel that they were concerned with representing the people currently in the sport.

A couple members are hoping that by forcing bodies that they can attract the interest of publications and racers who's entire MO is to hide what they do under a body, in order to keep a competitive advantage. The very reason that I have stuck with this hobby while only briefling dabbling in other forms of competitive RC is the people and the willingness by even the best of the best to help.

There are very few secrets here. People proudly show what new things they come up with. They display them on bodiless chassis or gladly remove their lid for other's to see, where we can easily see the new knuckle weights, wheel systems, axle tubes, chassis designs, etc. Then, what you can't see can be pretty easily found in build threads or on vendors' threads. People here have an attitude of "We help each other to be better, and then it means something more when I win."

At my first national qualifier, Gatekeeper spotted for me in 1.9. I was a nobody and he jumped in and started giving line suggestions. I had a blast. Go run 1/8 scale buggy or electric stadium truck and see how many people do that. Hell, go try to take a peak around one of their pits and see how quickly people get pissed off.

Are these really the people we're trying to emulate??? Is this what we want our hobby to become?

"thumbsup"

hmmm,I would agree that attendance is down.....and I would bet its the poor condition of our economy.I know it is for me,I would absolutely love to attend more comps,hell the disposable income simply isn't there.


how many news attend national event????
that is poor logic IMO to think making sportsman a body only class wil somehow make new guys buy plane tickets to travel to a comp in distant states.
or even spend the cash for fuel and motel to attend states.

Nope.its the die hard guys who love to compete that will spend the money to travel just to measure their skills,and hang with guys likeminded.

and as such,its the die hard guys in each state who you,as a rule commitie members should have considered 1st and foremost IMO

Agreed"thumbsup"

Agreed. Its platform is more familiar to newcomers than anything.

But still, the AX10 is a dated platform with old technology. I love Axial, I really do, but they need to step up their game here. If you buy one in the box and try to compete with it, you learn very quickly how much of it sucks and will have to be replaced. That is a horrible thing to realize once you've just dropped $400 on something. Had Losi's worm gear system worked better they would have murdered the AX10 in sales and drivers.

If they could develop a rig with the same drivetrain but better tires, better chassis, and better geometry I would almost guarantee they would see an upkick in sales and we would see an upkick in activity.

I think with the wraith axles soon to be or now available separately. I think there will be a lot of exciting sportsman builds. However this may not be the case if people were planning on doing this with a bodiless chassis. Then again even Wraith axles will need some upgrades.

and my logic is that bodiless has been a boost in the arm for the sportsman class and is therefore good for it.

what would you say has ignited the spark in sportsman "more" than bodiless
chassis?

why would you feel that banning a product that is so popular with the diehards would somehow spark additional growth?

no matter your answer,many will feel its wrong,I know you did what you feel is best,but I and many others feel you are mistaken.

I for one,wil not build my sportsman if I must run a body,I will sell the parts and build another moa.
Our sportsman interests has peaked right now,this desicioun has had nothing
but a negative affect,and that affects interest of diehards.....we are the majority of all members in our club...we spark the interest of news in our club.....not rules

Agreed

I don't think anyone expects to have their LHS RTR last indefinitely or not require any hop ups, everyone enjoys making their rig their own with changes. Lois even with worm problems murdered the stock AX-10 IMO anytime you have a extra dig your looking good. But when you change that chassis for $100 that AX-10 got real competitive. All this Rookie protection just doesn't hunt for me, not at all.

This Sporty class had everyone buzzing but the bodiless chassis rule just put the fire out IMO. I haven't heard anything yet that makes what I'd call insightful or looks like anything more than short sightedness or some type of selective preference that knowbody is talking about to me.

Totally agree. Bodiless chassis have bought new life to the dated AX10 platform. even if it does require a swag of cash to bring the axles up to a capable level