Petition/poll ~ Keep bodiless rigs in Sportsman!!!!

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Not sure why this was never brought up to more than just the rules comity.:roll: It does have an effect on some vendors here. Does that also mean tube chassis as well?

Shon you know as well as I do that if "we" as a club feel a rule needs to be modified for our local club that it is within our interest to do so.

Just as we did for the super class.

The USRCCA rules apply to, yes USRCCA clubs, but mainly to National level events running under said rules.

So ask yourselves, everyone. Are you going to attend a National event where these rules will be enforced? OR am I making a big stink for no reason?

Judging by some of the posts from informed members it does not seem like this is modifying the sportsman class, but rather creating an entirely new class formed for pro class drivers driving shaft driven 2 channel crawlers, AKA a throw back class, AKA a 2.2 Shafty class.

The Sportsman class is not a nationally recognized class, however after Crawlapooloza it sounds like there is now a 2.2 shaft class. I know some people may think it is the same, but in my eyes its not. In general National level events do not recognize new people to the sport as National contenders or cater to their inexperience.

 

[rock hard]

Shon you know as well as I do that if "we" as a club feel a rule needs to be modified for our local club that it is within our interest to do so.

Just as we did for the super class.

The USRCCA rules apply to, yes USRCCA clubs, but mainly to National level events running under said rules.

So ask yourselves, everyone. Are you going to attend a National event where these rules will be enforced? OR am I making a big stink for no reason?

Judging by some of the posts from informed members it does not seem like this is modifying the sportsman class, but rather creating an entirely new class formed for pro class drivers driving shaft driven 2 channel crawlers, AKA a throw back class, AKA a 2.2 Shafty class.

The Sportsman class is not a nationally recognized class, however after Crawlapooloza it sounds like there is now a 2.2 shaft class. I know some people may think it is the same, but in my eyes its not. In general National level events do not recognize new people to the sport as National contenders or cater to their inexperience.

no matter how yiou slice it,no matter how you dice it

there is no sensible logic behind it

 

[Highlucks]

Shon you know as well as I do that if "we" as a club feel a rule needs to be modified for our local club that it is within our interest to do so.

Just as we did for the super class.

The USRCCA rules apply to, yes USRCCA clubs, but mainly to National level events running under said rules.

So ask yourselves, everyone. Are you going to attend a National event where these rules will be enforced? OR am I making a big stink for no reason?

Judging by some of the posts from informed members it does not seem like this is modifying the sportsman class, but rather creating an entirely new class formed for pro class drivers driving shaft driven 2 channel crawlers, AKA a throw back class, AKA a 2.2 Shafty class.

The Sportsman class is not a nationally recognized class, however after Crawlapooloza it sounds like there is now a 2.2 shaft class. I know some people may think it is the same, but in my eyes its not. In general National level events do not recognize new people to the sport as National contenders or cater to their inexperience.

Last I checked anyone can buy a ticket to compete in the LCQ for the USRCRCA nationals.

 

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So ask yourselves, everyone. Are you going to attend a National event where these rules will be enforced? OR am I making a big stink for no reason?

The Sportsman class is not a nationally recognized class, however after Crawlapooloza it sounds like there is now a 2.2 shaft class. I know some people may think it is the same, but in my eyes its not. In general National level events do not recognize new people to the sport as National contenders or cater to their inexperience.

Until someone from the rules committee comes in and lines out exactly what is going on and why, and what new class, if any, is being made official, then the stink will continue.

We have been told that bodiless will be illegal in sportsman, and that is what we are going on.

 

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no matter how yiou slice it,no matter how you dice it

there is no sensible logic behind it

Oh Im not arguing one way or the other, but just trying to throw some different thinking into the situation.

However there is some logic behind the ruling. Maybe you or I don't agree with it, but that is just a matter of opinion. Viewing a subject from as many angles as possible before passing judgement is an important principal to follow from my experience.

 

[krawlfreak]

Shon you know as well as I do that if "we" as a club feel a rule needs to be modified for our local club that it is within our interest to do so.

Just as we did for the super class.

The USRCCA rules apply to, yes USRCCA clubs, but mainly to National level events running under said rules.

So ask yourselves, everyone. Are you going to attend a National event where these rules will be enforced? OR am I making a big stink for no reason?

Judging by some of the posts from informed members it does not seem like this is modifying the sportsman class, but rather creating an entirely new class formed for pro class drivers driving shaft driven 2 channel crawlers, AKA a throw back class, AKA a 2.2 Shafty class.

The Sportsman class is not a nationally recognized class, however after Crawlapooloza it sounds like there is now a 2.2 shaft class. I know some people may think it is the same, but in my eyes its not. In general National level events do not recognize new people to the sport as National contenders or cater to their inexperience.

This is by far the best post in last few pages.

This is going to be a new class (nationally).

So there are no rules impplemented yet.

I do believe the majority of the committee would like this a grassroots type class people can associate with.

Now it really seems the bodiless issue is more than some expected, and. I think it should be handled accordingly.

but I am strongly against any type of dig or moa competing in this class.

 

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Last I checked anyone can buy a ticket to compete in the LCQ for the USRCRCA nationals.

They sure can, my question was how many people from here will. And even so will there be an LCQ for a shafty class?

Until someone from the rules committee comes in and lines out exactly what is going on and why, and what new class, if any, is being made official, then the stink will continue.

We have been told that bodiless will be illegal in sportsman, and that is what we are going on.

Can't it go both ways? Why create a stink when we don't really know whats going on?

I understand voicing your opinion when you have a distaste for something, but when all the facts are not present or may not be accurate, how can that distaste be warranted?

 

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Oh Im not arguing one way or the other, but just trying to throw some different thinking into the situation.

However there is some logic behind the ruling. Maybe you or I don't agree with it, but that is just a matter of opinion. Viewing a subject from as many angles as possible before passing judgement is an important principal to follow from my experience.

hey...I said it has no "sensable" logic
The points have been made already

people are not buyin the crap that ist gonna be good for any competative class



remember the old saying

dont piss on my back and tell me it raining

well dont tell me this rule will help the turnout or interest in any class..at any level.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Can't it go both ways? Why create a stink when we don't really know whats going on?

I understand voicing your opinion when you have a distaste for something, but when all the facts are not present or may not be accurate, how can that distaste be warranted?

When an owner of this site makes comments in favor the rule in that particular class without any further explanation, I feel our distastes are pretty fawkin' warranted.

No one has come out and directly said "we are developing a new national class for digless shafties and leaving the unofficial local sportsman classes open for new and less competitive members to become integrated into our sport and also to help drive sales for our vendors and manufacturers".

This thread has been up for a bit more than 24 hours, I have alerted every committee member on the list, and I've seen a good number of them lurking here. It seems to me that there has been plenty of opportunity for clarification and a laying out of facts. Instead, its taken 12 pages for anyone to make an attempt to understand what is going on for next season, and I have no idea if I'm even close to being right.

 

[rock hard]

This is by far the best post in last few pages.

This is going to be a new class (nationally).

So there are no rules impplemented yet.

I do believe the majority of the committee would like this a grassroots type class people can associate with.

Now it really seems the bodiless issue is more than some expected, and. I think it should be handled accordingly.

but I am strongly against any type of dig or moa competing in this class.

the ban on the chassis is the issue,I would be strongly agianst dig or moa aswell.

grass roots.....hell I thought us local members was the grass roots
we dont run bodies anymore,and we dont want to go back to runing bodies

 

[krawlfreak]

the ban on the chassis is the issue,I would be strongly agianst dig or moa aswell.

grass roots.....hell I thought us local members was the grass roots
we dont run bodies,and we dont want to start runing bodies

I am pretty sure most bodyless chassis including mine were not around when this whole thing started....

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I am pretty sure most bodyless chassis including mine were not around when this whole thing started....

"The whole thing" meaning crawlers, or "the whole thing" meaning sportsman?

Because if we're talking crawlers in general, they're going to have to cut a lot more than bodiless chassis'.

 

[rock hard]

I am pretty sure most bodyless chassis including mine were not around when this whole thing started....

oh,we going that grass roots?

so the new guy is gonna have to scratch build his chassis?

and tubers dotn run a body"thumbsup"thats pretty grass roots right there;-)

 

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This is by far the best post in last few pages.

This is going to be a new class (nationally).

So there are no rules impplemented yet.

I do believe the majority of the committee would like this a grassroots type class people can associate with.

Now it really seems the bodiless issue is more than some expected, and. I think it should be handled accordingly.

but I am strongly against any type of dig or moa competing in this class.

I do what I can.:ror:

hey...I said it has no "sensable" logic
The points have been made already

people are not buyin the crap that ist gonna be good for any competative class



remember the old saying

dont piss on my back and tell me it raining

well dont tell me this rule will help the turnout or interest in any class..at any level.

How does anyone know what is good for a class that does not currently exist?
It works both ways.

When I look at this debate I think about the changes that were done to the super class and the creation of the 1.9 class, hell even the modifications of the 2.2 class that have taken place over the years. Did I agree with all the changes that took place, of course not, was I willing to give them a try?... Most of them.:mrgreen:

The fact is that a few people and a couple small vendors don't pull weight when it comes to pulling in thousands of new drivers, multimillion dollar companies and their attention.
There is just no way every single person will be happy with a decision of any type when it affects more then themselves.

I honestly have not made an opinion on this subject, Im still waiting for all the facts.

 

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The fact is that a few people and a couple small vendors don't pull weight when it comes to pulling in thousands of new drivers, multimillion dollar companies and their attention.

Ha!

I honestly have not made an opinion on this subject,

I think you just did.

 

[krawlfreak]

"The whole thing" meaning crawlers, or "the whole thing" meaning sportsman?

Because if we're talking crawlers in general, they're going to have to cut a lot more than bodiless chassis'.

Jesus...
Do you have to be so argumentative.

Grassroots...

Back to the old school

Pro shafted class

One motor

No dig

Body or no body....that is the question.

I think people should calm down and stop thinking r/c members stole your lunch.

I am sure it will be discussed and I am sure your opinions will be weighed...Hell I have told them myself.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Jesus...Do you have to be so argumentative.

Only when people won't elaborate on something that most of us aren't aware of. Grassroots is a term with a wide swing.

 

[rock hard]

I do what I can.:ror:



How does anyone know what is good for a class that does not currently exist?
It works both ways.

When I look at this debate I think about the changes that were done to the super class and the creation of the 1.9 class, hell even the modifications of the 2.2 class that have taken place over the years. Did I agree with all the changes that took place, of course not, was I willing to give them a try?... Most of them.:mrgreen:

The fact is that a few people and a couple small vendors don't pull weight when it comes to pulling in thousands of new drivers, multimillion dollar companies and their attention.
There is just no way every single person will be happy with a decision of any type when it affects more then themselves.

I honestly have not made an opinion on this subject, Im still waiting for all the facts.

man,seems to me one slice just got peeled off,and I dont like the smell of it.

 

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Ha!



I think you just did.

No I really haven't. That is a fact of economics chief."thumbsup"

 

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No I really haven't. That is a fact of economics chief."thumbsup"

I think you have, and I am well aware of the workings of economics.

I was just unaware of the fact that we insignificant members of RCC are here to make sure multimillion dollar manufacturers make their multimillions.