Petition/poll ~ Keep bodiless rigs in Sportsman!!!!

[Fishmaxx]

Not sure why we want to rule and regulate a true drivers/builders/tuners class like this. :roll:

Its already Regulated Class

NO MOA
NO DIG

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Its already Regulated Class

NO MOA
NO DIG

Obviously.

Is this all the light that you can shed on this issue?

 

[toyotax10]

Its already Regulated Class


NO MOA
NO DIG

So why regulate more?
Come on rules committee, give us a good reason...wait , no.
Give us the REAL reason for this ruling!
And then tell us why we weren't allowed to vote on this as a whole,
Before it got this far. This is not a dictatorship here this is a hobby we all help build and support. No reason to keep anything from any of us.

DO THE RIGHT THING HERE!!!

 

[toyotax10]

SO .
Are the "rules committee" members voted in?:mrgreen:

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

And then tell us why we weren't allowed to vote on this as a whole,
Before it got this far.

Because that is what a rules committee does. Up until now they've done a damn good job of keeping us going.

This new ruling is idiotic, and no one can come out and solidly explain why.

 

[TURTLE]

the sprtsman class does exist



this was mentioned in the sportsman section,after the issue arised that it was on the table to make the class body only.
its clear that the sprtsman class is what this rule affects,so aurguing otherwise is an insult to ones intellagence

and the post from turtle disturbs me
basically its ok to squash on a few little vendors and people,to get a heavy hitter in the ring.
sad way of looking at it IMO

A sportsman class does exist? I thought the USRCCA rules were guidelines for a local class not actual rules?... Has a Sportsman class been run at Nationals before? OH, so technically the class doesn't exist right? Locally, your club may run it, but its not a real class by USRCCA standards."thumbsup"


I guarantee I do more for these vendors they you will every do. Its not an opinion of the workings of business, it is the way it works whether you turn a blind eye to it or not. However you are misconstruing what I said. I suggest you reread it and actually try to digest the information before you begin typing again.

The problem with you guys right now is that even if you heard a amazing argument to keep bodiless away, you would turn a blind eye to it and call that person an idiot. This thread doesn't feel constructive anymore.

Because you are so aggressive in addressing this issue is the reason you are not getting people brave enough to fight the masses. No one wants to be the outcast and attacked by an unruly mob of illogical people.

Try calming down a little and maybe you could get feed back from both sides by more people.

Because that is what a rules committee does. Up until now they've done a damn good job of keeping us going.

This new ruling is idiotic, and no one can come out and solidly explain why.

That is pretty near sited of you. "They do a great job, but I know this is wrong because I said."

Right now you sound like a child having a temper tantrum . Im not trying to be offensive, but honestly if you break it down its how you sound.

I know your not along in your thinking, but there are people on the other side, but they are not going to post because they don't want to get in a pissing match with you.

Have fun, good luck with your battle. Remind me to never go crawling with you, you seem to take this way to serious to have any fun.

 

[Stormin2u]

Its already Regulated Class

NO MOA
NO DIG

Of course it is just not a very successful one, it's played the role of second class citizen for way to long. when instead it should working harder to restore our dwindling numbers at the club level by being recognized as a affordable useful tool for membership restoration.

NO MOA
NO DIG
NO BODIILESS the latest attempt to keep this class from attaining it's rightful place. :twisted:

 

[rock hard]

turtle so far I have heard NO amazing reasons.....some of you rule commitie guys may think your reason is amazing,,,but clearly the majority who have read this thread dont agree with you..do they.


and there absolutly IS a sportsman class
its in the rules 2.5"thumbsup"
RULES....not GUIDLINES



now you are talking about going national with it,and that is GREAT
but then you had to fk up a good thing by even considering making it a body only class for "nastalgia" cuz the arguement that bodies get more people intersted holds no water.


but maybe,justy maybe is you slic and dice enough,you will be able to articulate how this is an amazing idea and not idiotic

and I'm sure you have done alot for vendors,not sayiing you havnt
but you did say what you said
I dont feel it was out of context....I think it was dead on as it was a quote of one of your reasoninig

 

[Fishmaxx]

First let me say nothing has been finalized, so stop bashing us before you know the facts.

For the last couple of years drivers have been asking for Sportsman Class, and at the same time overall comp attendance has been declining. For the most part I would say the economy is the biggest reason.

Faced with this the rules committee was tasked with finding a way to grow the sport.

2.2S Class was created"thumbsup"

What the "S" is for is up to you :shock:

The first thing that was talked about is why do we need it in the first place?

Do we want to create a class so the current group of comp drivers have more drive time, or do want to create class that will attract new drivers.

Personally feel we should shoot for both.


I am a techy guy so this was very hard for me. I love bodiless, but stopped and thought when was the last time you got a random person just walking by on crawling. Its been years!

The PUBLIC perception is that current comp truck are high tech and expensive, and I thing MOA and bodiless are both to blame.

I also started thinking about Ex-Crawlers! The guys that are no longer around. The guys that use to build chassis out of aluminum scrapes that got chased off.

And last but not least The Scalers....the guys that love the realism of driving 4x4's that look good, and feel that part of the appeal of the class is it takes us back to our roots.


So the the dilemma is this....Do we create a class that appeals to the current group oh high level drivers or create a class that might HELP bring in some new blood. My suggestion is both.

As a comp organizer I know I can sell alot of tickets to Nationals to current drivers to the guys that voted to keep bodiless in this poll, but is that really growing the sport?

Maybe I am dumb, but I would rather sell 25 tickets to NEW DRIVERS, than 100 to the same 100 drivers competing in 2.2 Pro Class.

Guess that just depends on what you think growing the sport means to you.

 

[rock hard]

Right now you sound like a child having a temper tantrum . Im not trying to be offensive, but honestly if you break it down its how you sound.

you are the one who just got offensive,duuude has been very civil IMO

I know your not along in your thinking, but there are people on the other side, but they are not going to post because they don't want to get in a pissing match with you.


they dont have to post to vote

Have fun, good luck with your battle. Remind me to never go crawling with you, you seem to take this way to serious to have any fun.

Now you are deffinatly the one who sounds childish,not willing to crawl with
a guy cuz he passionatly dissagrees with you.

Look you sound like a child who screwed up,and simply wont come clean,issntead just keep tryinig to justify your actions.


Duuuude and I are always arguing,about topics of much more significance,we never agree on jack,but it wouldnt keep me from hitting the rocks with him.

 

[Fishmaxx]

Of course it is just not a very successful one, it's played the role of second class citizen for way to long. when instead it should working harder to restore our dwindling numbers at the club level by being recognized as a affordable useful tool for membership restoration.

I know exactly how you feel, and PERCEPTION is reality.

I think creating a class that will compete at the National level will do a lot to help with the status part of it, AND I also feel the if the class is perceived ANOTHER high tech class it won't attract NEW members.

If giving current drivers more drive time is what people mean by growing the sport then thats cool ......but not what I was looking for;-)

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

The problem with you guys right now is that even if you heard a amazing argument to keep bodiless away, you would turn a blind eye to it and call that person an idiot. This thread doesn't feel constructive anymore.

Because you are so aggressive in addressing this issue is the reason you are not getting people brave enough to fight the masses. No one wants to be the outcast and attacked by an unruly mob of illogical people.

Bring us an amazing argument. We will listen. If you think the crowd may get too unruly, you can either pm me or use the email address I posted.

I have had many debates on this site with many different people. I respect their point of view and have always tried to treat them as adults and never make it personal. Ask Rock Hard...we've spent hours arguing different sides of a subject yet I doubt either of us hold any personal animosity towards each other.

So again, if someone is afraid of the mob, talk to me or any one else directly.

Try calming down a little and maybe you could get feed back from both sides by more people.

I am calm. But I'm not going to let this go.

That is pretty near sited of you. "They do a great job, but I know this is wrong because I said." I know your not along in your thinking, but there are people on the other side, but they are not going to post because they don't want to get in a pissing match with you.

Its not just me that is saying it. I may have spearheaded this movement, but there are 150+ others who have signed on.

Have fun, good luck with your battle. Remind me to never go crawling with you, you seem to take this way to serious to have any fun.

Fun is the only reason I'm here. "thumbsup"

 

[C*H*U*D]

I suggest you reread it and actually try to digest the information before you begin typing again.

I read what you said, and wasn't offended since I know what you're talking about. I've seen it happen in Mountain Bike racing as well. Sometimes it was good, sometimes not so good. I don't think any Vendors here would be squashed, but I wanted to point out that sometimes smaller is better.

The problem with you guys right now is that even if you heard a amazing argument to keep bodiless away, you would turn a blind eye to it and call that person an idiot. This thread doesn't feel constructive anymore.

I'd just like to know what's going on so I know what I'm talking about. I've seen a few different reasons, and now an explanation of a different/separate class. Before I go any further I'd like to know:

1. What is the reason for this change? Does the r/c really have some solid information as to why this needs to change, or is it an experimental idea to see if it works? Is this about drawing in larger sponsors for an upcoming Nationals involving Sportsman?

2. What is the talk about concerning this new class? Is it really something new, or is Sportsman going to become this class? Is this class the one that is going to be run at Nationals next year?

I know that the local clubs have control over how they want to run, and even if this rule is put into place, I doubt anyone is going to be turned away locally because they run bodiless. I'd just like to know what is going on.

 

[rock hard]

I can see you logic john

but I dont agree with it

Oh 2.2s....sportsman

Guys are not picking up a truck cuz they cant afford it as you said.

best think for crawling is to keep local clubs strong,the guys who are diehards are the ones who get NEW drivers excited and wiling to spend the $$$$$ to buy your 25 tickets and attend.

If the guys on the ground at local comps are not into it,it wont be successful
cuz the new guys are gonna want what......comeroderie,and you dont get that comping in a class by yourself while everyone else is in a better class.

this class had better be fun for us diehard if you want it to grow,and as you guys can see,alot if us die hards have grown very fond of our chassis

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

First let me say nothing has been finalized, so stop bashing us before you know the facts.

For the last couple of years drivers have been asking for Sportsman Class, and at the same time overall comp attendance has been declining. For the most part I would say the economy is the biggest reason.

Faced with this the rules committee was tasked with finding a way to grow the sport.

Thank you for the explanation. Where were you 10 pages ago? :ror:

 

[Fishmaxx]

alot if us die hards have grown very fond of our chassis

Does your chassis stop working with a body on it?

 

[BigBaller]

TLT's axles only. There, problem solved.

Bodiless rigs are an evolution in the basics we started with. We had bodied rigs, basic axles, handmade stuff. Now, this high tech world of 2 motors, 2 esc's $500 radios to mix almost any combination of throttle and blah, blah...


I voted for no bodiless rigs! The guys crying about them KNOW they helped their shafty trucks. That's the one thing that advanced a shafty. The lack of hang up and drag of running a full spec'd body is helping the shafties. If it didn't, then go back to a larger full body. "No, I wanna have some advantages...."

This sportsman class is to bring people IN! Let's stop crying and keep it as basic like the mini's.


Rig rules...

No dig, no moa, no bodiless.
One motor, 4 wheel drive, full body.
The rest is up to you.

 

[C*H*U*D]

So the the dilemma is this....Do we create a class that appeals to the current group oh high level drivers or create a class that might HELP bring in some new blood. My suggestion is both.

Maybe I am dumb, but I would rather sell 25 tickets to NEW DRIVERS, than 100 to the same 100 drivers competing in 2.2 Pro Class.

One of the first things I said here is that personally I'm disappointed, but this is the first thing I've read that helps explain things better. I still don't like the idea of banning bodiless, but I do agree with you Fish.

but it wouldnt keep me from hitting him with the rocks

I agree with this too :mrgreen:

 

[rock hard]

Does your chassis stop working with a body on it?

why do we like our chassis is the question


easy recovery for me,so YES the chassis looses its benifite once you strap a chunk of lexan on it.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Does your chassis stop working with a body on it?

Does your rig not crawl with Moabs?

Bodiless rigs are an evolution in the basics we started with.

Nobody built tubers way back then?

This sportsman class is to bring people IN! Let's stop crying and keep it as basic like the mini's.

Sportsman DOES bring people in. New people see it as a group that is challenging but doesn't put them up against mega-buck moa's. Existing drivers see it as a back to basics, driver oriented, lower cost and sometimes more challenging class.

If new drivers are really the main interest here, start a stock spec or beginner class. There is no need to fiddle with what is already working for a good number of people.