9/11 Theories

[Duuuuuuuude]

Thats a difference between you and I

see,you may not be able to know for sure that I had a pain on my neck,just cuz YOU don't know doesn't mean I didn't.

and you maybe it looks like it rained last night,with your thought process....

There is rain on the ground,and the rain gauge has rain in it.....but you was asleep,you didn't see it,so you can't prove it cuz you wasn't there to see and feel the rain as it fell.......:lmao:

Correct. You were there, you had the pain, so you know. I wasn't there, I didn't see it, and all I have is your word that you had a pain and that it was in your neck.

As long as its a believable story I would have no reason to doubt you.

Now if you said a Viking appeared through a time portal and attacked you with a broadsword but you fended him off with a set of garden tongs and tweaked your neck doing crazy ninja moves, then I would have cause to doubt your story. Especially so if you told me you had evidence to prove it all but couldn't show it to me.

that I can agree with
in the towers,well there is so much ruble......but not at the pentagon
But hey,look how they clean up after a weather ballon hits the ground:ror:

Speaking of cleanup, do you know where all the steel from the towers went?

 

[jeepron]

Speaking of cleanup, do you know where all the steel from the towers went?

well i dont know if its BS or not but my town had a 9-11 memorial and there was a "claimed" beam from the building

 

[jeepron]

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

well i dont know if its BS or not but my town had a 9-11 memorial and there was a "claimed" beam from the building

Let me rephrase that...do you know where a majority of the steel from the towers went?

 

[jeepron]

well just a quick google search and looks like ALOT of towns were getting pieces,,obviously it doesnt account for what was there

 

[jeepron]

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html

There it is.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Here's the best pic of the bottom side of a 767 that I could find. Notice the "pod" type bulge where the wings meet the fuselage.

 

[rock hard]

Correct. You were there, you had the pain, so you know. I wasn't there, I didn't see it, and all I have is your word that you had a pain and that it was in your neck.

As long as its a believable story I would have no reason to doubt you.

Now if you said a Viking appeared through a time portal and attacked you with a broadsword but you fended him off with a set of garden tongs and tweaked your neck doing crazy ninja moves, then I would have cause to doubt your story. Especially so if you told me you had evidence to prove it all but couldn't show it to me.



Speaking of cleanup, do you know where all the steel from the towers went?

I know it took along time to clean up,there was a lot of metal....I dint thnk to question where they would take it.


I would assume a recycling center,I also ,,,,,,you know what
I have been revisiting this 2 nights in a row now,whats multiple videos,and have found a excellent one of 2nd planes underbelly'


listened to loved ones of tower,and flight........I have yet to see anything worthy of question IMO except the #7 building,and all this DIGGING around HOPING to find what YOU people want which is a conspiracy....or cover up.....its sickening....'have fun



peace out

 

[jammin311]

I know I should just leave but here is some fuel from today for the fire.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4120430,00.html

 

[chip cross]

I know I should just leave but here is some fuel from today for the fire.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4120430,00.html

Why would the recycle one of the big crime scenes in US history? They were in CYA
Why didn't they go and spend millions laying everything out and doing an investigation? That is easy they were in CYA mode.
Why would they cover up with dirt the crime scene at the Pentagon?
Which they did. They were in CYA mode
Why was there no Hazmat clean up at the Pentagon or in Shanksville of the spilled Jet Fuel ? What happened to all the dirt saturated in Jet fuel ?
Did they leave it to seep into the ground water ?
Jet fuel is nothing but diesel, it will not burn hot enough to melt plane engine.

 

[jammin311]

another from today this drove my co-worker crazy and I loved it


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/11/national/main20104377.shtml




In an article for Psychology Today, Ilan Shrira wrote: "Conspiracy theories help us cope with distressing events and make sense out of them. Conspiracies assure us that bad things don't just happen randomly. Conspiracies tell us that someone out there is accountable, however unwittingly or secretly or incomprehensibly, so it's possible to stop these people and punish them and in due course let everyone else re-establish control over their own lives. Conspiracies also remind us that we shouldn't blame ourselves for our predicaments; it's not our fault, it's them! In these ways, believing in conspiracies serves many of the same self-protective functions as scapegoating."

By grasping at straws, and laying the blame on anything other than senseless, random violence - the very hallmark of al Qaeda's crusade - truthers are trying to make order where there is none, and in the end, the only people they want to make feel better are themselves.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I know it took along time to clean up,there was a lot of metal....I dint thnk to question where they would take it. I would assume a recycling center

Some of it did end up at a local recycling center, but a bulk of it went offshore.

I didn't think much of it either when I heard about it. Now its just another puzzle peice.

,,,,,,you know what
I have been revisiting this 2 nights in a row now,whats multiple videos,and have found a excellent one of 2nd planes underbelly'

listened to loved ones of tower,and flight........I have yet to see anything worthy of question IMO except the #7 building,and all this DIGGING around HOPING to find what YOU people want which is a conspiracy....or cover up.....its sickening....'have fun

peace out

I don't want my governement to be responsible. It is fairly evident that they at the very least had knowledge of the event before it happened, so that makes me question the circumstances. I would be happier knowing that my government would take no part in something like this than it would to find that they in fact did.

You haven't found anything convincing because you don't want to be convinced. There are plenty of things brought up that puts the government in a bad light, mainly Operation Northwoods, which I doubt you've even taken the time to read.

If you aren't willing to consider any of the points we're discussing, then there is no point in being here in the first place.

By grasping at straws, and laying the blame on anything other than senseless, random violence - the very hallmark of al Qaeda's crusade - truthers are trying to make order where there is none, and in the end, the only people they want to make feel better are themselves.

The 9/11 events are not cut and dry. If they were there would be no questions, no suspicion. The government could easily release the information it has and clear this all up in a matter of hours, yet in 10 years they have given us nothing but computer simulations and testimonies by experts who once claimed it couldn't have happened and now work really hard to say that it in fact could.

Like I just said, I don't want my government to be a responsible party to this, but they make it difficult to believe that they weren't.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Interesting stuff about Fairchild flight and voice data recorders...these are continuous loop, analog tape recorders. These were found in the plane that hit the Pentagon.

Crash Impact Test -- It has been agreed that 3400gs for 6.5 ms would be required to meet most accident scenarios. This test is actually performed with a cannon. A Fairchild CVR has survived a crash that was estimated to be more than 6000 gs.

Static Crush -- In this test, 5,000-pound pressure is applied against all six axis points.

Pierce Test -- A pierce test employs a 500-lb. weight dropped from 10 feet. It has been modified to be performed with a hardened steel pin.

Fire Test -- The devices are subjected to 1100 degrees Centigrade for 60 minutes, then undergo 10 hours at 260 degrees Centigrade. Because of its outstanding fire survival record, the Fairchild Model A100CVR was used as the model to insure mandated standards could be obtained. The very latest FAA standards require the fire test to be expanded to 1 hour at 1100 degrees Centigrade (just over 2000 degrees Fahrenheit :shock: ). which all solid state models of L-3 Recorders meet or exceed.

The plane that crashed in Pennsylvania carried the Allied Signal SSFDR, built by Honeywell and carries the same specifications but is a digital unit.

 

[72Blazer]

I have to comment on the Flight 93 photos that show just a smouldering hole.That is exactly what it looks like when plane goes nose first into the ground.I have seen two other crashes that were exactly and I mean EXACTLY the same.One was ValuJet Flight 592 that crashed into the Evergaldes in 1996.I was stationed there when it happened.I flew over the crash site while enroute to a patrol and all you could see was a hole in the swamp.No debris field what so ever.And on either side of the hole you could see where the wings impacted and folded up as they went into the hole.Just like the pics of flight 93.As far as an engine from Flight 93 being found almost intact,it is quite possible that the engine sheared off due to the extreme forces of the plane spiraling out of control from the passangers trying to gain control from the hijackers.There really isn't that much holding an engine to a plane.A lot less than you would think.So when the engine,mounts and airframe are subjected to forces that they weren't designed to withstand,something has to let go.And as far as why the other engine didn't come off at the same time all that I can think of is that the engine that came off had possibly been on the plane longer than the other one.The engine and mounting hardware had more airframe cycles to it than the other engine so its possible that it failed before the newer hardware did.But I can only guess because I haven't seen the maintenance records.

The other crash that I saw photos of was a Coast Guard E-3C Hawkeye that crashed nose first in Puerto Rico.Lost a friend in that crash. All that was left was a smouldering hole,again,just like Flight 93.

Looking at the photos of the Pentagon you can see on either side of the hole small slashes where the wings hit and folded up and the plane went into the buuilding.There aren't going to be huge holes where the wings hit because of how the Pentagon was constructed.It was built like a fort or bunker with the outer walls built to withstand a lot.So what I see in the photos is damage from a plane.

Now looking at the video and photos of the Trade Centers you can see where the wings penetrated the buildings and didn't fold up like in the FLight 93 and Pentagon photos.The reason for this is how the Trade Centers were built.They weren't built like the Pentagon.It was easier to penetrate the Trade Centers than it was the Pentagon.The Trade Centers were built to absorb the impact of a 727 (largest aircraft at the time) at a speed of about 250 knts.Not a 767 at almost 400 knts.So a large aircraft hitting the Trade Centers at that speed will leave huge hole shaped like an airplane and its wings.And,well,you saw what happened.

I don't want to think that my government,The Commander in Chief ,who I swore I would obey all his commands,would have something to do with all this.I really don't think we will ever know.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

ValuJet Flight 592 that crashed into the Evergaldes in 1996. No debris field what so ever.And on either side of the hole you could see where the wings impacted and folded up as they went into the hole.Just like the pics of flight 93.

I would expect a plane to disappear nose first into a swamp, but thats a good example. A DC-9 is also a smaller plane.

As far as an engine from Flight 93 being found almost intact,it is quite possible that the engine sheared off due to the extreme forces of the plane spiraling out of control from the passangers trying to gain control from the hijackers.

That could very well be. Someone who is better at math than I could calculate speed distance and time and figure out when it came off before the crash and compare it to the air traffic reports. There was no usable info on the FDR.

The Popular Mechanics debunking article claimed that one of the wings on 77 clipped the ground as it approached, and that is why you didn't see its mark on the Pentagon. I don't recall seeing a gouge worthy of ripping a wing off...

I don't want to think that my government,The Commander in Chief ,who I swore I would obey all his commands,would have something to do with all this.

Check out Operation Northwoods. See how close they came once before.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

For you "ain't got no time to read" type people...

Its a little flashy and sensationalistic, but its mostly there. The DoD and Joint Chiefs of Staff concocted and signed off on this idea. The only person left to convince to make it happed was JFK, who flatly refused.

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[cbr6fs]

For you "ain't got no time to read" type people...

Its a little flashy and sensationalistic, but its mostly there. The DoD and Joint Chiefs of Staff concocted and signed off on this idea. The only person left to convince to make it happed was JFK, who flatly refused.

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First thing that strikes me after watching that is:

Do they really care enough about public opinion to go THAT far?

It's also a massive risk.
First the entire operation would involve hundreds of people, from ATC's to mechanics to fit out the plane, remote pilots, refuellers, pilots then there are the family members of all those.

Sure the ground crew may well be in the armed forces now, but what about in 30 years time, or what about if he left a confession in his will.
You'd then have GWB and his cronies indited on war crimes and his legacy of him, his family and any future generations being ostracised.


To me that's what really shoots the foot of most of these conspiricy theories.
Already we've seen many many questioned asked about the WMD's in Iraq, people no longer in government and eager to cash in on book sales are coming clean all the time.


Just can't see it meself.

 

[vonclod]

ya northwoods is irrefutable..evil stuff, i read somewhere that politicians as a group have much higher percentages of being sociopaths..very simular to a phycopath..no remorse or regard for others, ego, decietfull and manipulative
as for the commander in chief.. who says the buck stops with him ..many different levels of power and the right hand may not know what the left hand is up to..maybee why kennedy was killed

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

First thing that strikes me after watching that is:

Do they really care enough about public opinion to go THAT far?

Cheney was asked a few years ago what he thought about the large percentage of American people that thought that our invasion of the middle east was unjustified. His reply was "So?".

It's also a massive risk.
First the entire operation would involve hundreds of people, from ATC's to mechanics to fit out the plane, remote pilots, refuellers, pilots then there are the family members of all those.

People can do things without knowing exactly why. Refueling a plane is not a big deal. Outfitting drones could be done under the pretext that they are for training purposes. Drones get shot down all the time during military exercises. They could have been outfitted long before 9/11.

Like Northwoods, the supposed "passengers" could have been agents. The planes could have been empty.

Really, if this was that kind of operation, the only people who would have had direct knowledge would of been those in charge, the fake passengers, and the remote pilots.

Sure the ground crew may well be in the armed forces now, but what about in 30 years time, or what about if he left a confession in his will.

In 30 years would anybody be able to do anything about it? Would they be able to do anything about it now?

You'd then have GWB and his cronies indited on war crimes and his legacy of him, his family and any future generations being ostracised.

I think I recall something stating that GWB and his cabinet could NOT be indicted or even questioned about it...part of the Patriot Act. I'd have to go look to be sure.

ya northwoods is irrefutable..evil stuff, i read somewhere that politicians as a group have much higher percentages of being sociopaths..very simular to a phycopath..no remorse or regard for others, ego, decietfull and manipulative
as for the commander in chief.. who says the buck stops with him ..many different levels of power and the right hand may not know what the left hand is up to..maybee why kennedy was killed

Check out CIA Family Jewels. If you think Northwoods is fawked up...:shock: