Petition/poll ~ Keep bodiless rigs in Sportsman!!!!

[BC Racing]

:shock:.....wow

Glad I have a couple seasons under my belt.....because if I was a total newb, and read this thread, I would not have even bothered. Been done, before I even got started.


Maybe I missed a meeting.....but don't we all play with TOY TRUCKS??


Flame away if you must....I honestly give about as much of a fawk as if you run a body or not. You still have to drive the damn thing, and hopefully have fun while doing it.

 

[666]

I support bodiless all the way and I voted that way."thumbsup"

From page 4..

good effort 666, looks like you have no clue what you're talkin about from my point of view, you say that we (or duuuuuuuude) have no idea what were talkin about then get called out on it and run away with your tail between your legs.

from your first post you clearly had something to ad? then decided its all been covered in the past 17 pages? I dont get it and it looks like you don't either. the poll results are pretty straight forward "thumbsup"

Tuck my tail and run? Ha, that's good, I have been doing this longer than you, and most likely will be here doing it longer.

I know what the poll says, I can read. I have read this thread many times over now as well. I have talked with people nation wide and have seen what people like. And I voted that way. I have tried avoiding this thread because I knew what was going to happen, and dawm you guys did well. Any manufacturer that reads this probably thinks your all a bunch of whiny pansies.

I would like to see in the poll if people who voted even compete or would compete at a national level.

I do this for everyone, for fun, to make things bigger and better, and this is what I/we get. Sweet, I'm glad.

Happy Halloween people.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

~~~***EnLiGhTeNmEnT***~~~

From the top...4 pages into 4X's build thread...

Bodied cars attract way more people to the hobby than bodiless.

page 5...

I don't see how it alienates anyone, honestly how long would it take you to put a body on your sporty? I'd say less than 5 minutes, and BAM you are in compliance.

i truely believe this will become the most competitive class yet because every driver will be striving for every little tid bit of an advantage and the true drivers and tuners of the sport are gonna shine.

Maybe its one step back to get two steps forward."thumbsup"

It may be a bit of a sacrifice to us that prefer a bodiless rig but it iS JUST A SMALL inconvenience to get a much needed class and grow the sport as a whole.

And to take it further... Are you saying that if the class insists you run a body, you wouldn't run in it?
I think you would figure it out and enjoy yourself.

...page 6...

this one almost seem prophetic...:ror:

Ease up there cowboy! The fact is your support is needed and I am sure your opinions will be heard.

Actually it's a publicity issue...no publicity, no interest, no sponsors, no new blood.

Why people are so stuck on the bodied/bodiless thing baffles me. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY A NEW CHASSIS, just stick a body on it and call it good. Again I don't see how they wasted their money, just stick a body on it.

...still no enlightenment about what is going on with the ruling, yet plenty of chances...after page 7 starts, this thread is born...

 

[Highlucks]

I would like to see in the poll if people who voted even compete or would compete at a national level.

I Voted. I compete at a national level at home and in the U.S. "thumbsup"

 

[rock hard]

From page 4..



Tuck my tail and run? Ha, that's good, I have been doing this way longer than you, and most likely will be here doing it longer.

I know what the poll says, I can read. I have read this thread many times over now as well. I have talked with people nation wide and have seen what people like. And I voted that way. I have tried avoiding this thread because I knew what was going to happen, and dawm you guys did well. Any manufacturer that reads this probably thinks your all a bunch of whiny pansies.

I would like to see in the poll if people who voted even compete or would compete at a national level.

I do this for everyone, for fun, to make things bigger and better, and this is what I/we get. Sweet, I'm glad.

Happy Halloween people.

patric,I noticed in your posts in other places your "its all fun"
attitude.....sorry I mistook your post...and didnt catch your post on page 4.


but in all hoeslty

even if a had not been to a large comp,that does not mean my opinion matters less.....we was all noobs ot one time,and at some point none of use went to a comp.

this rule will affect my club to one degree or another...and if its for body only,,,it negative one driver from the start,a driver who would other wise be helping to get guys motivated and stoked about the next comp...same as he did for our 1.9 class....

there are guys in my club right now who have not been to as big comp.....but would like to....and if one is close enough...and the oprtunity arises where we can carpool,share motel...then they might.....and that is true for several people...and they are a LARGE portion of PATRONS of vendoors and this site.....I say thier opinnion absolutly should be considered heavily.

they want to attend,just havnt doen so yet for whatever reason it may be.

but pansies.....hmmm I call it justified distast,and natural frustration

 

[Stormin2u]

Norm, your sig cracks me up. "T1e shafty" it's personal for you. Just go back to your tvp and deal with it. Why aren't you in an moa yet? You know it's what all the cool kids are doing.

As for an adult...it's sarcasm. That's the last thing I say in my post...they're toy trucks.

The mob is angry...go occupy wall street?

:lmao:I have to stop laughing before I can type.

This is under control Fishmaxx and some other voting rules members have been on and commenting.

I've personally given my view as have you, We're on the record as being in different camps on this subject. That's what makes the world go round.

I have had a MOA for a long time, I was planning on running it next season with my grandson driving the sporty.

I will always love my 2.2 shafties, it's a special truck besides this hobby could use a boost right now and I'm all for that.

God Bless Occupy and God Bless America,,,,, Power to the people "thumbsup"

 

[helhedded]

I voted to keep bodiless rigs but I'll be happy either way!

 

[fred0000]

sorry 666, I have been following this thread from the begining and may have just forgoten your prior input there has been alot going on and I just thought you were just jumping in, I don't deny that I havn't been doing this long, and that I have yet to compete at any major event (doesn't mean that I don't want to) and as such I keep my rigs in compliance to the rules so maybe this doesn't affect me greatly in the short term but it does affect me and the people I crawl with.

 

[BigBaller]

sorry I have yet to compete at any major event (doesn't mean that I don't want to) and as such I keep my rigs in compliance to the rules so maybe this doesn't affect me greatly in the short term but it does affect me and the people I crawl with.

Only if you were going to EVER compete at a national level...wow, you all get it now? Let the adults talk and the kids listen. :lmao:

 

[EeePee]

Is that why its such a good read? There was alot of joking within that debate

That was a pretty good read, I laughed a lot. There was a lot of foretelling going on in there, as well. Funny how that happens.

 

[fred0000]

Only if you were going to EVER compete at a national level...wow, you all get it now? Let the adults talk and the kids listen. :lmao:

OOOOHHHHHH I get it, dropping the bodyless option in the sportsman class is to bring more new/novice people into the sport but the rule is only in affect at a national level... perfect sence, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

:shock:

I think I have achieved enlightenment. Maybe.

But it wasn't found here.

It was found here...

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/competitions/278287-sportsman-class-nationals.html

And I'm not thinking what you all think I'm thinking.

 

[Raceaholic]

I have been to several national events. And have never ran my Sportsman in any of them. Its been 2.2 1.9 and super. If there will be a Sportsman class at national events. Body or bodiless I will be ready to run."thumbsup"

 

[toyotax10]

There are only a few complaining here really. Those who are crying "save my cheater chassis" are people who haven't made it to many national events huh? Those of you who are loud typers should just let the adults make the rules here. The rest of you kids and newbies pay attention to the adults here...we're working. :lmao:...with toy trucks. 8)

I know,I know I said i wouldn't post again but....

Your a complete idiot!!!!!!

The "newbies" are the ones your trying to get competing at a national level...
Then you use the term in a derogatory context???

DUUUUUUUMBAAAAAAASSS!!!

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

So here's what I'm thinking....

To make the rules committee and Nat's handlers happy...No sportsman class at Nat's.

To make Sportsman drivers and vendors happy...make it a nationally recognized and regulated class, but leave the rules as they are.


Now for the details...

The people most interested in sportsman are those who either A) can't afford to go pro (noobs, financially strapped people who love the sport), B) love their shafties but hate competing against moa's, C) aren't serious enough to worry about whether or not they place well, and D) can't travel too far.

There are also those who do compete at a national level who enjoy sportsman, and thats fine, they have their place and are welcome to participate.

Like I said, we leave the current rules in place. There are far too many rigs set to run next season, too many new ones being built, and vendor support is already in place to make any detrimental changes.

Nat's is a big deal and a big investment. Both for the drivers, the sponsors, and the organizers. While it would be great to see a Sportsman type class there, I have to agree with what was said in the "sportsman class in nationals" thread about finding room, time, and enough drivers willing to make the trip to make it worthwhile. I personally do not see it happening, not right now anyway.

So we leave Sportsman to the local clubs and organizers. If they feel there is enough interest, let them hold regional comps. Integrate those into already existing comp schedules. Then, if they feel they can go further, let them have their own form of Nationals where again they would get folded into another, more centrally located event. I know some of you club leaders allow dig and moa in your sportsman classes, and thats all fine and well, but from regionals on up, national rules will apply.

This would give new drivers a reasonable goal to shoot for. I can totally see a noob working his way up to a regional event in one season. It is a reach, but still an achievable goal.

But what about the pro drivers? If they compete in another pro class, be it shafty or moa, their scores will not be factored into regional and national events. Meaning they can come and play all they want, but they will not be earned an invite to the big show. That takes pressure off of new and less capable drivers.

So we have rules we can live with, no added pressure on the Nat's committee, increased interest for newcomers, it promotes the sport, doesn't exclude any of our supporting vendors, and no pro drivers edging out budding competitors.

 

[toyotax10]

"thumbsup"

 

[krawlfreak]

10 pages of how the rules committee is the man holding back this class from being recognized and now you want it to be left at the club level....

What's the point of recognizing it then...we could just do nothing.

What a waste of time

 

[rock hard]

So here's what I'm thinking....

To make the rules committee and Nat's handlers happy...No sportsman class at Nat's.

To make Sportsman drivers happy...make it a nationally recognized and regulated class, but leave the rules as they are.


Now for the details...

The people most interested in sportsman are those who either A) can't afford to go pro (noobs, financially strapped people who love the sport), B) love their shafties but hate competing against moa's, C) aren't serious enough to worry about whether or not they place well, and D) can't travel too far.

There are also those who do compete at a national level who enjoy sportsman, and thats fine, they have their place and are welcome to participate.

Like I said, we leave the current rules in place. There are far too many rigs set to run next season, too many new ones being built, and vendor support is already in place to make any detrimental changes.

Nat's is a big deal and a big investment. Both for the drivers, the sponsors, and the organizers. While it would be great to see a Sportsman type class there, I have to agree with what was said in the "sportsman class in nationals" thread about finding room, time, and enough drivers willing to make the trip to make it worthwhile. I personally do not see it happening, not right now anyway.

So we leave Sportsman to the local clubs and organizers. If they feel there is enough interest, let them hold regional comps. Integrate those into already existing comp schedules. Then, if they feel they can go further, let them have their own form of Nationals where again they would get folded into another, more centrally located event. I know some of you club leaders allow dig and moa in your sportsman classes, and thats all fine and well, but from regionals on up, national rules will apply.

This would give new drivers a reasonable goal to shoot for. I can totally see a noob working his way up to a regional event in one season. It is a reach, but still an achievable goal.

But what about the pro drivers? If they compete in another pro class, be it shafty or moa, their scores will not be factored into regional and national events. Meaning they can come and play all they want, but they will not be earned an invite to the big show. That takes pressure off of new and less capable drivers.

So we have rules we can live with, no added pressure on the Nat's committee, increased interest for newcomers, it promotes the sport, and no pro drivers edging out budding competitors.

I strongly feel that for 2013 the futur of 1.9 could be in jeapordy for a couple of reasons.

I also feel that 1.9 class the best entry level/affordable class.
reason is cuz you can shoot for a local/state/national title

Could be the sportsman will grow in ## gradually as the 1.9 gradually fades.
so this class will be where these 1.9 drivers go for thier affordable fun
this is also the class your top die hard drivers will flock to that currently run 1.9

its more fun for alot of us driving another class while your already thier,especially when its a big comp
You have spent the money to compet in 2.2 pro.....you get more bang for your buck with another class.it makes the trip more worth it also as it increases you drive time/and chances of placing well.


so I want the sportsman to go big.....only issue anyone has is the chassis

I think violator said it simply enough over in the rules section.
that is exactly what we need

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

10 pages of how the rules committee is the man holding back this class from being recognized and now you want it to be left at the club level....

What's the point of recognizing it then...we could just do nothing.

What a waste of time

You said before I was being short sighted and didn't understand. I took that to heart and with an open mind went looking for the other side of the coin.

That's a waste? Would you rather me continue my stance of all or nothing and do or die no matter what?

And I don't recall asking for a spot for us at Nat's. I simply wanted our rules to be left as they were.

You could just leave it alone. You could say "yep, nothing wrong here". We were all more or less happy with the way things were going. If getting national recognition means more restrictions in this class then I think a good portion of us would rather you do leave it alone.

 

[krawlfreak]

I strongly feel that for 2013 the futur of 1.9 could be in jeapordy for a couple of reasons.

I also feel that 1.9 class the best entry level/affordable class.
reason is cuz you can shoot for a local/state/national title

Could be the sportsman will grow in ## gradually as the 1.9 gradually fades.
so this class will be where these 1.9 drivers go for thier affordable fun
this is also the class your top die hard drivers will flock to that currently run 1.9

its more fun for alot of us driving another class while your already thier,especially when its a big comp
You have spent the money to compet in 2.2 pro.....you get more bang for your buck with another class.it makes the trip more worth it also as it increases you drive time/and chances of placing well.


so I want the sportsman to go big.....only issue anyone has is the chassis

I think violator said it simply enough over in the rules section.
that is exactly what we need

Wow...

You must have slipped on the toilet and bumped your head because this is actually the smartest thing you have said yet...

This would be the hopeful alternative for 1.9 when it does go away, and with the lack of 1.9 support it undoubtedly will.

Maybe you are getting it.

I am proud of you"thumbsup"