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350jeepcj5 · 01-12-2009, 04:06 PM

I am so disgusted with my axial, i try to follow everyones good ideas on here and it never work right, i went out yesterday and it doesnt seem like its got the flex that everyone else on here has, maybe its just me, im gonna post up some pics of my setup and can some of you guys maybe tell me what im goin wrong, or how to make it better, more flex and more traction?

Specs:
Axial ARTR
Rear Foams Cut with hammers and weight
Front Memfoam
The rest you can see.

I hate to sound whiny but there is some money invested in this and id like it to work, you know?

wojin · 01-12-2009, 04:12 PM

pics dont really show anything. the suspension guys are gonna want to see side shots showing where the links are mounted and their angle.also looks like you mad your own 4link mount, show a better shot of that too.

are you trying to get more flex(if so why) or control it better? having problems with torque twist? ect...

wojin · 01-12-2009, 04:13 PM

also, what springs and shock oil?

350jeepcj5 · 01-12-2009, 04:14 PM

My tourqe twist is ok, fixed that with the 4link, it just seems stiff to me, wont articulate, not necesarily looking for more travel just smoother travel.

Stock shocks with soft springs, not sure on the weight of the oil

samb. · 01-12-2009, 04:15 PM

weight the front rims not the rears, lighter weight springs will help to

cato · 01-12-2009, 04:21 PM

Go back through thread and find some older stock axial set-up or builds. The stock springs are "WAY" stiff and too long. Limit the travel(i originaly put the black exterior limitors under the piston to limit the length) White Losi spring in frt/and rt rear. Can use stocker and heavier oil in lft rear.

look around and see what others are doing, you'll have to go back prob to find stock set-ups. Have fun, takes a while to get it right

BEAU · 01-12-2009, 04:27 PM

cleaning your tires will help with traction,,,, hammer are not that good unless you cut the foams a little (u shape the outside)

quickster47 · 01-12-2009, 04:27 PM

What exactly are you really trying to accomplish with your rig? Are you going to do competitions, trail runs, weekend bashing at the quarry, out crawling your neighbor?

Carl

350jeepcj5 · 01-12-2009, 04:29 PM

I have soft (white) springs front and rear, with the limiters inside.

350jeepcj5 · 01-12-2009, 04:30 PM

I would like to beable to do rock crawling, and weekend bashing.

350jeepcj5 · 01-12-2009, 04:33 PM

Maybe some better pictures...

I was semi following 4rnrricks thread here-Standard issue: Black/Green Bug Ax-10- to clear up my tourqe twist and 4 link.

350jeepcj5 · 01-12-2009, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BEAU

cleaning your tires will help with traction,,,, hammer are not that good unless you cut the foams a little (u shape the outside)

They were clean, lol

cato · 01-12-2009, 04:42 PM

Shorten the rear upper links/ try to make the rear Ramp angle simmilar to the front.

downtown · 01-12-2009, 04:45 PM

It looks like your ESC and wires will hit your chassis stay if it tries to flex or articulate.

cartronicshn · 01-12-2009, 04:49 PM

Is your antenna wire tightly wound on that chassis brace?

southernextreme · 01-12-2009, 04:51 PM

i had close to the same prob!

what i see is the following:
rear axle, is clocked upwards WAY too much, the drive shaft pinion is pointing upward a long way. you want your pinion angle to point slight up, but only by a couple of degree's.
the rear four link upper's are not equal (square to the axle)
this will make it walk to one side)
on the rear links the ant. wire is rapped too tight on the cross brace.
and also on the four link.. upper links where the attatch to the frame. need to remove the orange spacer's

Same with the front pinion, it does not look nearly as bad as the front,

just my .02 cents, as i too had very close to the same issues...

Deezul · 01-12-2009, 04:52 PM

the 4link looks messed up but i could be wrong...the uppers look like they bind and are too long. , get softer springs, and that antenna wire shouldnt be like that

TONKA TOY · 01-12-2009, 04:57 PM

Your pinion angle on the rear is a little much, try to shorten the upper links just a hair.

As far as your 4-link set up...... the rear upper links look good. The front upper links need to be more parrallell to the ground instead of angled downward like the lower links. The key to a good 4-link set up is to keep your upper links as flat and parallell to the ground as possible. Your lower links can and need to be angled like that but it is not a good idea for the uppers. And also change your springs to some losi white and yellows, that will help out alot also.

I couldnt find the thread but someone did a killer write up on squat and anti-squat and also 4-link set ups. It is a long lengthy thread but well worth the read. It confused me a lil bit at first until I started playin with different set ups.

All of the suspension tech on these things are all about trial and error and driver preferance. You can get it damn close to perfect the first try, but there is always room for improvement. If you need more mounting points for links or shocks..... drill new holes.

BILLYGOAT · 01-12-2009, 05:00 PM

you might make sure that those zip ties on the top links are loose too. that can limit it as well. and the shorten the top links is great advice as well. hope that helps.

350jeepcj5 · 01-12-2009, 05:01 PM

Ok, fixed the antenna wire, noob mistake, im thinking if i remove the orange spacers from the 4 link it will bid because the links are too close to the chassis, and i do see now that the links lengthwise are slightly different on the axle. do you guys think i should just do away witht he 4-link altogether? any other options?

01-12-2009, 04:06 PM	#1
350jeepcj5 Rock Stacker Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Street Posts: 88	Disgusted. I am so disgusted with my axial, i try to follow everyones good ideas on here and it never work right, i went out yesterday and it doesnt seem like its got the flex that everyone else on here has, maybe its just me, im gonna post up some pics of my setup and can some of you guys maybe tell me what im goin wrong, or how to make it better, more flex and more traction? Specs: Axial ARTR Rear Foams Cut with hammers and weight Front Memfoam The rest you can see. I hate to sound whiny but there is some money invested in this and id like it to work, you know? Last edited by 350jeepcj5; 01-12-2009 at 04:11 PM. Reason: picture size

01-12-2009, 04:14 PM	#4
350jeepcj5 Rock Stacker Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Street Posts: 88	My tourqe twist is ok, fixed that with the 4link, it just seems stiff to me, wont articulate, not necesarily looking for more travel just smoother travel. Stock shocks with soft springs, not sure on the weight of the oil Last edited by 350jeepcj5; 01-12-2009 at 04:16 PM.

01-12-2009, 04:33 PM	#11
350jeepcj5 Rock Stacker Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Street Posts: 88	Maybe some better pictures... I was semi following 4rnrricks thread here-Standard issue: Black/Green Bug Ax-10- to clear up my tourqe twist and 4 link. Last edited by 350jeepcj5; 01-12-2009 at 04:35 PM.

01-12-2009, 04:51 PM	#16
southernextreme Rock Stacker Join Date: May 2008 Location: lake mary Posts: 50	i had close to the same prob! what i see is the following: rear axle, is clocked upwards WAY too much, the drive shaft pinion is pointing upward a long way. you want your pinion angle to point slight up, but only by a couple of degree's. the rear four link upper's are not equal (square to the axle) this will make it walk to one side) on the rear links the ant. wire is rapped too tight on the cross brace. and also on the four link.. upper links where the attatch to the frame. need to remove the orange spacer's Same with the front pinion, it does not look nearly as bad as the front, just my .02 cents, as i too had very close to the same issues... Last edited by southernextreme; 01-12-2009 at 04:55 PM.

01-12-2009, 04:12 PM	#2
wojin Rock Crawler Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lemont, IL Posts: 551	pics dont really show anything. the suspension guys are gonna want to see side shots showing where the links are mounted and their angle.also looks like you mad your own 4link mount, show a better shot of that too. are you trying to get more flex(if so why) or control it better? having problems with torque twist? ect...

01-12-2009, 04:13 PM	#3
wojin Rock Crawler Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lemont, IL Posts: 551	also, what springs and shock oil?

01-12-2009, 04:15 PM	#5
samb. Rock Stacker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: louisville, Ky Posts: 77	weight the front rims not the rears, lighter weight springs will help to

01-12-2009, 04:21 PM	#6
cato RCC Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: WHEAT RIDGE, CO Posts: 1,102	Go back through thread and find some older stock axial set-up or builds. The stock springs are "WAY" stiff and too long. Limit the travel(i originaly put the black exterior limitors under the piston to limit the length) White Losi spring in frt/and rt rear. Can use stocker and heavier oil in lft rear. look around and see what others are doing, you'll have to go back prob to find stock set-ups. Have fun, takes a while to get it right

01-12-2009, 04:27 PM	#7
BEAU Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: H D Posts: 197	cleaning your tires will help with traction,,,, hammer are not that good unless you cut the foams a little (u shape the outside)

01-12-2009, 04:27 PM	#8
quickster47 Quarry Creeper Join Date: May 2005 Location: Crossville,TN Posts: 363	What exactly are you really trying to accomplish with your rig? Are you going to do competitions, trail runs, weekend bashing at the quarry, out crawling your neighbor? Carl

01-12-2009, 04:29 PM	#9
350jeepcj5 Rock Stacker Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Street Posts: 88	I have soft (white) springs front and rear, with the limiters inside.

01-12-2009, 04:30 PM	#10
350jeepcj5 Rock Stacker Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Street Posts: 88	I would like to beable to do rock crawling, and weekend bashing.

01-12-2009, 04:42 PM	#13
cato RCC Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: WHEAT RIDGE, CO Posts: 1,102	Shorten the rear upper links/ try to make the rear Ramp angle simmilar to the front.

01-12-2009, 04:45 PM	#14
downtown Quarry Creeper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: on the edge Posts: 320	It looks like your ESC and wires will hit your chassis stay if it tries to flex or articulate.

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01-12-2009, 04:49 PM	#15
cartronicshn I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2006 Location: HONDURAS...ROCK HEAVEN Posts: 5,076	Is your antenna wire tightly wound on that chassis brace?

01-12-2009, 04:52 PM	#17
Deezul RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ccxc Posts: 1,176	the 4link looks messed up but i could be wrong...the uppers look like they bind and are too long. , get softer springs, and that antenna wire shouldnt be like that

01-12-2009, 04:57 PM	#18
TONKA TOY Quarry Creeper Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Northern PA where the rocks grow wild Posts: 418	Your pinion angle on the rear is a little much, try to shorten the upper links just a hair. As far as your 4-link set up...... the rear upper links look good. The front upper links need to be more parrallell to the ground instead of angled downward like the lower links. The key to a good 4-link set up is to keep your upper links as flat and parallell to the ground as possible. Your lower links can and need to be angled like that but it is not a good idea for the uppers. And also change your springs to some losi white and yellows, that will help out alot also. I couldnt find the thread but someone did a killer write up on squat and anti-squat and also 4-link set ups. It is a long lengthy thread but well worth the read. It confused me a lil bit at first until I started playin with different set ups. All of the suspension tech on these things are all about trial and error and driver preferance. You can get it damn close to perfect the first try, but there is always room for improvement. If you need more mounting points for links or shocks..... drill new holes.

01-12-2009, 05:00 PM	#19
BILLYGOAT RCC Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: RAMBLIN Posts: 1,713	you might make sure that those zip ties on the top links are loose too. that can limit it as well. and the shorten the top links is great advice as well. hope that helps.

01-12-2009, 05:01 PM	#20
350jeepcj5 Rock Stacker Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Street Posts: 88	Ok, fixed the antenna wire, noob mistake, im thinking if i remove the orange spacers from the 4 link it will bid because the links are too close to the chassis, and i do see now that the links lengthwise are slightly different on the axle. do you guys think i should just do away witht he 4-link altogether? any other options?

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