Wraith Knuckles on SCX???

[johnfm3]

Ok, so I stumbled on this axle at the cost of $160 completely setup. Its Hot Racing.

Hot Racing Axial SCX-10 Scale Truck RC Car upgrades and Hop-ups

Thoughts?
John

[alpine4x4]

Originally Posted by johnfm3

Ok, so I stumbled on this axle at the cost of $160 completely setup. Its Hot Racing.

Hot Racing Axial SCX-10 Scale Truck RC Car upgrades and Hop-ups

Thoughts?
John

Will not increase steering. It's just aluminum upgrades of stock stuff.

Best way is what was mentioned before, doing the XR mod. XR/Wraith Chubs, Wraith Knuckles, Beef Tubes (homemade or bought), XR universals and some time. Add an overdrive to the front and it is even better. You can use the plastic knuckles and chubs too. They were designed to go on a 2.2 rig and are plenty strong. If you do break one dont feel forced into buying VP. Stuffs nice, but too expensive for my blood new.

[johnfm3]

Thanks for the response. The XR mod (as I am learning its called) you an those before have expressed is where I am really pointing. Being a NOOB, I am making sure I look at all my options. I saw this one an figured that its probably about the same cost as going the XR mod route only I get a completely new axle.

Have you heard anything about the product? Whether its crap or just inexpensive decent quality product.

John

[alpine4x4]

Originally Posted by johnfm3

Thanks for the response. The XR mod (as I am learning its called) you an those before have expressed is where I am really pointing. Being a NOOB, I am making sure I look at all my options. I saw this one an figured that its probably about the same cost as going the XR mod route only I get a completely new axle.

Have you heard anything about the product? Whether its crap or just inexpensive decent quality product.

John

HR stuff seems to be hit or miss, I personally only have their steel transmission gears and they are working great for me. That axle setup is just aluminum variations of stock components. The only thing you gain is rigidity, no increased steering or caster. Aluminum bites on rocks as well and that housing wont slide over them as well as plastic.

XR Mod
Narrow XR10 mod to Axial axles

I'm starting mine this week. I got XR uni's, plastic chubs and knuckles, OD gears, and some steel 1/8" pipe nipples to use as beef tubes. The pipe nipples just need cut and drilled/tapped, perfect OD already and WAY cheaper than buying aftermarket. I'm under $90 for this mod if all of it was bought (some was gifted for my birthday).

[Badd]

I modded my tubes and did a narrow mod (same width as stock axle) to mine .
Badd's JYD build

[alpine4x4]

Originally Posted by Badd

I modded my tubes and did a narrow mod (same width as stock axle) to mine .
Badd's JYD build

I will also be doing the "narrow" mod to keep as close to stock width as possible. I have to keep the tires in tight to be legal for Class 2 scale comps.

[johnfm3]

So I looked at the factory axial alum upgrade parts including the axle shafts. Looks like $110 plus tax an shipping. No I don't get increased steering. But I do get the strength I am looking for. I am still toying around with next winter setting up a partial (1/3) rear steer which can be turned on an off via the remote.

Way too many options. I am not set up to handle small machining such as the burly tubes would require. Which means added cost in small drill, drill bits, an tap. Burly tubes would be a easier choice if they would sell them pre drilled for stock. Use VP 8* C-Hubs, an away I would go. I am not impressed with RCBro's customer service so far. No way to call them, an they have not responded to my email which I sent via the form. I will give VP that, at least I had a person to talk to when I had questions about a possible purchase. That in its self is worth a little extra cost.

John

[STANG KILLA SS]

Originally Posted by johnfm3

I am assuming that this is the Burly Tubes, XR C-Hubs, Wraith Knuckles? What was it I was suppose to grab the axle shafts from?

An you said about 1 inch. That kind of make sense to me since each side of the axle added about 1/2 inch of length with the burly tube. I just was sure if the knuckle/c-hub assembly was narrower to offset the added length of the burly tube.

John

correct. axle shafts are XR10 stock universals.

yeah the tubes add about 1" (1/2" per side) but the knuckles/Cs also add about .1" per side vs the SCX knuckles/Cs

[Shinjari]

Originally Posted by johnfm3

I am assuming that this is the Burly Tubes, XR C-Hubs, Wraith Knuckles? What was it I was suppose to grab the axle shafts from?

An you said about 1 inch. That kind of make sense to me since each side of the axle added about 1/2 inch of length with the burly tube. I just was sure if the knuckle/c-hub assembly was narrower to offset the added length of the burly tube.

John

XR10 universals are what you're looking for.

If you go with the standard wide burly tubes, then you dont have to cut the xr10 shafts and you gain about 1/2" on each side like mentioned.

If you go with the narrow burly tubes, then you have to cut the xr10 shafts which will only widen the rig about 1/4" per side.

Replace the plastic for now, drive it and learn your rig. it'll help in the decision process later

[johnfm3]

Thanks to everyone who has provided advice an input on this. It looks like the biggest battle I am facing is myself being a NOOB in the scale arena. Probably the best thing to do is fix my rig to running again, an run it to see where my short comings are an then build to correct the short comings. I have this thread to come back to again to look over the options. At least I wont have to ask the same question over again... lol

More to come. I think a build thread is needed to start documenting this rig. Keep everyone posted.

John

[RcBro]

I'm sorry our customer service has been lacking? I haven't seen a pm from you, but would be happy to help. We are having some issues with our emails. I play with toy cars and haven't the slightest clue how to do website stuff so I was at the mercy of having to wait. I believe everything is working now.

We are working on getting several axial housing in stock to offer the mods already done. Please keep in mind, RcBros is by no means full time. So i'm limited to weekend and evenings when my work actually lets me be home lol.

[alpine4x4]

Originally Posted by RcBro

I'm sorry our customer service has been lacking? I haven't seen a pm from you, but would be happy to help. We are having some issues with our emails. I play with toy cars and haven't the slightest clue how to do website stuff so I was at the mercy of having to wait. I believe everything is working now.

We are working on getting several axial housing in stock to offer the mods already done. Please keep in mind, RcBros is by no means full time. So i'm limited to weekend and evenings when my work actually lets me be home lol.

If I wasnt a cheap wad these are tubes I would run. Skinny brass splined burly tubes, lots of weight up front and the splining option is sick

[johnfm3]

Originally Posted by RcBro

I'm sorry our customer service has been lacking? I haven't seen a pm from you, but would be happy to help. We are having some issues with our emails. I play with toy cars and haven't the slightest clue how to do website stuff so I was at the mercy of having to wait. I believe everything is working now.

We are working on getting several axial housing in stock to offer the mods already done. Please keep in mind, RcBros is by no means full time. So i'm limited to weekend and evenings when my work actually lets me be home lol.

No Worries. I sent a PM explaining. I wish you the best an will be keeping an eye on your product as I like the concept. At this time, its out of my skill an tool set.

Like I said in the PM, your product has had a lot of support from members on this forum.

Thanks for the response.
John

[Calderwood]

Originally Posted by johnfm3

No Worries. I sent a PM explaining. I wish you the best an will be keeping an eye on your product as I like the concept. At this time, its out of my skill an tool set.

Like I said in the PM, your product has had a lot of support from members on this forum.

Thanks for the response.
John

If tubes are aren't an option for you and you don't beat on your truck you can do the narrow xr mod without tubes.

[alpine4x4]

Originally Posted by johnfm3

So I looked at the factory axial alum upgrade parts including the axle shafts. Looks like $110 plus tax an shipping. No I don't get increased steering. But I do get the strength I am looking for. I am still toying around with next winter setting up a partial (1/3) rear steer which can be turned on an off via the remote.

Way too many options. I am not set up to handle small machining such as the burly tubes would require. Which means added cost in small drill, drill bits, an tap. Burly tubes would be a easier choice if they would sell them pre drilled for stock. Use VP 8* C-Hubs, an away I would go. I am not impressed with RCBro's customer service so far. No way to call them, an they have not responded to my email which I sent via the form. I will give VP that, at least I had a person to talk to when I had questions about a possible purchase. That in its self is worth a little extra cost.

John

I just use a Ryobi hand drill, everyone should have one in his house anyway, so many uses! Drill bits are cheap, M3 tap cost me $7, all my other "machining" was done the hard way with a $10 hacksaw from Ace, a Leatherman, and a $15 file set I already had for reaming and shaping cork fishing rod grips. I'll eventually get a Dremel, but theres budget friendly ways to do it.

Cutting and making cheap beef tubes was the easy part, screw up and it's not much to replace. Axle housings are cheap too. The part that had me puckering was cutting and filing the $40 uni's, but go slow and be precise and you shouldnt have any issues. I've only been in RC for a little over 1-1/2 months. I could have invested the $40 I spent in stock aluminum replacements and bought a Dremel and done it right to start, but I'm a glutton for punishment.

[fr8cture]

gotta have a dremel. I use it almost as much as I do hex drivers. lol

[johnfm3]

My tool set is for 1:1 rigs. Cutting torch, welder, air compressor, air tools such, 18v Ryobi drill. Give me time, after I get some things taken care of I will own the tools needed for this as well. It will probably be this coming winter.

[onecool54@yahoo]

I use wideners from RC4WD and use all different types of aluminum products found on eBay. I haven't had any thing fail as of yet.


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[johnfm3]

So I ended up going with STRC SCX c-hubs an knuckles for now. The fit was ok. I am thinking of using some shrink wrap on the bolts which attach the knuckle to the c-hub to see if I can take up some of the play between the bolt an the king pin bushing (Axial Flange Pipe). Other wise I am stoked to get my SCX back on the road. On another thread I have I have started going over idea's for links. I think its time to start a build thread on this rig. Document from the beginning how it started till now.

John