CMS/Panhard benefits?

[Brandon]

Originally Posted by saydee1800

Then why promote Panhard benefits?

Yes the servo on the axle doesn't look great or scale. But the jacked up Drag Link it uses kills the steering throw.

I am still stuck on how this Panhard looks more scale if that is what there trying to feed.


People waste a lot of hard earn money on this stuff. If it work better so be it.

Your stuck because you aren't listening. Its more scale in my opinion because the servo isn't on the axle...

Steering throw isn't affected. I running universals and I have full throw left/right with the CMS and panhard. This stays true through the cycle of the suspension.

I completely agree that most 1:1's run a 4 link suspension. However, some types of 4 link suspensions still require a panhard to locate the axle (stock jeep, non triangulated). Unless you are running hydraulic steering a triangulated 4 link will only bind the suspension if you try to run it with a panhard parallel to the drag link to eliminate bump steer.

So with the current options available for the Wraith we have 2 choices.

CMS 3-link with a panhard to remove the servo from the axle.

or...

Stock Triangulated 4-link with the servo on the axle.

Both with their own pro's and con's.

[666]

Originally Posted by Brandon

Your stuck because you aren't listening.

He has that problem often.

[Harley]

Originally Posted by 666

He has that problem often.

Due to a huge lack of comprehension capabilities.

[sally1800]

Originally Posted by Brandon

Your stuck because you aren't listening. Its more scale in my opinion because the servo isn't on the axle...

Steering throw isn't affected. I running universals and I have full throw left/right with the CMS and panhard. This stays true through the cycle of the suspension.

I completely agree that most 1:1's run a 4 link suspension. However, some types of 4 link suspensions still require a panhard to locate the axle (stock jeep, non triangulated). Unless you are running hydraulic steering a triangulated 4 link will only bind the suspension if you try to run it with a panhard parallel to the drag link to eliminate bump steer.

So with the current options available for the Wraith we have 2 choices.

CMS 3-link with a panhard to remove the servo from the axle.

or...

Stock Triangulated 4-link with the servo on the axle.

Both with their own pro's and con's.

Yes with the stock wraith chassis you are right. Of course you will get full throw with a huge oz servo, but working it much more than needed. I think RC4wd system look like a better choice because of the bent drag link.

I have never been a fan of the three link. Maybe I just got use to this so called bump steer. It seemed that you where throwing a buy it commercial to the public. Maybe since you get it free.


But again thanks for making it very clear that this will not help with performance.

[brazwewn]

This seems to have gotten way off from the original questions, as I understand it. Is there a benefit to running the kit and why do I still have bump steer. My 2 cents. The pan hard and steering link need to be the same length, same angle when viewed from the front and top. The angle when viewed from the front cannot be too steep. If you get this right there is very little bump steer. as far as benefits, you can hide the servo! Of course you can hide the servo without doing this. It just means you live with bump steer.

Wes

[sally1800]

Originally Posted by brazwewn

This seems to have gotten way off from the original questions, as I understand it. Is there a benefit to running the kit and why do I still have bump steer. My 2 cents. The pan hard and steering link need to be the same length, same angle when viewed from the front and top. The angle when viewed from the front cannot be too steep. If you get this right there is very little bump steer. as far as benefits, you can hide the servo! Of course you can hide the servo without doing this. It just means you live with bump steer.

Wes

Yes

If you turn your shock mount over or run shorter shock you should be fine.

[Brandon]

Originally Posted by Brandon

No performance benefits, just looks. In some cases it may perform worse.

Post up some pics, we can help you with the bump-steer you are having.

Originally Posted by saydee1800

Yes with the stock wraith chassis you are right. Of course you will get full throw with a huge oz servo, but working it much more than needed. I think RC4wd system look like a better choice because of the bent drag link.

I have never been a fan of the three link. Maybe I just got use to this so called bump steer. It seemed that you where throwing a buy it commercial to the public. Maybe since you get it free.


But again thanks for making it very clear that this will not help with performance.

I quoted the very first reply to this thread by me. Read it again, maybe you overlooked it the first time?

Also you may want to re-think the bent drag link vs. straight drag link. If they are connecting 2 points in the same exact locations they are going to do the same exact thing. Make sense?

[sally1800]

Originally Posted by Brandon

Also you may want to re-think the bent drag link vs. straight drag link. If they are connecting 2 points in the same exact locations they are going to do the same exact thing. Make sense?

Your right your first post was very clear.

Yes I would have to try. I think that angle with the stock shock seams really tough to work with. When I tried rear steer on to the Pirate 4x4 until I lowered the servo it was weak.

It came down to the angle it was pushing or pulling @

[Harley]

Originally Posted by saydee1800

I think RC4wd system look like a better choice because of the bent drag link.

The shape of the drag link has no effect what so ever. You're talking outside of your knowledge range again...

The reason they did that was because of trying to keep the rod ends within their range of motion. This is due to their design. Thats not needed on the VP kit. Both kits do the same thing.

[meffie]

Originally Posted by DiEzel

Is this real life ?

Apparently...

Originally Posted by 666

What was the outcome of this pic? Looks like if you went any further.....It could be bad?

Nope drove right out of it

Originally Posted by saydee1800

Then why promote Panhard benefits?

Yes the servo on the axle doesn't look great or scale. But the jacked up Drag Link it uses kills the steering throw.

I am still stuck on how this Panhard looks more scale if that is what there trying to feed but posting a picture of a 1:1 with 4 link.


People waste a lot of hard earn money on this stuff. If it work better so be it.



So true. But the $40-$60 that people are wasting is.

Who's promoting? I personally didn't say anything about buying or not buying the kit. Get your story straight

Jacked up Draglink? I get full throw out of mine, I said this before, I'll say it again, you need to tune your setup

Wasting $50? First off it's more than $50 for the whole setup.

2nd...Really? Common we play with toy cars, honestly...Some of us have thousands of $$$ tied up in single vehicles...We do this because we LOVE to do it. We do this to mimic 1:1's. There is no such thing as wasting money on something you love to get it the way you want whether or not it's functional.

I said it before, I'll say it again. If you don't like the setup, don't want to spend the $$ on it, then DON'T, it's that simple

[meffie]

I re-read your comment on asking if I was 4 link. You said my rig, not my wraith. So just to clarify my 1:1 is 4 link. My Wraith is 3-Link w/ VP CMS and Panhard.

[Agama]

I have had a hard time getting full throw, out of this rig on the front. The rear steer, three linked, panhard, chassis mounted servo has always worked perfect. It's close to being perfect. I haven't worried about it too much, having 4 wheel steering. On my Wraith with servo on the axle, seems to work a little better.


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[DiEzel]

Originally Posted by saydee1800

So true. But the $40-$60 that people are wasting is.

Again, You didnt get it... LOL.. Common trend apparently.

[meffie]

Originally Posted by DiEzel

Again, You didnt get it... LOL.. Common trend apparently.

Nope they don't.

If I wanna spend $400 on a Tijuana stripper named Ralph who has an adams apple, a donkey and a can of silly string, what does anyone else care? It's my money to waste

[rc's suck]

I have a question why not use the CMS with no panhard and 4 link?


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[Harley]

Originally Posted by rc's suck

I have a question why not use the CMS with no panhard and 4 link?


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Because you will get a lot of bump steer as well as chassis roll when steering.

[sally1800]

Originally Posted by Harley

Because you will get a lot of bump steer as well as chassis roll when steering.

Have you ever tried using a firmer spring on one side to help with the roll?

[johnnyh66]

Originally Posted by meffie

Nope they don't.

If I wanna spend $400 on a Tijuana stripper named Ralph who has an adams apple, a donkey and a can of silly string, what does anyone else care? It's my money to waste

PETA might care

[Agama]

I might try a VP mount on the front. Does anyone know if it will fit on a RC4WD housing? I think the problem I'm having is my three link being short and steep angle, can't get the steering link a the same angle. ? Ideas?

[Draggermirage]

Originally Posted by saydee1800

Have you ever tried using a firmer spring on one side to help with the roll?

Band-aid on a broken leg.

Fix the problem, not the symptom.