Krawl's "SECRET AGENT" turned "DOUBLE AGENT"

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by HTRDDZL

I am surprised that the Violater hasn't referenced to any comparisons? He's usually pretty quick....
I thought there was already a build thread on that rig.... Del Monte's XR10 Build #1

I think you're missing a bit of information about this situation....

[krawlfreak]

Originally Posted by HTRDDZL

I am surprised that the Violater hasn't referenced to any comparisons? He's usually pretty quick....
I thought there was already a build thread on that rig.... Del Monte's XR10 Build #1

oh...wait,

your from utah

and i assure you that you might not want entice him to start putting folks in their place!

the chassis are nothing alike, if the side profile is what your trying to refer to, try this on for size.

its funny, yet sickening to me when i am at a comp and cant tell the difference between my chassis and others....

like i said i will have picks up soon.

[TC09mini]

I've not had one of these Secret Agent's in hand, but I can assure you guys that its different for CDW's chassis. CDW doesn't hold the patent on a low slung chassis. Anyone is welcome to design one. Why does it seem Krawl is constantly under attack and there is a ton of bickering about who came up with what first. Go back and look at who was around first. Why don't you guys search Krawl's thread history and compare them to the imitators. The dates speak for themselves.

And for those of you who think I'm defending a friend, I've never even met the guy, just an active observer on RCCrawler.

[Nabil]

The tall cab is what is throwing everyone off. Jake, Rob, and I talked a bunch about possible cab designs for the rt. The big thing is that with such a low profile chassis you end up having to design a 2"+ tall cab just to meet legal dimensions. That is where most of the similarity comes from. I know Rob and Jake sent me multiple different cab designs and I replied to all of them "too pope mobile-ish". I personally think Jeremy did a great job with this getting the proportions to look right. Once everyone can look past the general shape, there are a lot if cool features he incorporated into it.

[HTRDDZL]

I am only going off general side profile like you stated. I have always known Krawl to be the inventor of the bodiles and know his level of design and product testing is second to none. I am a firm believer that people want what performs well.... So obviously people are going to make there own versions of chassis that work. I am not one to usually post or start anything (usually just search build threads for info) just was thinking visually I seen similarities. That being said take it how you want. I think it looks awesome and most likely performs better. I am sure you will lay down a beating in St. George as usual this month. Just was making an observation of side profiles.

[krawlfreak]

thanks TC and nabil.


here are some pics. this is mine using the 1/32" lower plate.
first off you will see the double sheared upper link monts. this adds extreme rigidity to the sub section.




the next thing was to get the standard 3.5 chassis to the legal length. i added doublers to all the shock mounting areas to strengthen the mounting surface while addid minimal weight.



and the true inspiration( no offense jake) to the cab design. it is no secret that the x-citer rolls over better than anything.

i minimized the roof area and it is the xact height i ran it on the standard 3.5 chassis.






individual pieces...kinda shitty pic.

[dude26]

Originally Posted by Nabil

"too pope mobile-ish"

that's what I think when I saw Jake's cab, and this one too...

I really don't like the look, but if it perform more than a BJ, why not
I'm a huge fan of the Beetlejuice, it perform really well and it look nice (I'm waiting my 4.2 ) but next step, maybe a secret bodyless

[ROWDY RACING]

NICE, DAMN I WANT ONE!

Don't let the haters get you down, long live YTC!

[krawlfreak]

Originally Posted by ROWDY RACING

Don't let the haters get you down, long live YTC!

tackle'n fuel!!

[4xFord]

Originally Posted by Nabil

"too pope mobile-ish".

I still remember at nats 2010 when we were ragging on eddies super and you coined that term....first thing I thought of also.

Oh ya and that means Jake and Jeremy must be copying Greg.

Super T1E Moonbuggy

[TURBOFEST]

Looks awesome Jeremy!

Originally Posted by 4xFord

I still remember at nats 2010 when we were ragging on eddies super and you coined that term....first thing I thought of also.

Oh ya and that means Jake and Jeremy must be copying Greg.

Super T1E Moonbuggy

God, that thing was ugly! LOL

[ittybitty]

Originally Posted by TURBOFEST

God, that thing was ugly! LOL

YES it was



Your chassis design elements and aesthetics are right on Jeremy

[4xFord]

Originally Posted by HTRDDZL

I am surprised that the Violater hasn't referenced to any comparisons? He's usually pretty quick....
I thought there was already a build thread on that rig.... Del Monte's XR10 Build #1

I just thought of a game that works for some that may help you.

First, try this to warm up.

Sesame Street: One of These Things - YouTube


Then answer the same question with these...

[TSK]

Individually, the pieces look odd (minus the main sideplate) but together they look "WOW"

Decisions decisions. buy one of these, or make something for the Chimp?

OR

Buy one of these AND make something for the Chump

[michael]

Originally Posted by 4xFord

I just thought of a game that works for some that may help you.

First, try this to warm up.

Sesame Street: One of These Things - YouTube


Then answer the same question with these...

[The Violator]

Originally Posted by HTRDDZL

I am surprised that the Violater hasn't referenced to any comparisons? He's usually pretty quick....
I thought there was already a build thread on that rig.... Del Monte's XR10 Build #1

I don't bother to read the Xr section. I look at chit chat, for sale, and maybe the berg section. Besides I have learned that the guys who copy other peoples work are going to do it even if they do look like douche bags to the rest of the country. I guess they are just utarded.

Originally Posted by krawlfreak

I don't hang out at your shop for a week and you go and do something like this. WHOOOO. I guess its like all parents think their kid is cute.







Proof not all kids are cute in case you were wondering. I am sure it works well, and I am also wondering when I need to drop my Berg off for you to update my car to this one. If you can't copy them, join them.

[The Violator]

Originally Posted by 4xFord

I just thought of a game that works for some that may help you.

First, try this to warm up.

Sesame Street: One of These Things - YouTube


Then answer the same question with these...

It comes down to there are only so many ways to cut delrin, or carbon fiber. The CC is a copy of the BJ. The BJ (along with everyone else) copied the T1E slanted skid. Of course the T1E Rockshow was a hole for hole copy of the Kamikaze 3.5. The CDW copied the stock Losi shock standoff, which I believe is a copy of the gatekeeper chassis, which CC copied to make its mini chassis. WTF.

I will say Krawl was the one I saw to bend his links all over the place. Now everyone does it. He went the extra mile with a machined skid on the OG BJ, and mini BJ. I know the skid has been copied, but at least not the mini skid ( I guess since the people whom copied the 2.2 skid copied someone elses 1.9 they did not need to copy the bj mini skid.)

It just comes down to driver, and who you like more. I live closest to Krawl. I get lots of BJ's, and run a BJ chassis. If I lived near Nabil, I would use one of his throw away chassis like Tom. If I lived in Utah I would......pack up my magic underwear and move. Its all personal preference.

[4xFord]

Originally Posted by The Violator

It comes down to there are only so many ways to cut delrin, or carbon fiber. The CC is a copy of the BJ. The BJ (along with everyone else) copied the T1E slanted skid. Of course the T1E Rockshow was a hole for hole copy of the Kamikaze 3.5. The CDW copied the stock Losi shock standoff, which I believe is a copy of the gatekeeper chassis, which CC copied to make its mini chassis. WTF.

I will say Krawl was the one I saw to bend his links all over the place. Now everyone does it. He went the extra mile with a machined skid on the OG BJ, and mini BJ. I know the skid has been copied, but at least not the mini skid ( I guess since the people whom copied the 2.2 skid copied someone elses 1.9 they did not need to copy the bj mini skid.)

It just comes down to driver, and who you like more. I live closest to Krawl. I get lots of BJ's, and run a BJ chassis. If I lived near Nabil, I would use one of his throw away chassis like Tom. If I lived in Utah I would......pack up my magic underwear and move. Its all personal preference.

I agree, just thought comparing this car to the chump r/t was a bit of a stretch. It is funny when you put in on a timeline like that though...

[HTRDDZL]

I will be honest and say my main basis for comparison was the original skunkworks chassis. I thought that chassis dimensions was similar to the chump. I agree that this newset version is more compact and lower slung. It was the addition of the cab that had me seeing "visual" similarities. The similarities "visually" seemed to be the original debate about chassis. Do they all C.C./BJ and Jakes rig/3.5 have visual similarities... I personally think YES. Do they all have various differences that make them unique YES.

[winkscrawler]

Enough already! Lets just see who can figure out how to drive these damn toy trucks on the rocks.

See you on the rocks.