GM killing off an iconic division

[soundcolor]

Yep. GM is a great company... GOOD JOB.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...46&ft=1&f=1006

[dirk379]

They anounced this yesterday to our GM Rep's and then to us.

When all said and done GM will only be Chevrolet and Cadillac.

[soundcolor]

Dont know if you heard, but most of Caddy is on a hiatus for awhile. They are gonna finish the run of CTS's for this year, and maybe for next year, but the DTS, STS are done for at least 5 years. The XLR is gone, and so are some of their SUV's. Not real sure on which ones. But I know some are.

[Skeeno]

I'm trying to think of a good model that Pontiac put out in the last 30 years and I am at a loss.

*puts on TransAm Fanboy Flame suit*

[soundcolor]

The new G8 GTP is killer. I got to drive one at an autoshow here in nashville. Awsome car. To little to late.
GM is the one responsible for pontiac being the way it is. Pontiac used to be GMs performance division. Then they started forcing them to build shitty cars, with shitty motors, and add scoops and flares and body cladding to make em more attractive. You can put makeup on a hooker but you can cover up her A.I.D.S.

God I hate GM


OH, and want another kick in the balls. By the end of this week, if chrysler hasnt signed a deal with fiat, its done.

Good ridance to them both. Thank good Ford aint tankin.

[Skeeno]

Isn't the G8 a rebadged OPEL?

And yes, when I think of Pontiac, I think of fugly body kits and cheap plastic interiors.

[Harley]

This was my prediction months ago. GM should only have Chevy and Caddy.

[4xFord]

Originally Posted by Harley0706

This was my prediction months ago. GM should only have Chevy and Caddy.

And GMC.

[soundcolor]

I have been doing some reading around, and it seems to me that most Japanese automakers operate like this. 1 regual brand and 1 luxury brand. In some cases you'll also find 1 bargain brand.
If you look at Toyota, (camry, corrola, prius, highlander, Rav4, Tundra, and Tacoma. I think thats all) Toyota is their regualr brand, Lexus (I'm not even sure of their linup) as their luxury brand, and scion (Xa Xb, TC) as their bargain brand.

Nissan has infinity
Ford has lincold
works well for them

Lets look at GM. Theres, GMC, Chevy, Caddy, Saturn, Buick, Saab, Hummer and Pontiac. They have more nameplates than I can remeber. And they all compete with themselves.

Nissan doesnt compete with Infinity, Toyota doesnt compete with Lexus, Ford doesnt compete with lincoln.

and now that there killing off pontiac, hummer saturn GMC (probably) and saab. What does that leave them with. Chevy, Caddy, and Buick. Ummm, isnt Buick supposed to be a higher end car than chevy... So what does that make Caddy. A super car, ultra luxury division. Sorry, if I had the cash for a ultra lux car, the last thing I'd buy would be a caddy.

GM's stupidity runs deep

[Focus07]

GM will also go to a name change from General Motors to Government Motors.

[dirk379]

They need to take the decent vehicles getting killed off and put bowties on them and add them to their line up.

[soundcolor]

^^^ their not smart enough for that

[Skeeno]

Originally Posted by dirk379

They need to take the decent vehicles getting killed off and put bowties on them and add them to their line up.

I never understood why they made one vehicle and sold it as three or four different models.

[binaryterror]

Originally Posted by Skeeno

Isn't the G8 a rebadged OPEL?

Its a Holden from Australia, so was the GTO re-release before the G8.

Originally Posted by 4xFord

And GMC.

Name 1 GMC model that isn't just a slight design change and re-work over another Chevy vehicle...I dare you to find one!

The problem is they have for the last 2 decades just re-badged on the same platform. Why compete with yourself when you are losing business to completely different companys (enter Foreign auto makers and the other 2 in the US).

[engineerjoe]

if GM had filed bankruptcy back last fall when they were begging for $$$$$$$$$'s they would have already got rid of the UAW, restructured and be making money again.

leave it up to the gov't to mess things up.

[RPMJ]

Originally Posted by engineerjoe

if GM had filed bankruptcy back last fall when they were begging for $$$$$$$$$'s they would have already got rid of the UAW, restructured and be making money again.

leave it up to the gov't to mess things up.

Amen Joe!!

[Skeeno]

I thought I was going to get flame by fanboys telling me how great the Transvan, GrandAm, and GrandPrix were, but I see that most of us agree that they were all terrible cars.

[Harley]

Originally Posted by soundcolor

Nissan has infinity
Ford has lincold
works well for them

Ummm Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Volvo.....

Ford and Mercury most certainly have similar/same cars. And for that matter Lincoln has even has some vehicles that compete.

[JasonInAugusta]

Originally Posted by Skeeno

I thought I was going to get flame by fanboys telling me how great the Transvan, GrandAm, and GrandPrix were, but I see that most of us agree that they were all terrible cars.

Along with the Aztek

[TOYUTAH]

Originally Posted by Harley0706

Ummm Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Volvo.....

Ford and Mercury most certainly have similar/same cars. And for that matter Lincoln has even has some vehicles that compete.

dont forgt jaguar too ;) and i personally like that gmc and chevy trucks are similar, I love their truck platform but I loved the gmc front end compared to the chevy so i bought the gm where as my buddy loved the chevy front end. I think the stupid unions are more to blame than their lineup.