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Just Zach · 03-11-2008, 12:55 PM

This is more aimed towards 1.9

After Kaetwo, PinchFlat, and I ran stock RC4WD tires last weekend in St. George we all decided that we love them and would like to run them at the Comp. But, we also hate to be at a big disadvantage.

No they don't hook up quite as well as a Proline or Losi tire but that's a huge part of the fun and they look amazing!

I just want to see what you guys would think about running unmodified or uncut tires there.

If I'm stepping on toes let me know and the thread will be gone.

I just don't want to take these off

grover · 03-11-2008, 01:00 PM

I plan to run those RC4wd 1.9 tires uncut and unmodified on my 1.9(they are ordered) wrapping some new RC4wd beadlocks. I plan to run the losi tires uncut and unmodified on the 2.2 wrapping some sick VF assassins.

I believe that Ben has the right idea by allowing the cut down 2.2 in the 1.9 class while also giving bonus deductions for the stock unmodified tires.

Chad-

FrankyRizzo · 03-11-2008, 01:13 PM

I think that they should be un mod'ed but with Aces new 1.9 Memory foams.

badger · 03-11-2008, 01:20 PM

My 1.9 scaler will only run RC4WD crushers regardless if others want to compete with non scale tires. You cannot beat the scale looks of the crushers and I think since they don't hook up like comp tires it makes driving the rig that much more fun.

And I agree with Rizzo on the Ace's mem-foams. Those foams made a big difference with the performance of the 1.9 crushers, most notably with side hilling where scalers are not at their best.

PinchFlat · 03-11-2008, 01:22 PM

Oh I'll have to try some of those foams. They will cut down some of the bounce to I'll bet.

Just Zach · 03-11-2008, 01:24 PM

I need some too, mine could use some extra sidehilling support

Brandon · 03-11-2008, 01:25 PM

If this was to happen you will only see a few tires out there, kinda boring I think.

FrankyRizzo · 03-11-2008, 01:26 PM

PM me an we can work something out. They cut down the bounce for sure. I just had my first batch cut and they will be out at RCP very soon. I will do a few direct for those of you guys that want them.

Just Zach · 03-11-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nluvwithxlr8ing

If this was to happen you will only see a few tires out there, kinda boring I think.

Maybe its just me but these don't look too scale to me but my bet is they would be the best performing tire there.

Brandon · 03-11-2008, 01:38 PM

I couldn't agree more with either of those points. But that doesn't mean that with a little creativity you cant make a proline tire look scale.

Here is my first attempt at turning 2.2 narrwoed dirt hawgs into 1.9's. Once I get it down they will look good and perform really well

My K2-4 K5 Blazer

Grizzly4x4 · 03-11-2008, 02:55 PM

Personally I'm torn over this:

First of all. Does your stock tire option allow people to sand down treads and cut grooves in the tread? Modifying a tire is huge to me, I don't like things to be stock, especially if I can add to the scale look or performance by modifying it. Would I be able to modify a 1.9 Rockstomper like I did my 2.2's?

I think it would be good to show support to RC4WD and other 1.9 tire manufacturers for their 1.9 tire efforts by only allowing 1.9 tires from an approved manufacturer.

On another note, if we are going to "dumb" down the tires. Why not the rest of the rig? If I build a super scale tube chassis truggy that weighs 9lbs, I certainly could easily be beat by someone running a much less scale looking lexan body and a lightweight aluminum frame. Even if the truggy has a 20 point advantge from the start. Especially now that winching is not a penalty free thing anymore.
That doesn't seem fair to me if a "barely scale" rig can beat a "fully scale" rig.
In this case a minimum weight should be considered, to level out the playing field. Just like you are proposing with the tires.

Just Zach · 03-11-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Grizzly4x4

Personally I'm torn over this:

First of all. Does your stock tire option allow people to sand down treads and cut grooves in the tread? Modifying a tire is huge to me, I don't like things to be stock, especially if I can add to the scale look or performance by modifying it. Would I be able to modify a 1.9 Rockstomper like I did my 2.2's?

I think it would be good to show support to RC4WD and other 1.9 tire manufacturers for their 1.9 tire efforts by only allowing 1.9 tires from an approved manufacturer.

On another note, if we are going to "dumb" down the tires. Why not the rest of the rig? If I build a super scale tube chassis truggy that weighs 9lbs, I certainly could easily be beat by someone running a much less scale looking lexan body and a lightweight aluminum frame. Even if the truggy has a 20 point advantge from the start. Especially now that winching is not a penalty free thing anymore.
That doesn't seem fair to me if a "barely scale" rig can beat a "fully scale" rig.
In this case a minimum weight should be considered, to level out the playing field. Just like you are proposing with the tires.

My opinion would be that sanding is no different than running a really worn tire so no. My truggy weighs probably 9 lbs and it doesn't seem to me hurting anything but weight can be a big issue too.

I think that if someone want to run a barely scale rig and wins then the heckling that they will get will more than pay back for it. Hint, hint, if your rig is barely scale then step it up a notch sucka or risk embarrassment from those that are building really cool stuff. Hell, the stuff I am bringing doesn't even compare to some that I am seeing.

Grizzly4x4 · 03-11-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by justgiveereh

My opinion would be that sanding is no different than running a really worn tire so no. My truggy weighs probably 9 lbs and it doesn't seem to me hurting anything but weight can be a big issue too.

I think that if someone want to run a barely scale rig and wins then the heckling that they will get will more than pay back for it. Hint, hint, if your rig is barely scale then step it up a notch sucka or risk embarrassment from those that are building really cool stuff. Hell, the stuff I am bringing doesn't even compare to some that I am seeing.

Sanding the tires and cutting grooves in the existing tread is ok. Check

Public ridicule and heckling, possibly even public vegetable throwing, will be allowed and strongly encouraged for those trying to "just sneak by". Check

OK, I'm good now.

Just Zach · 03-11-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Grizzly4x4

Public ridicule and heckling, possibly even public vegetable throwing, will be allowed and strongly encouraged for those trying to "just sneak by". Check

LMFOA

madhatter · 03-11-2008, 03:40 PM

I think as long as a tires ''looks'' scale or at least is with in reason it should be ok.
But I also think that there has to be some rules or limits to what is ok. Thats the whole point of a scale comp. To see how well a scale truck performs and lets face it, there is really almost no limit to what scale is anymore. I seen real trucks that look like radio controlled trucks. If you can dream it up and build it Im sure someone out there can do the same thing in a 1:1 rig.
That being said I think you almost have to set some standard to follow to make things more even.
I'm not sure if I put that the way it sounded in my head but.....

Grizzly4x4 · 03-11-2008, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madhatter

I think as long as a tires ''looks'' scale or at least is with in reason it should be ok.
But I also think that there has to be some rules or limits to what is ok. Thats the whole point of a scale comp. To see how well a scale truck performs and lets face it, there is really almost no limit to what scale is anymore. I seen real trucks that look like radio controlled trucks. If you can dream it up and build it Im sure someone out there can do the same thing in a 1:1 rig.
That being said I think you almost have to set some standard to follow to make things more even.
I'm not sure if I put that the way it sounded in my head but.....

Inside your head must resemble a spilled bowl of alphabet soup.

Just kidding, I know what yer saying. Not that long ago a scale truck was considered a Clod body on a CC-01 chassis with Tamiya 1.9 BFG's, but at a scale comp, some of these scale truggies and tube buggies that are being built would destroy a rig like that. Where does it end?

FrankyRizzo · 03-11-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Grizzly4x4

Where does it end?

Maybe we should discuss it in the rules committee. I am sure we can clear it up there.

Grizzly4x4 · 03-11-2008, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankyRizzo

Maybe we should discuss it in the rules committee. I am sure we can clear it up there.

Right, leave it to the professionals.

FrankyRizzo · 03-11-2008, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grizzly4x4

Right, leave it to the professionals.

Well Fish is our fearless leader...

madhatter · 03-11-2008, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grizzly4x4

Inside your head must resemble a spilled bowl of alphabet soup.

Some times I really wonder!

View Poll Results: Tires used at Scale Comp
Only allow stock/uncut tires	24	47.06%
Allow modified or cut tires	27	52.94%
Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll

03-11-2008, 12:55 PM	#1
Just Zach '08 2.2 National Champ Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UTRCRC Posts: 5,585	Poll on tire options This is more aimed towards 1.9 After Kaetwo, PinchFlat, and I ran stock RC4WD tires last weekend in St. George we all decided that we love them and would like to run them at the Comp. But, we also hate to be at a big disadvantage. No they don't hook up quite as well as a Proline or Losi tire but that's a huge part of the fun and they look amazing! I just want to see what you guys would think about running unmodified or uncut tires there. If I'm stepping on toes let me know and the thread will be gone. I just don't want to take these off

03-11-2008, 01:00 PM	#2
grover Rock Crawler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tumwater Posts: 910	I plan to run those RC4wd 1.9 tires uncut and unmodified on my 1.9(they are ordered) wrapping some new RC4wd beadlocks. I plan to run the losi tires uncut and unmodified on the 2.2 wrapping some sick VF assassins. I believe that Ben has the right idea by allowing the cut down 2.2 in the 1.9 class while also giving bonus deductions for the stock unmodified tires. Chad- Last edited by grover; 03-11-2008 at 01:06 PM.

03-11-2008, 01:13 PM	#3
FrankyRizzo I wanna be Dave Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vegas Posts: 7,172	I think that they should be un mod'ed but with Aces new 1.9 Memory foams.

03-11-2008, 01:20 PM	#4
badger Diggin' the new SCX10 II! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Norcal Posts: 11,402	My 1.9 scaler will only run RC4WD crushers regardless if others want to compete with non scale tires. You cannot beat the scale looks of the crushers and I think since they don't hook up like comp tires it makes driving the rig that much more fun. And I agree with Rizzo on the Ace's mem-foams. Those foams made a big difference with the performance of the 1.9 crushers, most notably with side hilling where scalers are not at their best.

03-11-2008, 01:22 PM	#5
PinchFlat Say hello to my dactylion Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: On the Boat to Whore Island Posts: 4,470	Oh I'll have to try some of those foams. They will cut down some of the bounce to I'll bet.

03-11-2008, 01:24 PM	#6
Just Zach '08 2.2 National Champ Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UTRCRC Posts: 5,585	I need some too, mine could use some extra sidehilling support

03-11-2008, 01:25 PM	#7
Brandon Im Brandon Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Colfax, CA Posts: 8,156	If this was to happen you will only see a few tires out there, kinda boring I think.

03-11-2008, 01:26 PM	#8
FrankyRizzo I wanna be Dave Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vegas Posts: 7,172	PM me an we can work something out. They cut down the bounce for sure. I just had my first batch cut and they will be out at RCP very soon. I will do a few direct for those of you guys that want them.

03-11-2008, 01:38 PM	#10
Brandon Im Brandon Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Colfax, CA Posts: 8,156	I couldn't agree more with either of those points. But that doesn't mean that with a little creativity you cant make a proline tire look scale. Here is my first attempt at turning 2.2 narrwoed dirt hawgs into 1.9's. Once I get it down they will look good and perform really well My K2-4 K5 Blazer

03-11-2008, 02:55 PM	#11
Grizzly4x4 PapaGriz Yo Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the garage building the wife a crawler Posts: 13,137	Personally I'm torn over this: First of all. Does your stock tire option allow people to sand down treads and cut grooves in the tread? Modifying a tire is huge to me, I don't like things to be stock, especially if I can add to the scale look or performance by modifying it. Would I be able to modify a 1.9 Rockstomper like I did my 2.2's? I think it would be good to show support to RC4WD and other 1.9 tire manufacturers for their 1.9 tire efforts by only allowing 1.9 tires from an approved manufacturer. On another note, if we are going to "dumb" down the tires. Why not the rest of the rig? If I build a super scale tube chassis truggy that weighs 9lbs, I certainly could easily be beat by someone running a much less scale looking lexan body and a lightweight aluminum frame. Even if the truggy has a 20 point advantge from the start. Especially now that winching is not a penalty free thing anymore. That doesn't seem fair to me if a "barely scale" rig can beat a "fully scale" rig. In this case a minimum weight should be considered, to level out the playing field. Just like you are proposing with the tires.

03-11-2008, 03:40 PM	#15
madhatter Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lethbridge Posts: 421	I think as long as a tires ''looks'' scale or at least is with in reason it should be ok. But I also think that there has to be some rules or limits to what is ok. Thats the whole point of a scale comp. To see how well a scale truck performs and lets face it, there is really almost no limit to what scale is anymore. I seen real trucks that look like radio controlled trucks. If you can dream it up and build it Im sure someone out there can do the same thing in a 1:1 rig. That being said I think you almost have to set some standard to follow to make things more even. I'm not sure if I put that the way it sounded in my head but.....

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