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Deezul 11-02-2010 04:31 AM

So no rotary?

dusty sweep 11-02-2010 07:13 AM

Hi Harley

Any idea how it would work with one of the new novak M2 dig esc's http://www.teamnovak.com/products/esc/m2/index.html

Is it programmable with it/ front, rear bias able to be setup with this single M2 dig esc. etc. etc.

Thanks for the vids thus far."thumbsup"

Harley 11-02-2010 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deezul (Post 2718705)
So no rotary?

There is a rotary at the front. Mixing is controlled with one of the DT's just like I suggest to everyone with a 4PK, it is a better setup.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dusty sweep (Post 2718835)
Hi Harley

Any idea how it would work with one of the new novak M2 dig esc's http://www.teamnovak.com/products/esc/m2/index.html

Is it programmable with it/ front, rear bias able to be setup with this single M2 dig esc. etc. etc.

Thanks for the vids thus far."thumbsup"

The M2 dig just requires a 3pos switch I believe which is no problem on this radio. It will allow you the open channel for cutting brakes still as well.

Sneed 11-02-2010 10:35 AM

This would work fine for me. I could easily get use to the feel. Plus the features wouldn't go too far over my head. It may not have the mixing abilities as the Pk, or S but it would work fine for someone to run dual Esc's and mix "thumbsup". Thanks for the videos, Josh. If futaba decides to change software, then that would be a bonus

Harley 11-02-2010 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sneed (Post 2719155)
This would work fine for me. I could easily get use to the feel. Plus the features wouldn't go too far over my head. It may not have the mixing abilities as the Pk, or S but it would work fine for someone to run dual Esc's and mix "thumbsup". Thanks for the videos, Josh. If futaba decides to change software, then that would be a bonus

It does have the same mixing abilities as the 4PK, just how you activate is different. I am glad it would work well for you. If you have questions just let me know.

jdawg53 11-02-2010 11:33 AM

In the video you say that it uses (4) "AAA" batteries......it acutally uses (4) "AA" batteries. :mrgreen:
J

Harley 11-02-2010 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdawg53 (Post 2719269)
In the video you say that it uses (4) "AAA" batteries......it acutally uses (4) "AA" batteries. :mrgreen:
J

Mah bad.... :mrgreen:

JohnRobHolmes 11-02-2010 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley0706 (Post 2709967)
I have never had problems with losing bind on a Futaba RX and had it happen countless times with the spektrum stuff. I know lots of drivers that switched for that reason alone. There is never a single thing I miss about running Spektrum ;-)

I just gotta reinforce this statement. I had all kinds of issues with my spektrum unbinding. Never once with my Futaba.


Keep up the good work Josh! Now other drivers can leech off your hard effort :mrgreen:

asw27x 11-02-2010 07:53 PM

thanks for the vids man i need one and for the price its amazing
1 question is there a way that you can run the proportional with the m2 for moas and super

TwistedCreations 11-02-2010 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SVEN (Post 2718510)
Thanks for the overview Josh! I sure hope Futaba takes your suggestions for the DT switches. I would like to use DT4 for dig, like the spektrum DX3 I am currently using. Hold one way for front dig, center 4wd, hold other way for rear dig, with the option to change bias using another DT.

x20 million "thumbsup"

If I could have DT3 or 4(i can resolder and locate if needed) as the dig and keep the bias dial where you have it now in the video, I would have to pick one up...I have just been very happy with the way my DX3 (after i rearranged my A and B buttons:mrgreen:) is set to where i just hold the button in place for dig and then release it to return to 4wd. Never did like having to press buttons twice or opposite ways to release dig, let alone having to cycle through..

You know as well as I do, every second counts on a course and if you pass up the sequence and screw up the cycle, someones going to throw a radio :lmao: but great work on the radio so far Josh and crew

Harley 11-03-2010 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asw27x (Post 2720203)
thanks for the vids man i need one and for the price its amazing
1 question is there a way that you can run the proportional with the m2 for moas and super

The M2 just uses 3 position switches so this radio will handle that without a problem. The proportional adjustment will not be the same as I demonstrated in my video, it will be as Novak demonstrates.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedCreations (Post 2720505)
x20 million "thumbsup"

If I could have DT3 or 4(i can resolder and locate if needed) as the dig and keep the bias dial where you have it now in the video, I would have to pick one up...I have just been very happy with the way my DX3 (after i rearranged my A and B buttons:mrgreen:) is set to where i just hold the button in place for dig and then release it to return to 4wd. Never did like having to press buttons twice or opposite ways to release dig, let alone having to cycle through..

You know as well as I do, every second counts on a course and if you pass up the sequence and screw up the cycle, someones going to throw a radio :lmao: but great work on the radio so far Josh and crew

You can program any DT switch individually. So as long as we get this updated you will be able to control it on any DT you want.

articzap 11-03-2010 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley0706 (Post 2720950)
The M2 just uses 3 position switches so this radio will handle that without a problem. The proportional adjustment will not be the same as I demonstrated in my video, it will be as Novak demonstrates.



You can program any DT switch individually. So as long as we get this updated you will be able to control it on any DT you want.

I hope they take care of this. I'm so swaying if I would buy this or not based on that switch alone.

Deezul 11-03-2010 02:05 PM

Maybe I am lost. Why could you not run 2 escs and a cut brake? 2channels for escs one for steering and one for the cut brake?

neilus 11-03-2010 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deezul (Post 2721555)
Maybe I am lost. Why could you not run 2 escs and a cut brake? 2channels for escs one for steering and one for the cut brake?

You can. What gave you the impression you can't?

Harley 11-03-2010 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deezul (Post 2721555)
Maybe I am lost. Why could you not run 2 escs and a cut brake? 2channels for escs one for steering and one for the cut brake?

No place in this thread says you can't. However it takes a LOT more to run dual ESC's then just enough available channels. The hesitation some people are having is how the dig methods are activated with dual ESC's.

PipeDreams 11-03-2010 06:41 PM

I'll be watching this thread! The price is much more appealing to me that's for sure!

Deezul 11-03-2010 07:40 PM

people running 2 fxr , and a novak dig confused me. I am currently wiring a punk dig but i assume i can ditch it if i get another fxr and the 4pl. I kind of want to see what goes on with the programming first as sending in radios is a pita

PipeDreams 11-04-2010 11:19 AM

Yes ditch the punk and get another FXR! I too would wait to see what happens with the programming.... If it works out I know I'll be getting one and with that price I'm sure lots of other will too! I do like the dial of the 4pk for the front to rear bias but it should be easy to get used to the button... Just seems like it would take longer to bring it back up to 100% after reducing it for a climb one click at a time... Would be sweet to replace one of the DT switches on the grip with a dial!

Harley 11-04-2010 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PipeDreams (Post 2723305)
Yes ditch the punk and get another FXR! I too would wait to see what happens with the programming.... If it works out I know I'll be getting one and with that price I'm sure lots of other will too! I do like the dial of the 4pk for the front to rear bias but it should be easy to get used to the button... Just seems like it would take longer to bring it back up to 100% after reducing it for a climb one click at a time... Would be sweet to replace one of the DT switches on the grip with a dial!

Actually most people use the buttons on the 4PK to reduce the rear. It is much easier to control, and most of the time you never reduce the rear below 70 or 80 percent so you are only a few clicks away. The dial is much harder to be percise in using.

PipeDreams 11-04-2010 05:01 PM

Cool good to know... Thanks Harley! Love learning about this MOA stuff.... Spring will be coming before we know it and thats when I'll be putting all this knowledge to use! Keep us posted on any updates for this!

dragrcr 11-07-2010 12:56 PM

Any updates on the update?

Harley 11-07-2010 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragrcr (Post 2728411)
Any updates on the update?

As soon as we know anything we will post it up.

Aussie Nerd 11-07-2010 05:40 PM

Got mine 3 minutes ago8)8)8) Opinions soon!

Kieren

Aussie Nerd 11-07-2010 06:00 PM

Harley how do you get the variable rear to work? Since there is only 2 switches to use can I use both the rear steer and the rear rate?

Thanks
Kieren

dragrcr 11-07-2010 06:09 PM

I hate you guys on the other side:flipoff:

Aussie Nerd 11-07-2010 06:13 PM

Never mind I found it I think:ror:

Kieren

Aussie Nerd 11-07-2010 06:25 PM

I found a 'hack' to get front dig on a DT, but the problem is each time you dig you also reset the rate back to 100. Simply set a D/T to ESC rate and to 100 steps. From further trials it is actually easier to use the push button than the DT 'hack'

Kieren

dragrcr 11-07-2010 06:44 PM

So you can have 2 DTs controlling the same mix?

rockn 11-07-2010 06:53 PM

I want one. Im selling my 3pm first

Aussie Nerd 11-07-2010 07:14 PM

Alright short review

Pros
-Relativity easy to set up
-Manual is quite good
-Comfort is quite good
-Receiver comes bound

Negs
-The dual esc mixing part of the manual needs to mention the DT rate function.
-Receiver wire length (I'm hoping I can coil it inside the case but I'm not betting on it)
-Receiver size, yes I know every radio I get a whinge that the receivers are too big, but after getting used to spektrum parkflyer RX everything is too big:ror:

Oh and the push button dig isn't that hard to use, I can push it twice just as quick as I could move an ordinary toggle.

All up definitely a nice radio for those that don't want to spend half their budget on a radio alone. For me it does everything a rock crawling radio should and plenty more.

Also I got mine from dinball/rcmart and their 'standard' shipping was VERY quick for shipping from HK.

Kieren

dragrcr 11-07-2010 09:27 PM

So can you use 2dt for esc bias??

Aussie Nerd 11-07-2010 09:35 PM

You can use any of DT1 through to DT4 and the scroll wheel.

Kieren

dragrcr 11-07-2010 09:49 PM

So your "hack" is using one DT set for 100% steps for dig, and another DT at 10% for bias control?

Aussie Nerd 11-07-2010 09:53 PM

Yeah but the problem is setting it too 100 it resets the percentage each time your dig. Also if you click it twice in the one direction you can get some funny things happening, I'd still recommend just clicking the push button twice.

Kieren

dragrcr 11-07-2010 09:56 PM

So you mean if you are running at say 90/100 and the dig with the DT when you get back into 4wd you will be 100/100 ?

dusty sweep 11-07-2010 10:13 PM

Pardon my ignorance. What is "dt"

Harley 11-07-2010 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dusty sweep (Post 2729473)
Pardon my ignorance. What is "dt"

The Digital Trim buttons (rocker switches) around the wheel and near the trigger.

Aussie Nerd 11-07-2010 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragrcr (Post 2729433)
So you mean if you are running at say 90/100 and the dig with the DT when you get back into 4wd you will be 100/100 ?

Correct, but if you knock the DT again you will end up with 120, which can be a mild pain.

Kieren

dragrcr 11-07-2010 11:10 PM

120? Guess I'm still missing something...

Aussie Nerd 11-07-2010 11:34 PM

120% travel on the rear throttle, sorry that wasn't very clear.

Kieren


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