Tekin or Novak

[ek9808]

Thinking about purchasing a 13.5t sensored brushless motor. Should I go with the Tekin or Novak? Or what brand would you guys recommend. I was looking to not spend a whole bunch. I know I haven't had any good luck with novak but I've been hearing good things lately. Everyone just says to stay away from the ESCs.

[bigemike]

if you are looking for motor and speedo then here
HobbyWing JS6 Sensored Brushless Combo w/ Justock 45A ESC + XERUN-21.5T 1600kv Sensored Motor for 1/10 & 1/8 RC Rock Crawler Competition (ROAR Approved)
it is a 21.5 you could go for a 17.5 if you want more speed

good 21.5 just the motor
Turnigy TrackStar 21.5T Sensored Brushless Motor 1855KV

good 17.5 motor
Turnigy TrackStar 17.5T Sensored Brushless Motor 1870KV

I am running a old novak ss 17.5 in my scx10 but any of the above stuff should serve you well

[RcBro]

Originally Posted by ek9808

Thinking about purchasing a 13.5t sensored brushless motor. Should I go with the Tekin or Novak? Or what brand would you guys recommend. I was looking to not spend a whole bunch. I know I haven't had any good luck with novak but I've been hearing good things lately. Everyone just says to stay away from the ESCs.

Tekin is the only way to fly right now IMO.

[bigemike]

actually the tekin is way dated for a scaler crawler motor.

18.5 novak is best motor for the choices given

Novak Ballistic Crawler Brushless Motors (18.5T) [NOV3618] | RC Cars & Trucks - A Main Hobbies

great deal on a couple

http://www.stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...=ns&pn=NOV3419

http://www.stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...=ns&pn=TEP1055

[RcBro]

No offense, but u just posted a thread saying u are just getting into competitive crawling... What first hand experience do u have to say one is better then other.

U also posted links to motors that most drivers won't even touch.

Everyone I know pretty much runs tekin motors when it comes to brushless. Paired with a tekin esc the performance is amazing. I base my opinion on first hand experience owning both motors and having ran the mmp, goat and tekin rs.

[ek9808]

Originally Posted by RcBro

No offense, but u just posted a thread saying u are just getting into competitive crawling... What first hand experience do u have to say one is better then other.

U also posted links to motors that most drivers won't even touch.

Everyone I know pretty much runs tekin motors when it comes to brushless. Paired with a tekin esc the performance is amazing. I base my opinion on first hand experience owning both motors and having ran the mmp, goat and tekin rs.

Exactly what I was looking for. First hand experience. Like I said I have never had any good experiences with Novak. I have, as well as many of my friends. have let the "Magic" smoke out of the esc on our drifters. I have been thinking about Tekin or Viper but have not had too much experience with those brands. I was considering Novak again, but just motors. I am definitely not purchasing a esc from them ever gain.

[bigemike]

Just because i am new to competitive crawling doesnt mean i dont have a ton of time with these motors. I have ran just about all of the motors on the market. The novak motors coupled with a tekin speedo are the bomb. The tekin motors are good, but the redline series is the oldest design out there. So please excuse my newness to this board, but my info is off of real world usage. The novak ss 18.5 is using a bigger rotor as does all the novak and trinity crawler motors. The larger rotor will give better low end torque and brakes, which is very important to crawlers. You said you have rant tekin but how many other motors have you used. I personally own trinity, novak, tekin and hobbywing motors. I own tekin, novak and mmp esc. So i do know what i am saying

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[The Violator]

Originally Posted by bigemike

actually the tekin is way dated for a scaler crawler motor.

18.5 novak is best motor for the choices given

Novak Ballistic Crawler Brushless Motors (18.5T) [NOV3618] | RC Cars & Trucks - A Main Hobbies

great deal on a couple

Novak 18.5 Crawler Brushless Motor , NOV3419

Team Epic D3 (Duo3) Brushless Motor, 21.5 turn-2,000Kv Crawler, TEP1055

This coming from the guy who is going to wire 17 ESC's together and power his home from the BEC circuits.

All novak products belong in a trash can. Even if it is brand new dropping it in the trash will save you tons of head aches and probably keep you from burning down your car, your house, and killing your entire family from the smoke that will come from using anything that has the Novak name on it. I will go as far as to say if your Tekin or Castle products have been within 6 feet of a Novak product it is suspect and could fail by osmosis.

And in case anyone wondered, I got my Electrical Engineering degree from the University of Africa, at Fro Tec. And I stayed at a Holiday Inn one time.

[TNCrawler]

Well i have ran novak for Years.....not one single problem.....period.

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[Cableman]

I have the build-a-ballistic 13.5t, ceramic bearings and 13mm rotor. I think its great in my wraith if you do just make sure its the regular 13.5t spec stator cause i believe there crawler stators only work with thier esc! I use an mmp. and will get the roc 4pole tekin motor when it come out just cause i want crazy torque

[RcBro]

The op asked about a 13.5, not a 18.5. Everyone has an opinion, everyone has a preference. Again, I base my opinion on what I've personally used and what others who have proven as winners.

This goes back to onroad, offroad and crawling. I prefer tekin, I also drive a dodge and hate salmon....

I'm a firm believer that people don't know what they are missing till they get the better setup. Until then they will swear they have the "bomb" setup. If only they could lengthen there product testing to see what else is available.

[bigemike]

Its cool, i like the tekin motkrs i am a big fan of thier stuff. I just feel the bigger rotor does give an advantage.

Also i never even powered up the novak esc that came in my truck, novak esc is junk i have had them catch fire on the bench lol. But thier motors are prefty good.

Also why is everyone hating on me about the bec thing it is a legitamate question?

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[indiana mudcat]

The bigger rotor makes the motor feel notchy and reduces speed a ton, the brushless motors already make enough torque to rip a truck apart so the benifet is IMO useless while harming to much. The extra drag is only needed with novaks sucky drag design also, MMP or RS will lock a small rotor rock solid without building a ton of heat.

The BEC deal has just been beat to death around here.

The comment about Novaks sensor board. Thier motors work with any ESC, it's thier ESC's require a "crawler" label motor. All it is is a resistor in the sensor board that tells the ESC to function as a crawler ESC instead of "sport" with no drag and double pump reverse. Nothing crawler specific or design about the motors at all. Basically just forces you to use thier motors and buy more ESC's for different uses.

[SMR 510RR]

Hands down Tekin, Novak has about a 1% following on this board because their stuff doesnt last.

[Cableman]

Originally Posted by indiana mudcat

The comment about Novaks sensor board. Thier motors work with any ESC, it's thier ESC's require a "crawler" label motor. All it is is a resistor in the sensor board that tells the ESC to function as a crawler ESC instead of "sport" with no drag and double pump reverse. Nothing crawler specific or design about the motors at all. Basically just forces you to use thier motors and buy more ESC's for different uses.

i knew there was something about it, thought it was the motor though lol

[Meatwad]

Originally Posted by bigemike

Its cool, i like the tekin motkrs i am a big fan of thier stuff. I just feel the bigger rotor does give an advantage.

You can feel all you want. 1.5mm of rotor overall, .75mm per side is not worth the choice of a good manufacturer vs. a sub par manufacturer. As was said, sensored brushless motors are already powerful enough. If you really want another league of brushless, stick with tekin and get a pro4.

[kicker]

I run a Tekin FXR w/ Tekin 35t because that's what everyone said to get

Given there is other 100,000 threads on here, i'm pretty sure the community has eventually got it right.

Therefore I'm happy to take things on face value so i don't waste my time re-inventing the wheel.

[Bananaclip]

TEKIN Motor ran off CC MMP ESC for the win!

[ik632]

I remember Novak being great back in the day (and back in the day I mean 1990-1991). What happened to them, did they just not keep up with the times?

[Charlie-III]

Originally Posted by ik632

I remember Novak being great back in the day (and back in the day I mean 1990-1991). What happened to them, did they just not keep up with the times?

It may not be the ESC, it may be the application.

For my carpet & dirt rigs, they're fine (no reverse in any of them) but in crawlers they don't seem to do well.