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03-01-2018, 02:10 PM | #61 | |
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03-02-2018, 09:50 AM | #62 |
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| Re: Tenshock RC906: yes or no ?
Here is an absolutely fabulous simulator output that an engineer has developed in conjunction with his test equipment. It is by far the best simulator I have found, and is developed for ebikes but works for any permanent magnet motor system where the system constraints are known. everything is modeled, including thermal transfer over time. Find it at Ebikes.ca in the tools section if you want to play around with it. What we are looking at is a 7 turn motor (motor A) vs a faster 5 turn motor (motor B). I have changed the constraints to have no battery or phase amp limiting to better reflect how RC car systems work, IE we are mostly constrained by system load, resistance, and inductance. As shown, the higher Kv motor produces more torque, more power, and more speed along the entire curve. Higher Kv will produce MORE torque at a certain voltage, until it reaches a saturated state, as long as the ESC is large enough to handle the current. If I "geared it down" too, it would absolutely smash the lower kv system in performance. The volt up gear down mantra I have pushed in the Ebike world as well, and it has been very well received and used. This does not reflect the issues that higher Kv motors present to sensorless commutation, but gearing down gets around that. A 20% increase in Kv would ideally be met with a 20% increase in gear reduction so that the commutation rate was also 20% higher. Higher commutation rate gives better sensorless feedback and gets out of the "dead zone" faster all else equal. Point being, with any sensorless system there will be a threshold of wheelspeed where low speed control becomes poor, but it is not because of torque loss. The fix is always more geardown or going sensored. Last edited by JohnRobHolmes; 03-02-2018 at 09:55 AM. |
03-02-2018, 01:50 PM | #63 | |
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04-22-2018, 02:18 PM | #64 | |
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Hello there John, I would like to know your opinion on my future setup.. I have Axial Bomber [Kit] with SSD 2 speed gears inside...works great with 32P gears at 64/12. now it's on 3s with 21T 550 can. I want to go with the new castle Sv4 and Tenshock 906 with 2400kv....you think it will crawl well with my setup? [crawling only on lower gear, ssd gives 2.34:1] | |
04-23-2018, 06:31 AM | #65 |
owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down!
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I don't have a bomber with the 2 speed. If your final ratio is 35:1 or more, should be fine.
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11-01-2018, 07:15 AM | #66 |
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| Re: Tenshock RC906: yes or no ?
What about 1750 tenshock with mamba max pro
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11-01-2018, 07:27 PM | #67 |
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| Re: Tenshock RC906: yes or no ?
Just an FYI the sidewinder 4 has the smoothest start if you choose sensor less. Better than the sw3 and mamba x.
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02-11-2019, 03:02 AM | #68 |
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| Re: Tenshock RC906: yes or no ?
So the sidewinder 4 is the best esc over the mamba x for this motor ?
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02-11-2019, 07:20 AM | #69 |
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| Re: Tenshock RC906: yes or no ?
Marginally, yes. If you want more flexibility the X is still great.
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02-11-2019, 01:57 PM | #70 |
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| Re: Tenshock RC906: yes or no ?
Thanks John, appreciate your input for sure |
02-17-2019, 12:51 AM | #71 |
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So since we moved our home pc is toast , now i can't program a castle system , what do you guys think of the Hobbywing bl10 60 amp or the 120 and , i could use their program box to set it up , this it just going in my trail rig , any info would be appreciated ,
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02-27-2020, 07:43 PM | #72 |
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Update , sw4 , Tenshock 1750kv in a stock TF2 , im very impressed , smooth , torque an power for days , crawling and trailing a 2200 mah last forever , looking to pickup a second ecs now |
03-26-2020, 03:53 PM | #73 |
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| Re: Tenshock RC906: yes or no ?
I have a 1250kv in a 2.2 Wraith for several years now. Nothing fancy, paired with a 120A HW ESC. Not the smoothest but durable, water resistant, and my 11 y/o out does me most days. That said I have a 2850 Slate combo, 1800 AXE (Favorite), and a SW4/1400 Revolver as well. All are very good.
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