What is the future of the USRCCA Super Class?

[Frankenwheely]

Originally Posted by JeremyH

I also think people don't want to put the practice in that it takes to learn to drive a super and drive it well. It is seriously like driving two trucks at the same time. It took me well over a year to become anywhere near proficient at driving my super.

Darn tootin' I always said drummers and helicopter pilots would make Super drivers.

[GRIMGREG]

Being involved in one of the regionals, super and 1.9 have hardly anyone signing up. The last 2 years, I don't think we had more than 5 people running either one. Maybe the new Vattera will give a resurgence on the 1.9 side, maybe not. As for the supers, they are such a niche that I don't see them having a come back. Even the popular 2.2 classes are losing popularity. I'm not sure what the answer is to revive comp crawling as a whole, but something has to happen. When Axial released the XR, it seemed to cause a boom in growth. I see (and in a lot of respects agree) a lot of complaints that any boxed kit would either be crap out of the box, or to expensive outright if made properly. However, to get new blood, they need something basic to build from. Some guy that decides they want to comp crawl, who has never touched an RC is never going to do it, because they have no clue how to, or what to start with. I know a lot of the original crawlers would be in the super class if ran now, but none of the supers I have ever seen (in the past 3 years) were anything like the original stuff. Once the majority settled on a 2.2 spec, supers began their die off, some newer people probably stepped up to super after seeing them, but I think most are happy in the 2.2 class.

[ROWDY RACING]

Supers get no love, having to build the courses and judge yourselves while everyone else is gone is sad.

[TSK]

What if supers and sportsman ran both on Sunday. The pro courses from a Saturday can be kept for sportsman, but perhaps gate direction or order can be changed up to keep it "fresh". Mini's can be run on Friday as people trickle in,

[TURBOFEST]

The future of the class is what we make it.

I think a problem with the Super class is that everyone that posts about the class always implies that one NEEEEEDS to take a second mortgage out on their house in order to build the most sofisticated crawling machine man has ever seen in order to compete in the Super class. It's ridiculous. It's as if building a rig gradually and buying better parts as you can afford them is taboo these days. NOOO...you HAVE too spend $2500 RIGHT NOW or don't bother!

The only necessary additional parts needed for a super as compared to a 2.2pro is ONE additional servo (yes, I said ONE), and some extra tires. The tires aren't rocket science to make. Anyone that can use glue and scissors can make tires. Same goes for foams. Blast wheels are what?...$15 a pair?? WHOA!! That will get you in the game at least. Where it gets taken from there is up to the individual. keep it there and compete and have fun, or build it to the moon. Either way, more supers will exist and The best class is crawling will survive.

[ROWDY RACING]

Exactly Jimmy and the ones blowing the cost or required handmade parts out of proportion usually don't know what they are talking about.


Super bullies or the MT axles are very affordable as well as blast wheels and the classifieds are full of perfectly good used 2.2 tires to cut up.

[ROWDY RACING]

And you really don't have to have 4ws (to be a contender yes, but to participate and have a good time no) I still can't effectively use it.

[EverettY]

Originally Posted by Erik D_lux

If your theory were correct on more places to drive and easy to carry, why not a micro or a 1.9? Shoot, a micro you dont even have to leave the house!

There are enough places for people to drive 2.2's... There's endless amount of different ways to build a 2.2 truck and there is a point where trucks get too small for people... plus the lines the 2.2's can pull vs micros or 1.9's is pretty sick

I'd love to build a super but I can't justify the cost of them and there aren't too many places for me to drive one...

[ROWDY RACING]

Originally Posted by EverettY

There are enough places for people to drive 2.2's... There's endless amount of different ways to build a 2.2 truck and there is a point where trucks get too small for people... plus the lines the 2.2's can pull vs micros or 1.9's is pretty sick

I thought you were a big 1.9 fan?

[GRIMGREG]

Originally Posted by TheSCorpionKing

What if supers and sportsman ran both on Sunday. The pro courses from a Saturday can be kept for sportsman, but perhaps gate direction or order can be changed up to keep it "fresh". Mini's can be run on Friday as people trickle in,

We usually run 1.9 and 2.2Pro Saturday, 2.2s and Super Sunday. As for them judging themselves, we have enough issues getting judges to do the 2.2 classes, even with a pretty sweet Judges package last year (free lunch, free ticket, entry in judges only raffle).

I don't think the cost is the factor for not going Super, at least not for me, and I'm sure I'm not alone. I think a lot of people just have no interest in it. I think they are cool, but I have no want to build one.

[EverettY]

Originally Posted by ROWDY RACING

I thought you were a big 1.9 fan?

I do love the 1.9's but what I'm saying is the lines a 2.2 can pull are way crazier than the 1.9's...

[ROWDY RACING]

Originally Posted by EverettY

I do love the 1.9's but what I'm saying is the lines a 2.2 can pull are way crazier than the 1.9's...

And the lines a super can pull are way crazier than 2.2's.

Rig vs the sickness of pulled line is relative to the size of the rig.

[EverettY]

Originally Posted by ROWDY RACING

And the lines a super can pull are way crazier than 2.2's.

Rig vs the sickness of pulled line is relative to the size of the rig.

Yeah true but like I'd said the supers cost soo much more...

[ROWDY RACING]

Originally Posted by EverettY

Yeah true but like I'd said the supers cost soo much more...

Like I said, they do NOT, that's a false stereotype.

[Rckcrwlr]

Originally Posted by TURBOFEST

The future of the class is what we make it.

I think a problem with the Super class is that everyone that posts about the class always implies that one NEEEEEDS to take a second mortgage out on their house in order to build the most sofisticated crawling machine man has ever seen in order to compete in the Super class. It's ridiculous. It's as if building a rig gradually and buying better parts as you can afford them is taboo these days. NOOO...you HAVE too spend $2500 RIGHT NOW or don't bother!

The only necessary additional parts needed for a super as compared to a 2.2pro is ONE additional servo (yes, I said ONE), and some extra tires. The tires aren't rocket science to make. Anyone that can use glue and scissors can make tires. Same goes for foams. Blast wheels are what?...$15 a pair?? WHOA!! That will get you in the game at least. Where it gets taken from there is up to the individual. keep it there and compete and have fun, or build it to the moon. Either way, more supers will exist and The best class is crawling will survive.

Originally Posted by ROWDY RACING

Exactly Jimmy and the ones blowing the cost or required handmade parts out of proportion usually don't know what they are talking about.


Super bullies or the MT axles are very affordable as well as blast wheels and the classifieds are full of perfectly good used 2.2 tires to cut up.

That is exactly what I was saying in my initial comment:

Originally Posted by Rckcrwlr

Eddie,
Its great to throw this out there...I started in this hobby with a Benderized TXT back in 2005...I have to disagree with your comment above....even though it can be a builders class...a newbie could put together a pretty competitive rig with off the shelf items (Super Bully Axles, any of the chassis from our great vendors)...after that the other items are the same as 2.2 (motors, ESC, shocks, links, radio, wheels/tires, etc)

My Turbo Charged Bully was a sick rig and I can promise you that I am not a "builder" nor did I spend a fortune.

I think the most expensive thing was the 4PKs.

This is what I had in mine...

• RC4wd Super Bully Light Weight Axle with 65:1 Gearbox
• TurboTech Super Chassis Kit
• TurboTech Bully Steering Kit
• Dual Tekin FX-R ESC
• Integy V-11 45T Motors
• Castle BEC
• ProLine Tech 5 Wheels (Narrowed to 2" wide)
• 7.25" Trenched Sedona Tires
• Crawler InNOVAtions 7.25"T x 2.25"W Super Nova Dual Stage Foam Set
• Thunderpower G6 65C 3S 1300mah Lipo Batteries
• Lundsford Ti Upper Links
• Futaba 4PKS
• Futaba R614FF 4 Channel RX

And this thing was insane...even though I couldn't drive it. I remember someone doing this...

[ROWDY RACING]

Is that at BG?

[Rckcrwlr]

Originally Posted by ROWDY RACING

Is that at BG?

Yeap...I miss that rig...

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by Rckcrwlr

Yeap...I miss that rig...

We appreciate you sending it down here.

[ROWDY RACING]

Originally Posted by Rckcrwlr

Yeap...I miss that rig...

Build another!

[Rckcrwlr]

Originally Posted by ROWDY RACING

Build another!

I would love to...but...